Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread

[RageRacer]

A bummer that Ascari or even Hudson are not in. Hopefully they come back in the future updates.

 

[Bulavka113]

They will probably be adding these cars with the updates

There are missing so much cars from FH5 ,truly bummer

 

[SuperSportX]

Some interesting omissions (cars that have been added to FH5 after launch but not to FM / Filtered out Offroaders, etc.):

• 2023 Lamborghini Huracán Tecnica
• 2022 Ferrari 296 GTB
• 2022 Toyota GR86
• 2019 Hennessey Camaro Exorcist
• 2022 Pagani Huayra R
• 2019 Porsche #70 Porsche Motorsport 935
• 2020 MG #20 MG6 XPower
• 2022 CUPRA UrbanRebel Concept
• 2020 Lynk & Co #100 Cyan Racing 03
• 2021 Hennessey Venom F5
• 1993 Schuppan 962CR
• 2006 Mosler MT900 GT3
• 2006 Noble M400
• 1966 Jaguar XJ13
• 2010 Forsberg Racing Toyota Gumout 2JZ Camry Stock Car

Is the CLK-GTR in the list of returning cars?

 

[Eraldodisha]

There are about 50+ or moree cars missing,,, why is sesto elemento missing the best car in FH5

 

[CeeJay69]

Some interesting omissions (cars that have been added to FH5 after launch but not to FM / Filtered out Offroaders, etc.):

• 2020 Lynk & Co #100 Cyan Racing 03

Weird...

 

[Eraldodisha]

I will skip the Motorsport …. Love Forza Horizon for listening to the community and adding all the cars we want

 

[Beebo]

They usually have a tendency to include the past games' cover cars in new installments, which makes the lack of base Huracan all the more unusual.

 

[Justuxful]

They usually have a tendency to include the past games' cover cars in new installments, which makes the lack of base Huracan all the more unusual.

Pretty sure that got replaced by the Huracan Evo the same way the first gen pre facelift R8 got replaced with the facelift version.

And speaking of which, so happy to see the facelift second gen R8 coming to the game, fingers crossed it gets added to FH5 too!

 

[willbsn13]

It looks like a lot of earlier FM5 generation cars like;

2014 BMW M4 Coupe
2008 BMW M3 E92
2014 Lamborghini Huracan
2012 Lamborghini Aventador
2010 Lamborghini Murcielago
2012 Nissan GT-R Black Edition
2015 Porsche Cayman GTS

Have been cut. Which is a shame because it means we've probably lost the customization that goes with that car.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Outside of some bad car models that are using measurements and dimensions of pass Forzas, my only other gripe with the new Forza Motorsport seems to be primarily the car tuning system myself. Assuming everything I know about it is correct.

It sounds like every car has to be leveled up on its own before you can fully access all of the mods for it, you can't just buy parts right away for every car you own. That's where my issue lies, I like the idea of course of being able to have a progression system for once and I have to give Turn 10 my praise for that. The same with the career mode, I think it could potentially be one of the most fun career modes in a while.

However, I can see this tuning system becoming increasingly tedious overtime for players having to start from the bottom again on every car and constantly upgrading it. Like you'll finally have every part unlocked for the Subaru WRX S209 and be enjoying it. Later on, you might want to try modifying another car like an A80 Toyota Supra or a 1969 Ford Mustang, but you can't quite do the upgrades you want as you'll have to spend time unlocking all of the upgrades. That itself can kill the fun of customization pretty fast.

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Note: I recall hearing comparisons to Gran Turismo 4's progression and NFSU2's, but I honestly don't exactly agree that they're the same. The only game to compare to would be enthusia as each car had to be leveled up to lvl 10, but honestly; I didn't like that about Enthusia either. With Gran Turismo 4, you have to playthrough the game for sure to unlock cars through events, but that's it. You never had to unlock the parts for every car you unlocked; only just buy them again for another car. In NFS Underground 1-2, parts were locked behind progression, but the upgrade options were immediately available to every car once they were unlocked.

Basically, the one thing I would change about the part upgrade system is to simply make the part unlock system universal. Yes, you have to reach level 50 to unlock all of the parts, but then they would be accessible to every car. Maybe increase the level requirement to 100 or something as a balance since leveling a car up to 50 would take 2-3 hours.

Other ideas I can think of would be unlocking part upgrades for each car brand versus every car, getting every manufacture to level 50 versus every car sounds way more manageable.

