Forza 5 Is A Major Dissapointment, Will DLC Save It?

[Saidur_Ali]

I assure you no part of Forza 5 feels like it's on rails.

I am interested to see if they fixed the grip of cars especially in corners. Interesting seeing Inside Sim Racing Darin Gangi go from not being to complete a race without spinning to be able to do it after a game update? Anyone noticed it become easier to countersteer since updates / less spins?

 

[BoneSawTX]

I am interested to see if they fixed the grip of cars especially in corners. Interesting seeing Inside Sim Racing Darin Gangi go from not being to complete a race without spinning to be able to do it after a game update? Anyone noticed it become easier to countersteer since updates / less spins?

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[UKMikey]

Not really. Maybe it's something that only affected wheel users.

 

[UkHardcore23]

I am interested to see if they fixed the grip of cars especially in corners. Interesting seeing Inside Sim Racing Darin Gangi go from not being to complete a race without spinning to be able to do it after a game update? Anyone noticed it become easier to countersteer since updates / less spins?

Been following ISR for years and never seen Darin say he's never been able to finish a race in Forza 5 or any Forza for that matter? Got a link to this? From what i have read/seen Darin rates Forza 5 very highly im sure if he couldn't finish a race he'd be speaking out agianst it rather than rating it very highly.

Im currently level 271 and dont get the whole driving on ice?

 

[MagpieRacer]

Darins a pratt anyway. I take every single thing he says with a jar of salt.

 

[Bogie 19th]

The Forza 5 version I played last was like driving on ice, will be interesting to try latest version of it and see if they have fixed it properly or just added countersteering aids.

There is always one in the bunch.

 

[kollosson]

I'm always confused at statements like that.

I can definitely feel grip, at any speed in that game, and most of it comes into play at higher speeds. What setup did you use, and was it a stock or modified car?

No idea what the setup was in the demo or what driving aids were on/off but I didn't like it, I do remember my friend, who had the game, mentioning something about switching driving aids off to be fair...

 

[ImaRobot]

No idea what the setup was in the demo or what driving aids were on/off but I didn't like it, I do remember my friend, who had the game, mentioning something about switching driving aids off to be fair...

More likely then not, every single driver aid was most likely on, if you did not change anything. Absolutely horrible to play it that way.

 

[HAL20XX]

I played the demo of Forza 4 seeing as I completed and enjoyed Forza 3, i thought the handling was just horrible, it was like driving on ice, that's the exact term i used when describing it, at speed its like your floating over the track, no discernible feeling of grip.

You were. The demo track was Bernese Alps. Sub-zero temperatures affect grip. You just opted out of a game because it was accurate.

 

[VXR]

Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by how the cars struggle for grip on the Alps. Found it impossible to win in my starter S2000 there. Most surprising because 4 was a little bit easy, but this new game is unforgiving.

 

[kollosson]

You were. The demo track was Bernese Alps. Sub-zero temperatures affect grip. You just opted out of a game because it was accurate.

I find it a bit strange they would offer up a demo on a track that has lack of grip? bit of a strange decision?

 

[Imari]

I find it a bit strange they would offer up a demo on a track that has lack of grip? bit of a strange decision?

Why? Different tracks have different grip levels. Low is not necessarily bad, the same as having eco tyres on your car is not necessarily bad. It's just different.

And the Alps was their new fantasy track to the series, and showed off the improved graphical capabilities of FM4. It was a natural choice for the demo track. I mean, what else would you choose?

It's also a fairly good track as far as getting a feel for physics too. Fairly flowing, plenty of elevation change, nice mix of high and medium speed corners, not too complicated to find your way around. It's a nice track in anything but the slowest cars, once you adapt to the fact that you really, really need to let your tyres warm up before you go ten tenths, and even then it's greasy.

Then again, keeping an eye on your tyre temperatures isn't really news to anyone serious about simulation racing, or even racing in general.

 

[kollosson]

Why? Different tracks have different grip levels. Low is not necessarily bad, the same as having eco tyres on your car is not necessarily bad. It's just different.

And the Alps was their new fantasy track to the series, and showed off the improved graphical capabilities of FM4. It was a natural choice for the demo track. I mean, what else would you choose?

It's also a fairly good track as far as getting a feel for physics too. Fairly flowing, plenty of elevation change, nice mix of high and medium speed corners, not too complicated to find your way around. It's a nice track in anything but the slowest cars, once you adapt to the fact that you really, really need to let your tyres warm up before you go ten tenths, and even then it's greasy.

