Forza Motorsport 3 Ultimate Collection

[LaBounti]

So the Ultimate collection has 7 new cars on disc that wont be available plus a code to download the SLS, LF-A and CCX(pretty sure this car was around in 2008)? Surely at some point they will charge $5-10 for the bonus cars. I mean they wanted to keep it a secret about the availability of the overpriced V.I.P. pack and disguise it as support for Haiti... So I kept my points after they mentioned Haiti.. Haiti's been out of the news well before Wyclef got denied and its still $10.

 

[ghsnu]

Just read the news for it.

I already bought the game, but my retardbox 360 decided to scratch it, so gave it to my friend and bought the limited edition (whoo, already $140 spent).

Then bought all the DLC (about another $30+) while waiting for the last car pack (to "be released in summer").

Now they want another $20+ outa me and other people who did the same/almost the same thing as I did for 10 other cars that were meant to be released in DLC.

Screw Forza. GT is now my most favored racing series. All Turn 10 does is push more and more games and DLC out (hmmm, like Activision with MW2).

I wish I could get something in return...but it ain't gonna happen.

Now I'm an official GT fanboy .

 

[A Name]

I'm wondering if the saves from Forza 3 will work on this ultimate collection, what with it apparently being a different pressing with all the DLCs on the disc.

Starting over from the top for three new cars is mighty annoying.

 

[Eric.]

They may include all that data on a second disc like they had the extra tracks and stuff there were to be installed from the second disc in the original version.

 

[cuco33]

I'm a huge GT and Forza fan but I'm not a big fan of games in general being re-released with all the content not too much later on for much cheaper. Early buyers feel jipped with the only real pro being they played the game/DLC earlier. It has it's advantages and disadvantages I guess. I do buy a lot of games used much later simply because I'm multiplat and have backlogs of games. T10's Forza 3 isn't the first title to do this though... Forza 2 did it, just as RE5 gold edition, Gears of War, Fallout 3 and soon to come Uncharted 2 (and a lot of other games too.) It gets late bloomers in the door and funds go to the developer rather than some GameStop company.

As an LE day 1 FM3 buyer who's purchased every DLC except 2, also day 1 FM2 buyer who's purchased every DLC, also (post launch) FM1 buyer... I don't mind too much this direction. In a way it was expected after FM2... I did expect a bit more out of being a VIP with the LE purchase though. I don't think it's been made official yet but I'm not a fan of having cars apparently not available unless you purchase this Ultimate pack. I'm still waiting for the Jalopnik pack as is!

Got to love the fanboy trolling in this thread though....

 

[The_Paladin]

im starting to hate MS, because im pretty sure this whole thing is their fault, pressing for quick release date, im sure its their fault too. Both Jube and Brian were very communicative and now they are way more silent, my guess is MS draw a line in the ground and told them they cant talk lots of things.

About Goty editions, i love them, i prefer having all these things in a disc because years later im sure the will plug the xbox 360 too and i wont be able to redownload the DLC, plus i can just install it in as many consoles i want without transfering issues.

I already know that some games are going to get goty editions and im paying to play the DLC avaible before others, so i dont mind that those who waited get sweet deals, im not an envy person. Plus it happens with the hardware, the cars, etc . Those who way normally pay less.

What i dont like and i dont agree with is this and super street fighter 4 type of goty, the ones that left you without the contents unless you rebuy the game, im expecting that Turn10 and/or MS comes to their senses and release this as other DLCs.

By the way, im not excusing Turn10 but even Polyphony has give you a few of this from time to time, with the whole GT4 movile for PSP that was showed like a very advanced stage product and end up been vaporware until Sony needed to sell another model of PSP, then was quick striped port.
GT4 online which was cutted little time before the release and then promissed as an addon, we only end up with a lame beta for asia, finally the whole standard cars.
Now we are all waiting for GT5 as it seems a great game, i hope Turn10 release a great game too and left behind the whole lack of lobbies, PI problems and the jalopnik thing behind too.

 

[Zlimness]

im starting to hate MS, because im pretty sure this whole thing is their fault, pressing for quick release date, im sure its their fault too. Both Jube and Brian were very communicative and now they are way more silent, my guess is MS draw a line in the ground and told them they cant talk lots of things.

About Goty editions, i love them, i prefer having all these things in a disc because years later im sure the will plug the xbox 360 too and i wont be able to redownload the DLC, plus i can just install it in as many consoles i want without transfering issues.

I already now that some games are going to get goty editions and im paying to play the DLC avaible before others, so i dont mind that those who waited get sweet deals, im not an envy person. Plus it happens with the hardware, the cars, etc . Those who way normally pay less.