 

[turk1993]

The following unannouced new-to-Forza cars can be found:

• 2020 Audi R8

 

[The_Greaser]

They're probably saving these NTF cars as car pass content.

They seem to cut all the good ones, like the E39 and some more too. Q60 Concept didn't make it either.

 

[Beebo]

It is absolutely disappointing to me that there's only one TVR in the game at launch. Really not quite happy with that.

 

[SU_Tempest]

There are missing so much cars from FH5 ,truly bummer

FH5 is missing a ton of things that stayed exclusive to Motorsport, that's kinda how it goes.

I will not buy the game

OK.

There are about 50+ or moree cars missing,,, why is sesto elemento missing the best car in FH5

The "best car" for what?

I will skip the Motorsport …. Love Forza Horizon for listening to the community and adding all the cars we want

You mean like the Nissan Tsuru, the most requested vehicle, which we still don't have?

Seriously, what's the point you're trying to make here? Game ain't out yet. We don't have the full car list yet, and it's all launch content, more will be added in the future.

With Gran Turismo 4, you have to playthrough the game for sure to unlock cars through events, but that's it. You never had to unlock the parts for every car you unlocked; only just buy them again for another car.

You had to grind for credits if you wanted to buy a decent number of cars + parts for each, though. Yes, you could certainly unlock a lot of good cars by playing the right races... but as I'm sure you know, you haven't really played Gran Turismo 4 if you haven't sold thousands of everyone's favorite cash cow, the Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car.

Jokes aside, it really comes down to how much fun you can have at any level of upgrade. I don't even think grinding is a problem either, that's normal; what's a little less normal is replaying the same easy and unengaging race to make the fastest amount of money you can reasonably make. In other words, it's gonna be all about having plenty of viable choices with the events we'll inevitably be doing for grinding in FM. Still holding out hope for a custom event creator as well.

It is absolutely disappointing to me that there's only one TVR in the game at launch. Really not quite happy with that.

I've always wondered about what's going on at TVR from a licensing point of view. The entire catalog of TVR cars, spanning back their whole history, is remarkable and full of gems few people know about, yet they barely show up in video games at all.

 

[Beebo]

I've always wondered about what's going on at TVR from a licensing point of view. The entire catalog of TVR cars, spanning back their whole history, is remarkable and full of gems few people know about, yet they barely show up in video games at all.

What's really strange is Motorfest has the Sagaris; I really hope they've not scooped up exclusive rights to the thing, I'd be heartbroken.

 

[sirjim73]

97.60GB download on Series S...

 

[SU_Tempest]

Preload isn't yet available on Steam, but it'll hopefully come soon.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

You had to grind for credits if you wanted to buy a decent number of cars + parts for each, though. Yes, you could certainly unlock a lot of good cars by playing the right races...

Errr, while you're right that GT4 had its own grinding problems. I can also say that it's nothing compared to what FM23's system could pontentially be. Based on the 2-3 hour estimate, you're looking at 10-15 hours to fully upgrade 10 cars alone. Where's the RSC Rally Raid car takes a 5-7 min at most to win and sell before being able to use it to buy some cars or buy a couple and fully upgrade them. I imagine fully upgrading 10 cars in GT4 would take less time than in FM8 based on that.

but as I'm sure you know, you haven't really played Gran Turismo 4 if you haven't sold thousands of everyone's favorite cash cow, the Toyota RSC Rally Raid Car.

You're literally quoting the guy that made a video of multiple grinding spots for GT4


In which, I found the best grind spot to be just reselling the CLK-LM actually or winning the Camaro LM or 350Z Concept LM. You just have to do 3x fast forward in b-spec model for those events and you're golden.

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Jokes aside, it really comes down to how much fun you can have at any level of upgrade. I don't even think grinding is a problem either, that's normal; what's a little less normal is replaying the same easy and unengaging race to make the fastest amount of money you can reasonably make. In other words, it's gonna be all about having plenty of viable choices with the events we'll inevitably be doing for grinding in FM. Still holding out hope for a custom event creator as well.

I can't fully agree with that either. I mean, I imagine grinding in FM8 will be more fun than in GT games where you have to drive on the same events again. Except for one issue, while the event variety will be better and more fun; you run into another rut of having to be stuck with the same car if you want to level up all of the upgrades. Then when that one is done, you'll have to spend hours grinding with another car. and so on.

