Forza 5/6 vs GT6 (See First Post Before Posting)

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BoneSawTX
It looks nothing like last gen.
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I'm hoping it's a case of wait until you see both games moving at 1080p/60fps rather than judging based on compressed 30fps YouTube video like that guy.

Hopefully by next year there'll be more demo machines of the next gen consoles around in stores for people to make a more informed decision and less of a leap of faith.

Dayum... tree'd by Hal.
 
Wolfe
Either way, we're moving down the path of diminishing returns in computer graphics.
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Is that the excuse now ? It seems every year I hear the same argument and yet there is plenty of room for improvement on that aspect. when I look at GT6 vs Forza 5 (i know its not fair), it easy to see.
 
Symtex
Is that the excuse now ? It seems every year I hear the same argument and yet there is plenty of room for improvement on that aspect. when I look at GT6 vs Forza 5 (i know its not fair), it easy to see.
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I think he makes a fair point. Yes, there will always be room for improvement, but don't expect to see the same kind of graphical leaps we've seen from previous gens. To this day, the biggest graphical jump I have ever seen was the first time I played GT3. There have been just a few contenders ever since, but none of them truly compare.
 
So last-gen looking...



I've taken pictures in a tunnel like that. that's how they're lit. Forzas past have never had realistic lighting in darker areas.

 
Youtube doesn't do the game justice. I play on an 55" Mid-end THX Calibrated Plasma TV (Panasonic GT) and the game looks fantastic and very smooth. the car model are absolutely incredible.
 
HAL20XX
I think he makes a fair point. Yes, there will always be room for improvement, but don't expect to see the same kind of graphical leaps we've seen from previous gens. To this day, the biggest graphical jump I have ever seen was the first time I played GT3. There have been just a few contenders ever since, but none of them truly compare.
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Don't forget the last generation required people to change to HDTVs causing an immediate leap in graphical quality. Better graphics are nice and all but it's the Drivatars and improved handling which are the biggest draw for me.
 
Well my expectations for GT6 went downhill the more and more i read about it before release, but having spend an evening on the forum now on day one of release; i'm wondering if we should change the thread title to FM4 vs GT6..

It looks like every single flaw from GT5 remains apart from the menus + in some aspects it's even worse; the graphics are darker (cockpits included) and more blurry, the framerate is dropping, the rabbit seems to slow down now in the last lap in order for you to catch up making the races even more artificial, etcetera etcetera :ill:
 
Wolfe
Either way, we're moving down the path of diminishing returns in computer graphics.
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No doubt we are getting there, while FM5 isn't the GT2 to GT3 jump it's still a nice jump. I think people are expecting graphics so good that you can't tell the difference between game and real world video. I don't see it ever getting to that point. Major jumps now will be in things like player numbers in a game, interactive surroundings way beyond BF4, 3D gaming(i don't care for) and living room interaction like kinect.
 
BoneSawTX
Then tell me what he meant by "Launch titles always look pretty previous gen"
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He probably meant that launch titles always look pretty based on the standards of the previous generation, since he was responding to someone mentioning early system titles compared to games released later on in a system's life.


Though with these arguments basically devolving into people pretending that the "other side" is the problem since both games released (such as here and here), I'm not surprised that his post was read as an attempt to denigrate Forza 5 when it just seems continuation of a discussion already occurring to me.


mister dog
Well my expectations for GT6 went downhill the more and more i read about it before release, but having spend an evening on the forum now on day one of release; i'm wondering if we should change the thread title to FM4 vs GT6.
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I think FM4 vs FM5 is the bigger kicker. GT6 is even worse than GT5 when I last played it from what I've played of it so far; or at the very least no better. Maybe when all those "placeholders" get taken care of. Eventually.
 
Tornado
Though with these arguments basically devolving into people pretending that the "other side" is the problem since both games released (such as here and here), I'm not surprised that his post was read as an attempt to denigrate Forza 5 when it just seems continuation of a discussion already occurring to me.

I think FM4 vs FM5 is the bigger kicker. GT6 is even worse than GT5 when I last played it from what I've played of it so far; or at the very least no better. Maybe when all those "placeholders" get taken care of. Eventually.
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I'm a fanboy of good racing games. I had a longer winded post but cut it to this.