Then again, keeping an eye on your tyre temperatures isn't really news to anyone serious about simulation racing, or even racing in general.

You are missing the point, a demo is there for one purpose, to attract people to the game, if you had never played a Forza game then that Demo would not make you a fan. I understand showing off some nice terrain but at least they could have told us that the track had lack of grip due to low temperature, I would have taken that into account so when I had the feeling I was floating on ice I would have realised that, actually, I was....

 

[ImaRobot]

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You are missing the point, a demo is there for one purpose, to attract people to the game, if you had never played a Forza game then that Demo would not make you a fan. I understand showing off some nice terrain but at least they could have told us that the track had lack of grip due to low temperature, I would have taken that into account so when I had the feeling I was floating on ice I would have realised that, actually, I was....

Going off what they said, i think you are the one missing the point of the demo. It is to show off its advancement in not only its physics, but graphics and modeling as well. If someone was looking for a new sim, then that exact reason would be something that would attract potential customers. The least you could have done is taken into account that a sim, is simulating things..

 

[kollosson]

Oh, not you again, are we going to have another dispute over context, one where you keep changing your story, don't think I can be bothered suffice it to say a Demo is there to attract new customers of course but not just for the hardcore like Imari schumacher who apparently is serious because he checks his tyre temperatures lol

 

[ImaRobot]

Oh, not you again, are we going to have another dispute over context, one where you keep changing your story, don't think I can be bothered suffice it to say a Demo is there to attract new customers of course but not just for the hardcore like Imari schumacher who apparently is serious because he checks his tyre temperatures lol

Yes, me again, in the same thread. Dont get how thats such a suprise. I Didnt change any of my story, you can go re-read it again if you'd like though. All those muscles must be jogging your memory.

Of course its not for just hardcore gamers, thats why there are aids up the yinyang. Although, those things, like tire temperature, are added specifically for people with any know-how, to notice. If you are going to tune your cars, then those are things you should keep in mind, because just slapping on parts and expecting things to work, just doesnt work.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Oh, not you again,

Yes, me again,

This reminds me when the hero who's mortal enemies with the villain, the villain will go like "Ugh, not you again".

Sorry for going off topic, just wanted to share my thoughts. Continue.

 

[Bogie 19th]

You are missing the point, a demo is there for one purpose, to attract people to the game, if you had never played a Forza game then that Demo would not make you a fan. I understand showing off some nice terrain but at least they could have told us that the track had lack of grip due to low temperature, I would have taken that into account so when I had the feeling I was floating on ice I would have realised that, actually, I was....

So if it was a warm environment they should warn you that the tires might grip too much in the demo? Jesus dude....can you spin it any more, lol.

 

[kollosson]

So if it was a warm environment they should warn you that the tires might grip too much in the demo? Jesus dude....can you spin it any more, lol.

That's just a silly response, I'm just saying in my humble opinion a demo for a new racing game should not have been set in an extreme environment, you just want to get a feel for the game, you can't judge much from taking your car on an ice rink other than ice is slippy. Just think it was a strange choice that's all, no need for everyone to spit their dummy out lol

 

[Bogie 19th]

That's just a silly response, I'm just saying in my humble opinion a demo for a new racing game should not have been set in an extreme environment, you just want to get a feel for the game, you can't judge much from taking your car on an ice rink other than ice is slippy. Just think it was a strange choice that's all, no need for everyone to spit their dummy out lol

Just like we thought your response was silly. We can see you are grabbing at any possible straw just to negatively critique the game. The rest of us gamers that enjoy sim racing loved the fact that they showed us the simulation and realism they put into the demo. It prevented that whole "this game is no challenge" comment.

 

[FordGTGuy]

They basically perfected tire grip in Forza 5, the only problem with drag racing now is that the surface on the dragstrips aren't actually 'sticky' like the real thing.

 

[Imari]

You are missing the point, a demo is there for one purpose, to attract people to the game, if you had never played a Forza game then that Demo would not make you a fan. I understand showing off some nice terrain but at least they could have told us that the track had lack of grip due to low temperature, I would have taken that into account so when I had the feeling I was floating on ice I would have realised that, actually, I was....

The demo was fine.

It didn't make YOU a fan, and for a simple reason. It didn't drive like you expected, so you assumed it was a bad game.

The other option would have been to assume that it was a reasonable simulator and look for reasons why it might be driving like that. Just because you're not used to simulators that take tyre and ambient temperatures into account is no reason to write something off as a bad game.

