Forza Horizon 4: General Discussion

[L8 Apex]

Finally, last month we had toy Porsches on the desk, this time we have tissue paper. Which suggests this update will make fans cry, presumably of joy, hence the need to have tissues in hand.

Dare I say...Toyota's cranium has been extracted from its rectum and a deal has been reached?

Highly unlikely, I know, but a lot of the game's more "vocal" "fans" would certainly need tissues for crying (and maybe, uh, other things...) if that happened.

 

[VXR]

Oh yes, who wouldn't want that abysmal SW20 model to return that was embarrassing enough on the 360, let alone on this generation with a perfectly modelled one on GT Sport. Some things are better left dead.

 

[L8 Apex]

Oh yes, who wouldn't want that abysmal SW20 model to return that was embarrassing enough on the 360, let alone on this generation with a perfectly modelled one on GT Sport. Some things are better left dead.

Yeah, that and the Mk. 3 Supra were lousy models in terms of accuracy, but stuff like the Mk. 4 Supra, AW11, Trueno and the Lexus LFA were pretty good and would be good fits with the current FH4 roster.

Again, probably a better chance of Rolls-Royce and/or Tesla coming back, but that would definitely lead to some tissue use and be a heck of a first anniversary present.

 

[RazorSharkz]

I know this is a broken record sound, but the Huracan Performante is the most requested car currently. Tears of joy from those who requested it could be a thing

 

[warp9engage]

I know this is a broken record sound, but the Huracan Performante is the most requested car currently. Tears of joy from those who requested it could be a thing

So would be for the 488 Pista.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Omg, can you all imagine if Toyota and Lexus were to make a come back in FH4? It will certainly bring fans to tears of joy for sure (me included). Hence the box of tissue paper?

Lol! It can be anything at this point.

 

[Stang616]

I doubt they are, they have already announced exclusivity with GT.

 

[flatdarkmars]

I doubt they are, they have already announced exclusivity with GT.

I agree that it's unlikely, but when and where did they "announce" exclusivity? Link please.

 

[Populuxe]

I doubt they are, they have already announced exclusivity with GT.

They're not exclusively with GT, but with Japanese game developers.

 

[ShakesMcQueen]

Then, there's the truck, with pipes. Note how they crossed out the front of the truck. Trucks are composed of two major parts: the cab and the trailer. Without the cab we are left with a trailer carrying a bunch of tubes on top. On the internet, video streaming sites are referred to as 'tubes'. Combine the two and you have a trailer that will be shared across their media, for this update.

Maybe, I'm wrong, but I get the feeling this image might refer to the legendary moronic Senator Ted Stevens speech about the internet being "a series of tubes", in his opposition to a net neutrality bill:

"They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the Internet. And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material"

It's not a big truck, hence the truck crossed out!

 

[RazorSharkz]

Could a long fish be a Barracuda???

I have seen the McLaren Longtail suggestions but a Barracuda is also a long fish.

Also has that picture of an engine on the left always been there???

 

[strela]

I have seen the McLaren Longtail suggestions but a Barracuda is also a long fish.

Yes, it is a long fish, but why would they color it different than the body? I mean the tail.

Also has that picture of an engine on the left always been there???

Yes, that picture was always there.

 

[laserviper]

I know long shot here but could it be a fish tailing truck? probally not but hey I want the dang flatbed truck

 

[warp9engage]

Could a long fish be a Barracuda???

I have seen the McLaren Longtail suggestions but a Barracuda is also a long fish.

Also has that picture of an engine on the left always been there???

A barracuda is a long fish, period. Not a fish with a long tail.

 

[Stang616]

I agree that it's unlikely, but when and where did they "announce" exclusivity? Link please.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...usive-toyota-deal.387029/page-5#post-12838575

 

[Nielsen]

Whatever cars they are hinting at, I can only imagine they will surpass the lacklustre Porsche-themed Season 13.