There are things i like and don't like about all of them. Been playing GT since Day 1 on PS1, always thought GT was better. GT4 sound made me sad and GT5 just made me scratch my head and stopped playing it a year ago because it just wasn't fun.

Got FM4 in January and wanted to punch myself in the face for not jumping ship earlier. Got FM5 and am thrilled with it, yes it's missing a lot of stuff but not enough to kill it for me.

I have no comments on GT6, haven't played, no interest in doing so I won't be purchasing it. My comments will only be based on what I've seen about I have seen first hand. My comments are solely based on FM5 not looking FM4 last gen. Wolfe is absolutely right that we are not going to see the amazing jumps in graphics like the past 20 years, but there is still a nice difference in the details. My photomode pics even look half decent, thats mostly on the graphics of FM5.
 
BoneSawTX
I'm a fanboy of good racing games. I had a longer winded post but cut it to this.

There are things i like and don't like about all of them. Been playing GT since Day 1 on PS1, always thought GT was better. GT4 sound made me sad and GT5 just made me scratch my head and stopped playing it a year ago because it just wasn't fun.

Got FM4 in January and wanted to punch myself in the face for not jumping ship earlier.
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You are me except i jumped ship half a year earlier :cheers:
Still waiting for that Xbone to drop in price tough (and if i'm lucky maybe by then FM6 will be ready).

I do find it sad how GT is a mere shadow of it's former self nowadays...

Tornado
I think FM4 vs FM5 is the bigger kicker. GT6 is even worse than GT5 when I last played it from what I've played of it so far; or at the very least no better. Maybe when all those "placeholders" get taken care of. Eventually.
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The whole damn game is a placeholder it seems :lol:
 
mister dog
You are me except i jumped ship half a year earlier :cheers:
Still waiting for that Xbone to drop in price tough (and if i'm lucky maybe by then FM6 will be ready).

I do find it sad how GT is a mere shadow of it's former self nowadays...
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:cheers:

I pre-ordered the LCE the day it was annouced and put it on the cheapest shipping possible because i figured I'd wait a month or two before getting an Xbox one to let them work out any problems. I then went to the ALMS/WEC race at the Circuit of The Americas and had plenty of time to race around Laguna Seca at the demo they had setup. The thought of pre-ordering a system crossed my mind but i held off. The day Xbox One released I drove by a store and the line was short and my inner kid got the best of me and i picked it up. The next day I was expecting FM5 to show up until i realized i had it on snail mail. So i looked at my xbox one for a full week before it got here lol.

As for GT I feel the same, it use to be like Christmas each release and this one i haven't even looked at anything on it.
 
BoneSawTX
:cheers:

I pre-ordered the LCE the day it was annouced and put it on the cheapest shipping possible because i figured I'd wait a month or two before getting an Xbox one to let them work out any problems. I then went to the ALMS/WEC race at the Circuit of The Americas and had plenty of time to race around Laguna Seca at the demo they had setup. The thought of pre-ordering a system crossed my mind but i held off. The day Xbox One released I drove by a store and the line was short and my inner kid got the best of me and i picked it up. The next day I was expecting FM5 to show up until i realized i had it on snail mail. So i looked at my xbox one for a full week before it got here lol.

As for GT I feel the same, it use to be like Christmas each release and this one i haven't even looked at anything on it.
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I can hold off on my inner kid for now; he would have also told me today "ah what the heck, just go to the store and pick up GT6 it's only 60 bucks"... Luckily i didn't listen to that impulsive little brat :lol:
 
Zer0
A shame that they don't went a bit more far showing the light and weather changes.
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Or sound! Or customization! Or car selection (it's more than just a numbers game)!

Seriously. SlipZtream is right. You make a point (which is usually awful) and then do nothing to back it up.

UKMikey
Don't forget the last generation required people to change to HDTVs causing an immediate leap in graphical quality. Better graphics are nice and all but it's the Drivatars and improved handling which are the biggest draw for me.
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Oh, I know. I was lucky enough to have an HDTV shortly after they came out - It was a CRT HDTV if you can believe that! But a lot of what HDTV was able to do was just make things look sharper (initially). I was quick to adopt things like S-Video so it wasn't a massive update for me.
 
