Forza Horizon 5: General Discussion

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I love the two MGs we got this season, but that little MG3... Just seeing and driving it, I'm kinda hoping T10 goes back to that one format where you've started in those little city (or hot hatch) vehicles and work your way up through the career from Forza's past. That'd be so cool to have again in FM Rebooted. :)
 
I'm kinda hoping T10 goes back to that one format where you've started in those little city (or hot hatch) vehicles and work your way up through the career from Forza's past. That'd be so cool to have again in FM Rebooted. :)
Agree! Well I’ll be able to experience that exact thing in GT7 from next week on as well. I was surprised how many people look forward to starting with 20K credits and nothing else to buy than a crappy car from the second hand market and work your way up in career. Indeed I hope Turn 10 and PGG take notice!!! I got all cars in FH5 in like a week or so, that’s so wrong! Progression and economy don’t exist in the game. I hope they set things straight with FM, FM8 or whatever they plan to name it.
 
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I have no clue how a MG XPower SV-R is supposed to sound IRL (and I don’t care to look it up), but the car sounds great in FH5! 👌 This is what I imagine a sport exhaust car would sound.

Normally I would insert a screenshot of the car in here but I don’t feel about taking a screenshot atm. 😄

The MG3 sounds pretty nice as well when accelerating and shifting through the low gears, but rather dull and monotone when at cruising speed.

Two good cars this week if you ask me, even though they won‘t immediately be a favourite of mine. But I love seeing the lesser popular brands see some love. And in that contex, please bring back the older MG’s from FH4 as well as the Opel GT and Kadett from FH3. 🙏😇
 
I took @breyzipp's suggestion and bought the Series S. Here it is in the very dirty trunk of my PT Cruiser.
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I took @breyzipp's suggestion and bought the Series S. Here it is in the very dirty trunk of my PT Cruiser.
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Excellent choice! 👌 Now go enjoy those high fidelity detail graphics in FH5! 😎

Ooh and @Populuxe since your initial plan was to go with a previous gen Xbox and then get the Series X at some point. I think you’re now in an excellent position to go with one of the following choices :

* recommended option : stick with the Series S for now, skip the Series X but wait for a mid gen refresh (like a Series X Pro or whatever they will call it). I’m doing the same on the PlayStation side, I have a PS4 Pro, I play GT7 and Horizon Forbidden West on that. Sure it’s not the best I can experience these games but it’s good enough, especially since I already have a PS4 Pro. But even if that would be a base PS4 I think I would still do the same. In a couple of years I’ll probably get a PS5 Pro + PSVR2. No interest in a PS5 now even if it would be available for sale.

* option 2 : if you’r eager to jump to the series X at some point anyway (that series S Pro can still be many years away), you can do so and sell the series S

* option 3 : same as option 2 but keep the series S. It’s light and portable, can even be taken on trips and travels if you can connect a small screen to it. Or heck, if you stay on a hotel room and have a TV with HDMI in, you’re set. :)

I think the choice to stick with the series S or eventually go to a series X also heavily depends on which games you play. For FH5, the series S is just fine IMO. But for Cyberpunk 2077, judging from the Digital Foundry review, the series S gets a shaft for the frame rate there (no 60 fps option yet, but the devs would look into it again because of the backlash). It highly depends on how well a game engine is optimised or how demanding it is for the console. Most of the “X|S Optimised” games on the market are at the core last gen games anyway (including FH5) and for these games in most cases a series S is just fine.

The coming years more true next gen (or should I say current gen now :P) games will come out, that is when your other choices to buy a console right now would fall short (OG Xbox One or even Xbox One X since they won‘t even be supported anymore then). But the series S still will be supported. And it’s a popular console that sells very well so I expect it to run future Microsoft first party titles pretty decent (FM8, FH6, …). So IMO just stick with the series S as long as you can until at some point you feel “ok I really need something better now”. And I hope by that time a Series X Pro or something will be out.
 
Most of the “X|S Optimised” games on the market are at the core last gen games anyway (including FH5) and for these games in most cases a series S is just fine.
A quick tip: An external hard drive is your best friend. Optimized games must go into the internal SSD, but many others that exist between generations (The Halo MCC, for example) will run just fine from a regular hard drive.
 