 

[flatdarkmars]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...usive-toyota-deal.387029/page-5#post-12838575

"Officially, Toyota Motor Corporation has no concrete plans to license its model range to any other games besides Gran Turismo Sport at the moment."
Okay, that works. But allow me to draw a fine distinction here. It doesn't sound like Toyota has any formal contract assigning exclusive licensing rights to Gran Turismo, merely that they have no "concrete plans" to license to anyone else. I don't have any concrete plans to buy salmon for dinner tonight, but that doesn't mean I'm contractually obligated not to. Legally Toyota could choose to license their cars to Forza at any time; it would be a different matter if they had actually signed an exclusivity agreement with Polyphony Digital. But I agree there's no reason to think that they're going to change their mind at this particular moment.

EDIT: Of course, if they *did* have a formal agreement, there's no reason they'd be obligated to disclose it, so maybe they do and they just like to keep people guessing.

 

[ImaRobot]

"Officially, Toyota Motor Corporation has no concrete plans to license its model range to any other games besides Gran Turismo Sport at the moment."
Okay, that works. But allow me to draw a fine distinction here. It doesn't sound like Toyota has any formal contract assigning exclusive licensing rights to Gran Turismo, merely that they have no "concrete plans" to license to anyone else. I don't have any concrete plans to buy salmon for dinner tonight, but that doesn't mean I'm contractually obligated not to. Legally Toyota could choose to license their cars to Forza at any time; it would be a different matter if they had actually signed an exclusivity agreement with Polyphony Digital. But I agree there's no reason to think that they're going to change their mind at this particular moment.

EDIT: Of course, if they *did* have a formal agreement, there's no reason they'd be obligated to disclose it, so maybe they do and they just like to keep people guessing.

Yeah and like you said those concrete plans don’t mean much considering there is games with Toyota in it. Mainly games from Japanese companies.

 

[flatdarkmars]

Yeah and like you said those concrete plans don’t mean much considering there is games with Toyota in it. Mainly games from Japanese companies.

And of course a few Toyota race cars still appear in Forza games, so it seems that Toyota handles the licensing of their race cars separately from their road cars. And who knows what the licensing arrangements for the Arctic Trucks Toyotas are like.

In any event it seems unlikely that any new Toyotas will appear in FH4. Not impossible, though. T10 did pull off some Porsche licensing during the EA-exclusivity years. It's probably just a matter of being willing to write a large enough check. Whether it makes economic sense to do so is another question entirely.

 

[Stang616]

And of course a few Toyota race cars still appear in Forza games, so it seems that Toyota handles the licensing of their race cars separately from their road cars. And who knows what the licensing arrangements for the Arctic Trucks Toyotas are like.

In any event it seems unlikely that any new Toyotas will appear in FH4. Not impossible, though. T10 did pull off some Porsche licensing during the EA-exclusivity years. It's probably just a matter of being willing to write a large enough check. Whether it makes economic sense to do so is another question entirely.

The Arctic Trucks are licensed through Arctic Trucks and not Toyota. T10 sub-licensed Porsche from EA during that period. It seems like either Toyota and/or Sony are unwilling to do the same in this case.

 

[ImaRobot]

And of course a few Toyota race cars still appear in Forza games, so it seems that Toyota handles the licensing of their race cars separately from their road cars. And who knows what the licensing arrangements for the Arctic Trucks Toyotas are like.

In any event it seems unlikely that any new Toyotas will appear in FH4. Not impossible, though. T10 did pull off some Porsche licensing during the EA-exclusivity years. It's probably just a matter of being willing to write a large enough check. Whether it makes economic sense to do so is another question entirely.

Toyota race cars or non-production vehicles were never an issue. It was specifically production vehicles.

 

[RazorSharkz]

And of course a few Toyota race cars still appear in Forza games, so it seems that Toyota handles the licensing of their race cars separately from their road cars. And who knows what the licensing arrangements for the Arctic Trucks Toyotas are like.

In any event it seems unlikely that any new Toyotas will appear in FH4. Not impossible, though. T10 did pull off some Porsche licensing during the EA-exclusivity years. It's probably just a matter of being willing to write a large enough check. Whether it makes economic sense to do so is another question entirely.