What i dont like and i dont agree with is this and super street fighter 4 type of goty, the ones that left you without the contents unless you rebuy the game, im expecting that Turn10 and/or MS comes to their senses and release this as other DLCs.

By the way, im not excusing Turn10 but even Polyphony has give you a few of this from time to time, with the whole GT4 movile for PSP that was showed like a very stage advances product and end up been vaporware until Sony needed to sell another model of PSP, then was quick ported and stripped.
GT4 online which was cutted and then promissed as an addon and we only end up with a lame beta for asia, finally the whole standard cars.
Now we are all waiting for GT5 as it seems a great game, i hope Turn10 release a great game too and left behind the whole lack of lobbies, PI problems and the jalopnik thing behind too.

Yeah, that's the thing. The people at T10 are working hard and I have huge respect for them. We know that Microsoft wanted a solid release date for Forza 3, regardless of it's state of completion it seems. They didn't even have time to put in the gear shift animation, since it was added with a patch a month later. They've built something great and finally given GT some competition. But way MS are handling all this, is just proof that they don't understand creative work and should let the developers do their thing and then milk the franchise any way they can.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Pretty much T10 is just pissing on their remaining loyal fanbase by not releasing those 10 cars in the marketplace to download.

They said that about the VIP pack too, and it was on the marketplace shortly after. They will probably make these available as well.

I'm wondering if the saves from Forza 3 will work on this ultimate collection, what with it apparently being a different pressing with all the DLCs on the disc.

Starting over from the top for three new cars is mighty annoying.

Game saves will work with it, yes.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

Simple solution? through in the 10 "regular" cars, top gear pack for "free" to the VIP members. i mean why not? VIP members are entitled to receive DLC pack cars for free.

Bogie, more power to you for defending your game, But, Turn 10 is doing there fan base dirty, There not even commenting on the people leaving all these comments, They just delete them, sad. I bet if che was still the CM he would help them, but he quit..

 

[Bogie 19th]

I guess they finally realized turn 10 does not give a damn about them, just there pockets. it is Microsoft after all.

Hopefully it doesn't take long for fans to realize that Microsoft and Sony are in it for the money, so it should come as no surprise.

 

[VXR]

There would have to be a download of some kind so the exclusive cars don't appear as the black Bora online, so why offer it free when they know existing users will pay money for the DLC?

And the first FM3 disc is full, so all of the DLC will be on disc two and therefore the saves won't be different.

One thing I don't get is the people who are complaining about being gipped. They've played the game for a whole year and got countless hours from the game. If I worked out the cost of what I spent on this game and the hours put in, then it will easily work out than less than a £1 per hour. I've had my money's worth and if people don't see the price/hour argument, then they're either spoilt or willfully ignorant. It's the same as the VIP nonsense. You can't collect 'status', but the trinkets in the fancy box are the collectibles and VIP DLC users don't get them, do they.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Not to mention all the gifted cars that VIPs received that standard users didn't receive.

 

[VXR]

I live in the UK, so I had the luck to get the LCE copy of FM2. I certainly don't mind that people could buy the Greatest Hits edition of that game in the States and finally get that game's three LCE cars. If that sort of thing worries you, then you must live an easy life.

 

[Jay]

I bet if che was still the CM he would help them, but he quit..

He didn't quit he got transfered to the new Halo team, plus I wouldn't trust his word anyway he made quite a few white lies (if you can call them that).

 

[daus26]

Looks like T10 just gave a big middle finger to those wanting the full Classic Car pack. Only 4 will be available. And the "Partnership" with Top Gear REALLY seems like MS paid the BBC a lot of money, and pretty much got nothing out of it. I mean, a 90 minute compilation video? Really? Seriously, people, if you want a "Top Gear Experience" get GT5. It'll have the Top Gear Test Track and the Stig himself. T10's Top Gear stuff just makes them seem desperate...like they're trying to compete a little too hard with GT. Which is stupid, if you ask me, 'cause GT and Forza are completely different. And this proves that.

I agree that FM got the Top Gear license to compete with GT5 directly, but I think they're going to have more than just videos and some cars. By this statement, it looks like they have bigger plans for the future:

And that’s just the beginning. In the not-too-distant future, you can expect to see more from Top Gear in the Forza world and vice verse. We’ve got big plans for the future, so stay tuned.

As annoyed as I am, I don't mind them doing it, as long as it doesn't become exclusive to the FM series, because if any of you know how MS operates, it's the $$$, and with lots of $$ they always have the advantage. Sony is a company that admittingly states that they will never spend more money than it's competition when it comes to advertising and temporary exclusives.