 

[TheOE]

I also think it’s close to the GT4 way of playing. The difference is that they wanted you to be able to buy more cars without cheesing but still let you have the feeling of accomplishment when using your „own“ upgraded car. So they had to separate the „car buying economy“ from the „upgrading economy“

 

[SU_Tempest]

You're literally quoting the guy that made a video of multiple grinding spots for GT4 ...

Hence why, I said as I'm sure you know. I do watch you.

Errr, while you're right that GT4 had its own grinding problems. I can also say that it's nothing compared to what FM23's system could pontentially be. Based on the 2-3 hour estimate, you're looking at 10-15 hours to fully upgrade 10 cars alone. Where's the RSC Rally Raid car takes a 5-7 min at most to win and sell before being able to use it to buy some cars or buy a couple and fully upgrade them. I imagine fully upgrading 10 cars in GT4 would take less time than in FM8 based on that.

... In which, I found the best grind spot to be just reselling the CLK-LM actually or winning the Camaro LM or 350Z Concept LM. You just have to do 3x fast forward in b-spec model for those events and you're golden.

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I can't fully agree with that either. I mean, I imagine grinding in FM8 will be more fun than in GT games where you have to drive on the same events again. Except for one issue, while the event variety will be better and more fun; you run into another rut of having to be stuck with the same car if you want to level up all of the upgrades. Then when that one is done, you'll have to spend hours grinding with another car. and so on.

I dunno. Yes, it takes minutes, but good grief is it unengaging to do these laps you know for sure you're gonna win for some 250k-ish credits, especially if you need multiple millions to score good race cars, or the Stealth Cars in the UCD. It's easy but it's unfun easy.
(At least GT4's soundtrack gave me something good to listen to most of the time.)

FM2023 on the other hand, I think we're getting hung up a bit too much on the "2 hour per car" thing. If we can adjust race/event length, something we couldn't do in games of old, not to mention we know we can adjust race difficulty and starting position for potentially more credits and possibly car XP/car points, it's already sounding a lot less tedious to me.

Again, I dunno, there's no way to for sure, we could all be completely wrong. I want to believe they've tested their own game and they've actually got something that sounds better than it looks, especially in light of the uhhh. Questionable-at-times ways they've marketed the game so far. I want to believe it's not gonna be that bad. But there's only one way to know and it's to plug the controller or the wheel yourself.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Hence why, I said as I'm sure you know. I do watch you.

Ah.

I dunno. Yes, it takes minutes, but good grief is it unengaging to do these laps you know for sure you're gonna win for some 250k-ish credits, especially if you need multiple millions to score good race cars, or the Stealth Cars in the UCD. It's easy but it's unfun easy.
(At least GT4's soundtrack gave me something good to listen to most of the time.)

I mean, it can be unengaging I guess, but since I usually only have to do it once to buy and fully upgrade a car. I really don't get too hung up over it and you can use multiple cars in that event. Also, remember what I just said about being able to also win high valued cars in championship events just using B-Spec mode. The DTM championship for instance gives you a Mercedes CLK-LM that's over 800k credits. In which only takes 15-16 in-game minutes via B-Spec mode's 3x race speed up ability, once your DTM car and A.I. is fast enough; you can basically keep winning those doing just about nothing.

and most of the heavy grinding was just going for the race cars. If you just wanted to buy and upgrade something like a Lancer Evo VI, you just had to probably do any of those races I listed once.

and yeah, that's not the right kind of fun as you should be having fun engaging with the game. But my point is that I honestly don't see FM23 at the moment having its kind of grinding system being more fun than GT4 had it based on what I know.

FM2023 on the other hand, I think we're getting hung up a bit too much on the "2 hour per car" thing. If we can adjust race/event length, something we couldn't do in games of old, not to mention we know we can adjust race difficulty and starting position for potentially more credits and possibly car XP/car points, it's already sounding a lot less tedious to me.

You could be right about that, it could be less time consuming for all we know based on those aspects. Though when I heard that number, I assumed that was taking those factors in account.

But as you said:

Again, I dunno, there's no way to for sure, we could all be completely wrong.

So yeah, I'll wait for release and talk about it.

 

[DingueDeForza]

97.60GB download on Series S... View attachment 1288422

On Series X there is a High Resolution Track Textures file

 

[meganinja]

once youve added parts to your car you can remove the upgrades but still`bank`them

As far i know

Cars found
2022 Subaru BRZ

Cars not in the game
2022 Toyota GR86

Its intresting that BRZ is on FM and GR86 in FH5, but one is not in another....