The Toyotas we have are all either privateers or Nascar. No factory Toyotas

 

[flatdarkmars]

The Toyotas we have are all either privateers or Nascar. No factory Toyotas

Sure, but anything with the Toyota name or badge on it will require Toyota corporate approval, either directly, or by delegation. Toyota could, for instance, delegate to Joe Gibbs Racing the right to license their NASCAR cars to appear in various media. I don't think anyone outside of the actual automotive companies and game developers knows the exact license terms, as they aren't commonly disclosed to the public. But on some level, at some time, Toyota has decided that they're okay with having their race cars and certain modified cars (Arctic Trucks) more widely available for licensing than their road cars.

That's their choice to make, but it seems short-sighted from a PR and marketing perspective. To generalize very broadly, luxury cars and sports cars (like the new Supra) tend to be bought by middle-aged (and older) men, because that's who can afford to buy them. But perceptions of brand and model desirability are often formed much earlier. The old man who buys a sports car typically wants to buy the car that he had a poster of on his bedroom wall when he was a kid. Or at least its current-model-year equivalent. Video games are a major part of how today's youth form their impressions of car brands. Twenty or thirty years from now, fewer old men will choose to buy Toyotas and Lexuses because they didn't grow up thinking the Supra was a cool car in their favorite video games.

Well, now that I'm way out here on a tangent, let me bring this back to the subject of Forza Horizon by saying that Toyota's shortsightedness on this matter probably makes it sadly less likely that we'll see a Forza Horizon game set in Japan any time soon. Japan without Toyotas would just seem wrong.

 

[laserviper]

Since Porsche is a large focus right now could the long tail be the 935 "Moby Dick:" As for Toyota their loss as far as I am concerned nonthing in their current line up is super needed. The new supra is a Z4 in drag and the 86 and brz are not that different. Toyota don't want to play nice means we can drive other models than the mid 90's and early 2000 toyos everyone is nuts about. I would just love some more lower teir cars in the game, I know everyone wants the newest hyper exotic but come on some catagories are so empty look at modern rally I think it is just Subaru Mitsubishi and a lone focus

 

[WanganDream]

Since Porsche is a large focus right now could the long tail be the 935 "Moby Dick:" As for Toyota their loss as far as I am concerned nonthing in their current line up is super needed. The new supra is a Z4 in drag and the 86 and brz are not that different. Toyota don't want to play nice means we can drive other models than the mid 90's and early 2000 toyos everyone is nuts about. I would just love some more lower teir cars in the game, I know everyone wants the newest hyper exotic but come on some catagories are so empty look at modern rally I think it is just Subaru Mitsubishi and a lone focus

You probably know it, but Moby Dick is a whale. It ’s not a fish.

 

[inCloud]

And of course a few Toyota race cars still appear in Forza games, so it seems that Toyota handles the licensing of their race cars separately from their road cars.

Toyota and Toyota Motorsport arent the same thing

 

[flatdarkmars]

Toyota and Toyota Motorsport arent the same thing

Well sure, but the latter is a fully owned and controlled subsidiary of the former. It makes sense, though, that the corporate mothership might let its motorsports arm handle its own licensing arrangements. But it does so only as long as the parent corporation allows it.

 

[HopAlong]

Well sure, but the latter is a fully owned and controlled subsidiary of the former. It makes sense, though, that the corporate mothership might let its motorsports arm handle its own licensing arrangements. But it does so only as long as the parent corporation allows it.

A lot of race series (not all) require you make the cars available for games, merchandise, advertising etc. as part of the series regulations manufacturers agree to when they enter. That's why we see them in NASCAR and WRC games. There would be fairly big repercussions if they were to break the terms for being in the series.

Could the fish clue not just be a literal red herring?

 

[Milouse]

Spring Shop:

 

[Nielsen]

That Alfa Romeo is a model I don't already own, so spending 575 FP is going to be a no brainer for me.