 

[VXR]

I don't believe the BBC would be allowed to make it exclusive.

 

[Joey D]

As annoyed as I am, I don't mind them doing it, as long as it doesn't become exclusive to the FM series, because if any of you know how MS operates, it's the $$$, and with lots of $$ they always have the advantage. Sony is a company that admittingly states that they will never spend more money than it's competition when it comes to advertising and temporary exclusives.

If you think Sony isn't in it for the money you need to take the first boat off of fantasy island.

 

[Terronium-12]

Pretty much what JD said.

 

[LaBounti]

I think the better argument is the very different business strategies.

 

[-kj-]

Eurogamer is now reporting on this issue...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-05-forza-fans-turn-on-turn-10

UPDATE:Microsoft has just issued Eurogamer the following statement:

"Right now 'Stig's Garage Car Pack' is only available through the purchase of the Forza Motorsport 3 Ultimate Collection. We are evaluating if and how we release the collection independent of the retail bundle and will have more to share soon."

 

[Starfirebird]

Eurogamer is now reporting on this issue...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-05-forza-fans-turn-on-turn-10

I love the title "Forza Fans Turn on Turn 10" lol

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Wow. I wonder if I should get a 360 and Forza 3 & 4 after this stunt...

 

[Bogie 19th]

Eurogamer is now reporting on this issue...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2010-10-05-forza-fans-turn-on-turn-10

Just like we thought. Marketplace, here it comes.

 

[Zlimness]

Of course it's coming to the marketplace. VIP was also supposed to be exclusive, but it didn't take long before it was available there. Know that when Microsoft says something is exclusive, it means timed exclusive. $30 for the UC is way better than just $10 on the marketplace for them. But there's too many potential customers on the marketplace deal for them to pass up.

But they'll say something like; "Because so many people wanted it, we had to make it available on the marketplace. For you guys!"

 

[Bogie 19th]

Well, that takes care of all the flamewars then, lol.

 

[Eric.]

Well, that takes care of all the flamewars then, lol.

If only it were so easy.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Calling this new edition of the game "Ultmate Collection" allows some hilarious posting, like the one quoted in the Eurogamer article:

"I just love that the ONLY new info on the FUC is that we were all mistaken - ALL 10 new cars are only to be found in the new edition. Wow. Just, wow."

 

[martialstax]

One thing I don't get is the people who are complaining about being gipped. They've played the game for a whole year and got countless hours from the game. If I worked out the cost of what I spent on this game and the hours put in, then it will easily work out than less than a £1 per hour. I've had my money's worth and if people don't see the price/hour argument, then they're either spoilt or willfully ignorant.

Not so quick, there. Not everyone has had FM3 for a year. I just got mine three weeks ago. I had to buy the XBox 360 first and then the game, then I had to exchange the console for the correct (re: most expensive) version so I could get something as basic as replay. I bought the XBL gold membership. I bought every available car and track pack that was available. I spent a lot of money on this game. And now I'm told I can't get these new cars unless I buy the game again. How does that engender feelings of loyalty?

I'm glad I've got a PS3 and preordered and prepaid for GT5.

 

[The_Paladin]

Not so quick, there. Not everyone has had FM3 for a year. I just got mine three weeks ago. I had to buy the XBox 360 first and then the game, then I had to exchange the console for the correct (re: most expensive) version so I could get something as basic as replay. I bought the XBL gold membership. I bought every available car and track pack that was available. I spent a lot of money on this game. And now I'm told I can't get these new cars unless I buy the game again. How does that engender feelings of loyalty?

I'm glad I've got a PS3 and preordered and prepaid for GT5.

This version wasnt a secret, back in 2008 they were planing it and back in august was pretty much confirmed (read the first page), it was obvious that a compilation version was comming, especially when they did the same with Forza 2.
With a little homework you could have saved a few dollars, but what is done is done. Il bet you will be able to buy these new cars sometime after the release of this version.

 

[martialstax]

This version wasnt a secret, back in 2008 they were planing it and back in august was pretty much confirmed (read the first page), it was obvious that a compilation version was comming, especially when they did the same with Forza 2.
With a little homework you could have saved a few dollars, but what is done is done. Il bet you will be able to buy these new cars sometime after the release of this version.

You'll have to forgive me for not doing my research. I bought the game under the apparently mistaken impression that the game had already been released. I wasn't expecting it to be released again with new content exclusive to the second release which serves no purpose other than to punish those who already bought the game. Well, I take that back. It does serve a purpose which is to milk more money out of the Forza community. If Turn 10's shady marketing practices fly with the long time Forza fans, then great. But I'm going back to Polyphony Digital when GT5 comes out.