Agree! Well I’ll be able to experience that exact thing in GT7 from next week on as well. I was surprised how many people look forward to starting with 20K credits and nothing else to buy than a crappy car from the second hand market and work your way up in career.
Look, I'm sure you will have tons of fun with GT7. I have no doubt it is going to be a fantastic game. But I'm still curious.
What is the point of starting with a cheap car when you can enter the very first race in any car?
Where is this sense of progression when you need to acquire a licence that rewards you with a much better car?
What is the point of buying a used car when the first championship rewards you with a brand new car?
And not last. Those that want to support PD probably preordered the best edition and will start with 4 cars and 1.6M credits if I'm not mistaken. Better than FH5 sure, but still far from perfect.
In my experience games that focus on progression have many problems. My biggest problem is the low payout from early races. Those races became obsolete the moment you unlock a better ones. And another one is that usually you are stuck with the starter car for a few hours at best.
My opinion is that a good progression need a good career mode. Without it is pointless to start with a cheap car.
 
A quick tip: An external hard drive is your best friend. Optimized games must go into the internal SSD, but many others that exist between generations (The Halo MCC, for example) will run just fine from a regular hard drive.
I do that. ☺️ I even have 3 types of storage for my XSX:
1) Internal SSD (800 GB NVMe SSD drive)
2) External Samsung T2 (500 GB SSD drive from several years ago)
3) External Seagate Xbox Game Drive (8 TB HDD)

Number 3 is just my storage drive. My entire library fits in there. But I never play games from it, I only use it for storage but keep those games updated. I could also just delete and redownload those games that I play and don’t need this drive (I even have fast fiber internet) but I just prefer to have it all local as well, besides this way I notice when there are updates available for the games stored there.

Drive number 2 is where I play all non-X|S optimised games from. But there are some games that have the X|S optimised logo that play from this drive as well, for example I have Halo MCC and AC Odyssey on there now. Also Wreckfest (which oddly doesn’t show the X|S logo). In general for games which are a bit older I always try first if I can run them from here. When I want to transfer a game from drive 3 to 2 you get a warning that they can’t be played from here, in that case they go to drive 1

And drive 1 is where i play the games from that really need the speed of the internal drive, or if I play an older game tons of times then I would just drop it here as well. I thought I might have gotten away with moving GRID Legends from drive 1 to drive 2 but nope, I get a notification it needs to be played from drive 1.

I also considered buying that Seagate external NVMe drive for the Series X|S but that thing is way too expensive for what it’s worth IMO. Perhaps in the future when prices for it drop, games are bigger in size and they all need to be on NVMe to be played I might get one. But for now I’m doing just fine with my transferring games back and forth. Realistically I play about 6 games simultaneously and they all fit even on drive 1.
Look, I'm sure you will have tons of fun with GT7. I have no doubt it is going to be a fantastic game. But I'm still curious.
What is the point of starting with a cheap car when you can enter the very first race in any car?
Where is this sense of progression when you need to acquire a licence that rewards you with a much better car?
What is the point of buying a used car when the first championship rewards you with a brand new car?
And not last. Those that want to support PD probably preordered the best edition and will start with 4 cars and 1.6M credits if I'm not mistaken. Better than FH5 sure, but still far from perfect.
In my experience games that focus on progression have many problems. My biggest problem is the low payout from early races. Those races became obsolete the moment you unlock a better ones. And another one is that usually you are stuck with the starter car for a few hours at best.
My opinion is that a good progression need a good career mode. Without it is pointless to start with a cheap car.
Each to their own I guess. There are 2 games in my memory where I absolutely enjoyed the career mode :

* Project CARS 1 - the game has an annual racing calendar where you could just sign up (or pass) for different championships that happened in that year. There were no credits to get, no cars to unlock, you just drove a particular car for a particular team in your chosen championship. Next to the championships were also invitational events. Really fun system if you ask me, also seeing the days in the calendar progress, that was some good stuff.

* Gran Turismo 5 - this was the first game in the series for me. Actually after Motorstorm even my first (proper) racing game on any console (and my first track racer). I have great memories of doing the first few races in a crappy car, even having to grind those first races in that car a little bit to save up enough money to buy a car eligible for the next few races. PD typically has you do some races in FF cars, then in FR, then in JDM cars before 1999, then a Turbo, then a Boxer engine, then 4WD etc. I absolutely enjoy that system: not having many credits or cars and carefully planning ahead what car to buy (or to upgrade an existing one).
You are correct I will start out with 1.6M credits and some extra cars, but I will absolutely ignore those until I am done with the career. There will be reward cars along the way of career (or these menu books from the GT Cafe) but that’s fine, as long as it’s not exaggerated as in FH5 (I win a hypercar from a wheelspin there every time I sneeze my nose). As far as the GT license tests (and circuit experiences) go, I actually really like these.