The demo showed exactly what it was supposed to show. If you didn't like it, it's not because the demo track was poorly chosen. You probably wouldn't have liked ANY of the tracks in the game.

but not just for the hardcore like Imari schumacher who apparently is serious because he checks his tyre temperatures lol

Don't take cheap shots at me just because you can't figure out why it's so difficult to drive in the FM4 demo. It's not my fault.

I had a similar experience once (iRacing, but still) of not being able to figure out why I had so little grip. I talked with people, I learned, and now I know how to treat my tyres so I don't end up in a tree while they're cold. That experience has served me well in almost all the simulators I play, and I'm glad I had it because now I'm a better driver.

Or you could continue to blame the game. That's fine too.

 

[kollosson]

Just like we thought your response was silly. We can see you are grabbing at any possible straw just to negatively critique the game. The rest of us gamers that enjoy sim racing loved the fact that they showed us the simulation and realism they put into the demo. It prevented that whole "this game is no challenge" comment.

We? you are speaking for everyone then..are you all related ? lol , I'm not looking for any excuse to negatively critique Forza 4, i can not criticise a game i have not played, i am commenting on the demo which i thought was horrible.

 

[kollosson]

The demo was fine.

It didn't make YOU a fan, and for a simple reason. It didn't drive like you expected, so you assumed it was a bad game.

The other option would have been to assume that it was a reasonable simulator and look for reasons why it might be driving like that. Just because you're not used to simulators that take tyre and ambient temperatures into account is no reason to write something off as a bad game.

The demo showed exactly what it was supposed to show. If you didn't like it, it's not because the demo track was poorly chosen. You probably wouldn't have liked ANY of the tracks in the game.



Don't take cheap shots at me just because you can't figure out why it's so difficult to drive in the FM4 demo. It's not my fault.

I had a similar experience once (iRacing, but still) of not being able to figure out why I had so little grip. I talked with people, I learned, and now I know how to treat my tyres so I don't end up in a tree while they're cold. That experience has served me well in almost all the simulators I play, and I'm glad I had it because now I'm a better driver.

Or you could continue to blame the game. That's fine too.

Fair point, i suppose i compared the demo to GT's handling and was instantly put off, i didn't think to look at settings etc...

 

[ImaRobot]

We? you are speaking for everyone then..are you all related ? lol , I'm not looking for any excuse to negatively critique Forza 4, i can not criticise a game i have not played, i am commenting on the demo which i thought was horrible.

While your last post is somewhat humble compared to all your others, this one strikes me as odd.

In the physics department well, I think GT6 is better, does Forza have a Forza academy turning gamers into real race drivers? nope

Although you're talking about FM5, it shouldnt make a difference as you claim there is no big "Leap" from Fm4>FM5.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Been following ISR for years and never seen Darin say he's never been able to finish a race in Forza 5 or any Forza for that matter? Got a link to this? From what i have read/seen Darin rates Forza 5 very highly im sure if he couldn't finish a race he'd be speaking out agianst it rather than rating it very highly.

Im currently level 271 and dont get the whole driving on ice?

Have you seen this:

IIRC, he didn't manage to finish a race without losing control of car.

Darins a pratt anyway. I take every single thing he says with a jar of salt.

I find it interesting he said on first hour of gameplay if IIRC that he felt at one with the car but struggled to handle any tricky oversteer situations without spinning.

Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by how the cars struggle for grip on the Alps. Found it impossible to win in my starter S2000 there. Most surprising because 4 was a little bit easy, but this new game is unforgiving.

I didn't realise Forza took into account such things for tyre temperature in races. I haven't seen that to be the case yet or it must have a very small effect, I try and drive flat out straight away and notice similar behaviour on all tracks I played on first championship they make you play.

 

[UKMikey]

Have you seen this:

IIRC, he didn't manage to finish a race without losing control of car.

And yet when he tuned and upgraded the car:



Seems unfair to judge the game's handling model simply on the first hour's gameplay.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

And yet when he tuned and upgraded the car:



Seems unfair to judge the game's handling model simply on the first hour's gameplay.

He praised it IIRC in the first hour of gameplay so he seems to have judged it similarly even after having more time with it.

 

[Bogie 19th]

And yet when he tuned and upgraded the car:



Seems unfair to judge the game's handling model simply on the first hour's gameplay.

Good catch.

 

[UKMikey]

He praised it IIRC in the first hour of gameplay so he seems to have judged it similarly even after having more time with it.

Except on the handling side.