• 2020 Lynk & Co Cyan Racing 03

Weird...

Isnt this car already confirmed on the car list?

• 2020 Lynk & Co Cyan Racing 03
  
  

 

[TheOE]

Isnt this car already confirmed on the car list?

• 2020 Lynk & Co Cyan Racing 03

Yea, but it is the
„2020 Lynk & Co #62 Cyan Racing 03“ in game - so just a different livery, but still strange, since the video has the #100 in it

 

[meganinja]

2020 Lynk & Co #62 Cyan Racing 03“ in game - so just a different livery, but still strange, since the video has the #100 in it

I guess that the racing team may asked for another car be featured or some thing like that, if is the same car i dont consider a missing

2022 CUPRA UrbanRebel Concept

I was anxious to play this car on motorsport, Unless Cupra will use it for some promo like they did with FH, i will miss this car a lot

• 2019 Dodge Challenger TA (?)

Can be the Trans-Am TA Dodge as well

 

[willbsn13]

Just thought I'd keep a track of some cars not yet in FM2023 from FH5.

• This list doesn't include any FM7 or FH4 exclusive cars
• Didn't include any off-road vehicles or vans or SUVs.

Obviously the final list has yet to be revealed so this is very much a WIP. But some cars here would be baffling to cut IMO. Like some real Forza staples. Not the end of the world if they don't make it, but certainly very weird.

These ones stood out to me;

2011 Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
2013 Ford Shelby GT500
2012 Hennessey Venom GT
2003 Honda S2000
2008 Koenigsegg CCGT
2010 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SV
1997 Lotus Elise GT1
1998 Mercedes-Benz AMG CLK GTR
2010 Pagani Zonda R
2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster
1963 Volkswagen Beetle

Full List:

2017 Abarth 124 Spider
2016 Abarth 695 Biposto
1980 Abarth Fiat 131
1968 Abarth 595 esseesse
2002 Acura RSX Type-S
2017 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
2014 Alfa Romeo 4C
2007 Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione
1992 Alfa Romeo 155 Q4
1968 Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale
1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA Stradale
1965 Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ2
2012 Ascari KZ1-R Limited Edition
2010 Aston Martin One-77
2018 ATS GT
1991 Bentley Turbo R
1931 Bentley 4½ Litre Supercharged
1931 Bentley 8-Litre
2016 BMW M2 Coupé
2014 BMW M4 Coupe
2011 BMW 1 Series M Coupe
2009 BMW M5 V10 E60
2008 BMW M3 E92
2008 BMW Z4 M Coupe
2003 BMW M5 E39
1995 BMW M5 E34
2011 Bugatti Veyron Super Sport
1996 Chevrolet Impala Super Sport
1964 Chevrolet Impala Super Sport 409
1960 Chevrolet Corvette
1957 Chevrolet Bel Air
1955 Chevrolet 150 Utility Sedan
1953 Chevrolet Corvette
2022 CUPRA UrbanRebel Concept
1982 DeLorean DMC 12
2015 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat
2008 Dodge Magnum SRT8
1968 Dodge Dart Hemi Super Stock
2011 Eagle Speedster
2022 Ferrari 296 GTB
2017 Ferrari GTC4Lusso
2015 Ferrari 488 GTB
2010 Ferrari 599 GTO
2010 Ferrari 599XX
2007 Ferrari 430 Scuderia
2005 Ferrari FXX
1968 Ferrari 365 GTB/4
2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E 1400
2016 Ford Mustang GT350R
2014 Ford Fiesta ST
2014 Ford FPV Limited Edition Pursuit Ute
2013 Ford Shelby GT500
2010 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
1994 Ford Supervan 3
1985 Ford RS200 Evolution
1973 Ford Capri RS3100
1972 Ford Falcon XA GT-HO
1970 Ford GT70
1959 Ford Anglia 105E
1940 Ford De Luxe Coupe
1932 Ford De Luxe Five-Window Coupe
All Formula Drift Cars
1985 HDT VK Commodore SS Group A
2021 Hennessey Venom F5
2019 Hennessey Camaro Exorcist
2012 Hennessey Venom GT
2016 Honda Civic Type-R
2007 Honda Civic Type-R
2005 Honda NSX-R GT
2003 Honda S2000
1994 Honda Prelude Si
1984 Honda Civic CRX Mugen
1974 Honda Civic RS
2015 Infiniti Q60 Concept
2019 Italdesign DaVinci Concept
2018 Italdesign Zerouno
2016 Jaguar F Type Project 7
2015 Jaguar XE-S
2012 Jaguar XKR-S
2010 Jaguar C-X75
1966 Jaguar XJ13
1964 Jaguar E-Type Lightweight
2016 Koenigsegg Regera
2015 Koenigsegg One:1
2011 Koenigsegg Agera
2008 Koenigsegg CCGT
2002 Koenigsegg CC8S
2023 Lamborghini Huracán Tecnica
2020 Lamborghini SC20
2018 Lamborghini #63 Squadra Corse Huracán Super Trofeo Evo
2014 Lamborghini Hurácan LP 610-4
2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4
2011 Lamborghini Sesto Elemento
2010 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SV
2008 Lamborghini Reventón
1992 Lancia Delta HF Integrale EVO
1986 Lancia Delta S4
1982 Lancia 037 Stradale
1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale
1997 Lexus SC300
2012 Lotus Exige S
1999 Lotus Elise Series 1 Sport 190
1997 Lotus Elise GT1
2010 Maserati Gran Turismo S
2008 Maserati MC12 Versione Corsa
2005 Mazda Mazdaspeed MX-5
2019 McLaren Speedtail
2015 McLaren 570S Coupé
2015 McLaren 650S Coupe
2015 Mercedes-AMG GT S
2013 Mercedes-Benz E 63 AMG
1998 Mercedes-Benz AMG CLK GTR
1987 Mercedes-Benz AMG Hammer Coupe
1929 Mercedes-Benz SSK Roadster
1970 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler
2020 MG #20 MG6 XPower TCR
2015 MG MG 3
2005 MG X Power SV
2009 MINI John Cooper Works
1988 Mitsubishi Starion ESI-R
1958 Morris Minor 1000
2010 Mosler MT900S
2006 Mosler MT900 GT3
1933 Napier Napier-Railton
2012 Nissan GT-R Black Edition
2010 Noble M600
2006 Noble M400
1966 Oldsmobile Toronado
2022 Pagani Huayra R
2010 Pagani Zonda R
2009 Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster
1991 Peugeot 205 Rallye
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Formula S
1958 Plymouth Fury
1965 Pontiac GTO
2019 Porsche #70 Porsche Motorsport 935
2019 Porsche 911 Carrera S
2016 Porsche Cayman GT4
2015 Porsche Cayman GTS
2014 Porsche 911 Turbo S
2012 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0
2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic
1995 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 by Guntherworks
1990 Porsche 911 by Singer
1971 Porsche #23 Martini International Racing Team 917/20 'Pink Pig'
1964 Porsche 356 C Cabriolet Emory Special
1959 Porsche 356A 1600 Super
2013 Renault Clio RS 200
2010 Renault Clio RS
2010 Renault Megane RS 250
1968 Renault 4L Export
1993 Schuppan 962CR
2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
2022 Toyota GR86
2013 Toyota GT86
1965 Toyota Sports 800
2005 TVR Sagaris
1998 TVR Cerbera Speed 12
2005 Vauxhall Monaro VXR
2011 Volkswagen Scirocco R
2010 Volkswagen Golf R
1963 Volkswagen Beetle
2015 Volvo V60 Polestar
1983 Volvo 242 Turbo Evolution

 

[ieatmentoss17]

the TA is the Trans-Am Challenger that leaked in Horizon years ago

Yes, I believe so. I'll check if any of the other cars from that list have made it.

The "best car" for what?

The best car for S2 or X class road racing and some PR stunts.

You mean like the Nissan Tsuru, the most requested vehicle, which we still don't have?

We'll likely be receiving it in less than a month's time, which is great. Obviously not saying that we have it yet.

 

[Bilu]

I had a quick look through the archives and saw that there are snow tires? Huh?

 

[meganinja]

Just thought I'd keep a track of some cars not yet in FM2023 from FH5.

I think that they will add some cars in updates, they will follow Horizon style of add 6-8 cars by upgrade and other styles of upgrade such as new car parts

Update: Cars had been added to Website car list

We now have 488, considering that the final list has 520 (excluding the 10 Forza Edition cars) we have 32 cars left to be announced
Also, Do not forget that cars can be added/removed in the day 1 patch

Forza Motorsport Initial Car List

Check out the cars available in Forza Motorsport at launch on October 10.

forza.net

 

[Beebo]

I really hope that if they come back, they come back with better models at the very least. The ones that are wonky anyways.