But those are the 2 types of career modes in racing games that I like. FM8 would fit in the GT7 system just fine if it would not throw so many cars and credits at you. The GRID series also fit in that system.

There are 2 types of career modes that I don’t like :
  • FH5 - do ANY event in ANY car. They want to give us all the flexibility, but in the end it’s dull and boring IMO and ends up in a chase of completing icons on the map. I think FH3 was the last game that required you to do each championship in a certain car division? That was way more fun.
  • Assetto Corsa - I only played a little of of this but the career here felt very lacklustre, it was more a bunch of challenges grouped together.
 
I'm looking forward to the expansion, but I'm also worried.
Like Fortune Island and Lego expansions, they will probably make many or all of the cars in the expansions exclusive and unavailable for purchase at auto shows again.
This is a problem, but another problem is that they have made these "one time only" cars unavailable for auction.

Of course, it makes sense to take this measure.
There will be no more players who accidentally sell their cars and lose their achievements.

However, these changes are the worst for players like me, who like to own and enjoy multiple favorite models.
Unlike the cars offered in the playlist, this is really a one-time opportunity.
I hope they at least make those cars available again as prizes in the expansion version playlist.
 
FH5 - do ANY event in ANY car. They want to give us all the flexibility, but in the end it’s dull and boring IMO and ends up in a chase of completing icons on the map. I think FH3 was the last game that required you to do each championship in a certain car division? That was way more fun.
I on the other hand like this system the most. I can buy a Honda Prelude and make a build for each type of event. I can make a RWD drif car or a 4WD rally car. Or just drive it around stock. And I also love driving around to each event rather than doing the same thing from menus. Even after free teleport I still drive to each event most of the time.
And no, FH2 was the last one that requires you to use certainly type of car. In FH3 you could race everything. The only difference was that instead of 60+ championships that requires certain type of car you now have 60+ location where to do races. Maybe they removed the championship feature because some found it too much of a grind?
Anyway I like they maintain this freedom of choice. I would love some progression too, but I can't see how both could work together. However I would really like to have my own choice when building up my garage. I'm fine with unlocking cars doing certain task. The wheelspins are my main issue. Because of them I bought only a third of the entire car list. So I want to get rid of them. But than I see that the value of all the cars is 520M Cr and then I have also 30M of car parts. With my VIP I'm getting 20-25k for a sprint race. That is 20000+ races, way too much. So the spins need to stay... They just need to nerf them even more... No, wait.

@Ismet. What is that?
 
Big fat fake.

The ‘Puerto Rico‘ photo is from the Mexico map, and the Hot Wheels photo is clearly from FH3. The fonts used aren‘t what are used in FH5 either, and both the Nightfall and Ventura logos look very poor. It also looks like it has been taken and photoshopped from a Lets Go livestream,
looking at the gamer tag.
Also Nightfall and Ventura are supposed to be internal codenames for the expansions, so i doubt that would actually be their names.

Also both campaign and expansions tabs are highlighted, proving its a photoshop.
 
Big fat fake.

The ‘Puerto Rico‘ photo is from the Mexico map, and the Hot Wheels photo is clearly from FH3. The fonts used aren‘t what are used in FH5 either, and both the Nightfall and Ventura logos look very poor. It also looks like it has been taken and photoshopped from a Lets Go livestream,
looking at the gamer tag.
On top of that the Nightfall picture looks like its from NFS, but I could be wrong.
 
This weeks Treasure Hunt worked thankfully, I finished everything in the festival playlist very quickly this time, it cant have taken more than 2 hours.

I was Disappointed that the MG XPOWER SVR didn't have that Infamous factory NOS kit option that Clarkson went on and on about when the car came out.:lol:

I enjoyed fitting the Motorcycle engine to the MG3 and buzzing about Guanajuato though.
 
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Cheeky request please everyone. Could you please if possible all help me out. Next time your on FH5 any chance you could download and like my photos, tunes, designs etc.
Any little would help me on the accolade front, l will of course return the favour if you let me know it was you.
My FH5 gamer tag is Edax 76
Thank you.
 