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I've now played my anniversary copy of GT6.
So much for improved physics. You can throw the 540hp XKRS like a ragdoll without it getting away from you, lift-off oversteer doesn't exist and power oversteer is so fleeting it's hard to capture it in photomode.

If you want to drive smooth, then it'll do that just fine, but when you get into the realms of driving dynamics, it's stone age stuff compared to Forza 5. Try to drive the S2000 like the Jag in GT6 and you'll be off the road backwards immediately.

As for those who think Forza looks last gen - and I saw one guy liken it to Forza 2 for God's sake on the GT6 forum - then they need to play both of these games themselves. Forza is leaps and bounds ahead graphically. From the detail in the cars, to the scenery, it's all in forza's favour.
 
VXR
I've now played my anniversary copy of GT6.
So much for improved physics. You can throw the 540hp XKRS like a ragdoll without it getting away from you, lift-off oversteer doesn't exist and power oversteer is so fleeting it's hard to capture it in photomode.

If you want to drive smooth, then it'll do that just fine, but when you get into the realms of driving dynamics, it's stone age stuff compared to Forza 5. Try to drive the S2000 like the Jag in GT6 and you'll be off the road backwards immediately.
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That kind of seals the deal for me. GT has always felt sterile in it's driving dynamics and it sounds like the trend continues. Certain parts of it I really like, but now that FM has captured that (such as quick turn in feel), GT doesn't leave much on the table other than its heritage.
 
UKMikey
Don't forget the last generation required people to change to HDTVs causing an immediate leap in graphical quality.
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Not exactly; only the PS4 and XBone require an HDMI plug-in.
BoneSawTX
...I think people are expecting graphics so good that you can't tell the difference between game and real world video. I don't see it ever getting to that point. Major jumps now will be in things like player numbers in a game, interactive surroundings way beyond BF4...
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I agree, at this point the thing to do with extra power is add incremental details and elements (ie. foliage, particles, number of players/AI/vehicles etc.) and focus on fleshing out these HD worlds with more interactive/physics-driven stuff to do. The wild chase to eliminate visible polygons and texture pixels (gasp! horror!) has made producing games with a "realistic" aesthetic ridiculously expensive and laborious already.

I'd be more impressed if FM5 looked like FM4, but with 32 cars on the grid, rich scenery, weather options and a 24-hour cycle for any track, and all the cars/tracks from the previous game (with inaccuracies fixed) plus more. But I guess I'm just a simple luddite who's not afraid of some nefarious pixels, polygons, or 480i. :indiff:
VXR
I've now played my anniversary copy of GT6.
So much for improved physics. You can throw the 540hp XKRS like a ragdoll without it getting away from you, lift-off oversteer doesn't exist and power oversteer is so fleeting it's hard to capture it in photomode.

If you want to drive smooth, then it'll do that just fine, but when you get into the realms of driving dynamics, it's stone age stuff compared to Forza 5. Try to drive the S2000 like the Jag in GT6 and you'll be off the road backwards immediately.
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Thanks for this; given my experience with GT games the bold bit is particularly telling. 👍 I'm still going to give the game a whirl (gotta try that moon mission), but I won't hold my breath for it being worth acquiring a PS3.
 
I actually felt a little disappointed playing GT6 because it doesn't feel as enjoyable as GT5 did after all the updates. The cars there at least held a slide properly. I'm going to try the Jag on comfort tyres instead of sports hard, but frankly, having to change to a tyre the car wouldn't wear IRL to test the dynamics says it all.
 
mister dog
Well my expectations for GT6 went downhill the more and more i read about it before release, but having spend an evening on the forum now on day one of release; i'm wondering if we should change the thread title to FM4 vs GT6..

It looks like every single flaw from GT5 remains apart from the menus + in some aspects it's even worse; the graphics are darker (cockpits included) and more blurry, the framerate is dropping, the rabbit seems to slow down now in the last lap in order for you to catch up making the races even more artificial, etcetera etcetera :ill:
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It looks like you are cherry picking forum posts, and haven't actually seen GT6.
 
mister dog
No to be honest i just joined and haven't seen or read anything about GT6 so far, i've also never played the franchise just trolling here :dopey:

On the other hand i see you cherry picking forum posts being a PD apologist and GT fanboy everywhere ;)
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Your devotion to microsoft is very cute
 

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