Cheeky request please everyone. Could you please if possible all help me out. Next time your on FH5 any chance you could download and like my photos, tunes, designs etc.
Any little would help me on the accolade front, l will of course return the favour if you let me know it was you.
My FH5 gamer tag is Edax 76
Thank you.
If you have some specific ones in mind, slap them into the Share Your Creations pinned thread. I've not updated it in a little while as I've been just getting slaughtered by the continuous stream of GT news, but I'll get back onto it :lol:
 
If you have some specific ones in mind, slap them into the Share Your Creations pinned thread. I've not updated it in a little while as I've been just getting slaughtered by the continuous stream of GT news, but I'll get back onto it :lol:
To be honest I don't, any will do. I will post some up though next time I'm in game to grab the share codes.
Thank you.
 
FH5 downloaded just in time for me to log in and do a few quick things before going to work. Things like download the last two cars in the car pass, discover the 2012 Porsche 911 RSR GT4 is non-existent in the auction house, and do the Trial. So far I'm not seeing a huge improvement in graphics between my old XB1 and the Series S, but that's only because I'm still using a 1080p TV. Upgrading to a 4K TV is going to have to wait a little bit while I take care of some other financial obligations, but it will happen. Hopefully this year. The real improvement is in the loading times. The Series S is lightning fast compared to my old faithful XB1.
 
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Agree! Well I’ll be able to experience that exact thing in GT7 from next week on as well. I was surprised how many people look forward to starting with 20K credits and nothing else to buy than a crappy car from the second hand market and work your way up in career. Indeed I hope Turn 10 and PGG take notice!!! I got all cars in FH5 in like a week or so, that’s so wrong! Progression and economy don’t exist in the game. I hope they set things straight with FM, FM8 or whatever they plan to name it.
I liked the gift system. I gift every car I get from wheelspins (and if I get cash, I buy a car worth that much to gift), except for every 10 levels. On the 50th level I spun it three times (It was supposed to be a Super Wheelspin, but they removed it from the Porsche mastery just a bit before I reached lvl50). On FH4, I started from scratch to play like this (but on a different account, to not lose my previous progress and hundreds of non-Autoshow cars), but there I have to sell the cars on the cheapest price and not collect the credits (I could just get rid of them, but I want to be nice and help others get them cheap).

I also got rid of the three starting cars, plus the Hoonigan Escort we get from the first Showcase. And any car won from accolades that are purchasable from the Autoshow, that I feel are too easy to earn. I have a document with a big text with all the rules, but I decided to not post it anywhere as I thought it was a bit too long and convoluted. Plus, I started typing it on reddit on my phone, then saved it on Word on my phone, but all spaces disappeared, so I have to go though all of it to re-add them.

EDIT: I just used cars I got from wheelspins and gifts from other players for Forzathon points from mastery trees, since otherwise having few cars make it hard to get them, as many challenges ask for very specific cars. I also took it as a "test drive" opportunity, as if it was a feature from the game. IMO this should be how it worked, you don't get as many cars, but have many opportunities to drive different cars, like rentals and test drives, Test Drive Unlimited-style, and events that appear from time to time with random cars they give you to use on it. They only sorta do it with some seasonal stuff, like Showcase remixes, but once they drop it to focus on teh next game, it's over.
 
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Big fat fake.

The ‘Puerto Rico‘ photo is from the Mexico map, and the Hot Wheels photo is clearly from FH3. The fonts used aren‘t what are used in FH5 either, and both the Nightfall and Ventura logos look very poor. It also looks like it has been taken and photoshopped from a Lets Go livestream,
looking at the gamer tag.
Additionally, the "Reyes City" looks like LA skyline.
 
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"FH5 - do ANY event in ANY car. They want to give us all the flexibility, but in the end it’s dull and boring IMO and ends up in a chase of completing icons on the map. I think FH3 was the last game that required you to do each championship in a certain car division? That was way more fun"


Agree. And that`s just the tip of the iceberg; there should be tire-restrictions & non-AWD races. But what do we have?
A childish chaotic playground..:yuck:
 
Agree. And that`s just the tip of the iceberg; there should be tire-restrictions & non-AWD races. But what do we have?
A childish chaotic playground..:yuck:
You could always make your own blueprint events? That's what I enjoy doing in FH5 (and AC, with it's custom races).

Personally I will stop buying FH games if they ever become the kind of grindfest FH2 was.
 
You could always make your own blueprint events? That's what I enjoy doing in FH5 (and AC, with it's custom races).

Personally I will stop buying FH games if they ever become the kind of grindfest FH2 was.
I have the same feeling from FH2. I don't see a point in being forced to use certain cars class while doing same races I did in a different car class when I can simply make a blueprint event.
 
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