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I don't understand why they don't allow players to customize the volume level of various parts (supercharger/turbocharger, exhaust, transmission whine, tire scrub) from what they consider default.
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They may do it over time as it happened in FH5 with the exhaust and turbo sounds.
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Yeah but the truth these days is that FH clearly has priority in determining what gets scanned.
My point was with the update planning: T10 determines what to add when and so far they haven’t been doing a great job of using the hundreds of models available, at least in my opinion.
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Well, if the launch of the new platform was smoother, which was not, as you are aware, T10 could concentrate on adding more themed content instead of still being tied up with issues that have to be addressed AND add the planned tracks/cars content.
At this point FH5 is an almost perfect well-oiled machine. Yes, there are issues here and there, but nothing is really major and some just won't be addressed further. So, they have a well-planned schedule that probably extends to 6 months or even 1 more year of service.
Until FM reaches that comfort point (in another year, maybe) I think we will still get content in small amounts. This month with the Mustangs has been one of the more cohesive ones, IMO.
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Definitely peeves me that FH gets more interesting cars than FM23. We're lucky to get any of them as it rarely happens
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They made career that way to make the reward cars more accessible to everyone. Those folks of lower skill levels for whatever reasons don't have to win the races to get the rewards. Not everyone can improve their skills as easily as others or don't have the time to put in all the effort it takes to win the races and/or improve in the races. Have they made some questionable decisions during the course of the franchise and game? Yes, but that isn't one of them.
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Those people have no business trying out that Gran Turismo 4 Spec II mod then. Holy smokes. Can you imagine these fragile people cowering in their closets because they actually had to pass license test to play the game. And then win actual races. That's straight up PTSD right there.
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Imagine if you had to win every race in a championship in real life to be considered champion and move on to the next season of racing... Oh wait, you can actually win a championship without actually winning any races thereof (would help, though).
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It doesn't have anything to do with people being fragile. I'm sure there are people with disabilities that limit their skill level that play FM23 as well. There's no reason to gatekeep the game. If you are able to play the game and win every championship without much effort, good for you, there are people out there with physical limitations that cannot do that and they should have a chance to get those cars as well. It's bad enough they are time limited, they shouldn't be limited by skill level too, especially for those who cannot help their condition.
As Nacho said even in pro leagues you don't have to win every race in a championship to move on to the next season. Imagine if racing teams told their drivers they couldn't race in the next year and/or race series because they didn't win. You would end up with the same two or three drivers in every race.
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Racing drivers get replaced all the time for not winning. No team is keeping the bottom of the barrel for the long term. This is a game. This isn't the real world. This is a game like any other game you play. The idea is to progress. Not finish last on the easiest settings so you can win your car. Also one of the reasons why FM isn't doing so hot, the monotonous career that has no sense of progression and is a purgatory of races that in the end, you have accomplished nothing. Gran Turismo you have to win. You have to pass licenses to progress (let's not get into 7, that's kindof a mess with licenses). It's about being able to show or be proud that I golded all this crap. You have to win races to get prize cars. You have to win Missions to get prize cars.
Where along the line did anyone think, "let's not do any of that", and that was the right decision? I can understand people with disabilities. And the game caters to that wonderfully. We've all seen that. However how has the common denominator for the whole game been brought down to people who would be struggling with disabilities in the first place? I fail to see how it's ridiculous to have to place in a podium finish in a championship to progress. Even with the different AI difficulty levels. There is next to no replay value for any of these career championships whatsoever. There might be if I placed 4th and I needed to be 3rd or higher.
Where along the line did anyone think, "let's not do any of that", and that was the right decision? I can understand people with disabilities. And the game caters to that wonderfully. We've all seen that. However how has the common denominator for the whole game been brought down to people who would be struggling with disabilities in the first place? I fail to see how it's ridiculous to have to place in a podium finish in a championship to progress. Even with the different AI difficulty levels. There is next to no replay value for any of these career championships whatsoever. There might be if I placed 4th and I needed to be 3rd or higher.
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Sure, let's remove the rewind function and difficulty setting as well. And how about that controller support? And don't get me started on the blind assists and accessibility features. $50+ mass market videogames should only be for people who git gud...
Well, that's a take, alright. I don't get why some people who play games are bothered that other people who aren't at their skill level are also allowed to have fun playing something they bought for their own enjoyment. Last I heard the game still has rivals and online multiplayer for those who want to prove their skills against others.
Well, that's a take, alright. I don't get why some people who play games are bothered that other people who aren't at their skill level are also allowed to have fun playing something they bought for their own enjoyment. Last I heard the game still has rivals and online multiplayer for those who want to prove their skills against others.
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Neither model the cars themself its outsourced, as far as i am concered, the only one that model the cars them self is polyohony digital.
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Gran Turismo Car Models Now Made in Three Months, Outsourced to India
Back in August 2018, we brought you some rather interesting information on the inner workings of the Gran Turismo series: after two decades of almost exclusive in-house development, Polyphony Digital had decided to bring in some external talent by outsourcing some of its vehicle modeling tasks. W
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Only a part of if was outsourced, and they only did it in the gt sport days, proably to boost the car updates with the lack of cars in gt sport. But they still scanned cars by themself even during that era,witch is even stated in the article, now its most likely only pd themself scanning the cars for the game, witch explains the much lower car update count.Gran Turismo Car Models Now Made in Three Months, Outsourced to India
Back in August 2018, we brought you some rather interesting information on the inner workings of the Gran Turismo series: after two decades of almost exclusive in-house development, Polyphony Digital had decided to bring in some external talent by outsourcing some of its vehicle modeling tasks. W
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Motorsport would still need to secure a licensing agreement with Porsche, but this theory does stack up if we’re talking purely about dev costs.
Also, Motorsport has different physics, tyre compounds, upgrade system etc. so I imagine the development time is longer still and rather than hold up Horizon to wait for Motorsport to be ready, the cap was made to put the car in now.
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Yes FH5 has an epic car list. I want so many of them in this game.
I still can't believe neither game has a MK7 Golf GTi though! Hang on a sec, neither games have any Golf GTIs after the MK3. Crazy!
Older Forza games had the MK5 and 6 GTIs. These are legendary cars so it's a big omission
I still can't believe neither game has a MK7 Golf GTi though! Hang on a sec, neither games have any Golf GTIs after the MK3. Crazy!
Older Forza games had the MK5 and 6 GTIs. These are legendary cars so it's a big omission
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This is actually one of my favourite features included in this iteration. Racing games can be really frustrating when you are expected to podium in order to progress, races don't always go to plan at the best of times, and a small mistake can often ruin a race, but in real life you still have to try and get to the finish line and try again the next week.
Because of this, I upped my difficulty, turned off rewind, start mid-pack and just race like I would in multiplayer, it's the best way to play the game IMO, and while the AI has it's quirks, for the most part it provides a decent challenge for me, so the races are actually enjoyable whether I finish in P1 or way down the pack.
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For me the best part of the game is the Open Tour. Start at the bottom with one of your cars, drive it, update it, maybe tune it, and see if you can dominate that class. After that, you think it can be upgraded to the next level and achieve success too? See how far it can go. It could be more refined, but the real progression/rewarding feeling is in this game mode IMO.
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Thanks.
One of the traits I have with my ASD is issues with fine and gross motor skills, combined with early Dupuytren's contracture in both hands, It's great to know I'm dragging that denominator down too low for you!
That very much depends on the series and level, plenty of series exist globally that if you have the money to take part each season, then it doesn't matter a jot where you place.
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Both of you have taken this so out of control that it's truly remarkable. Congratulations. With adding a bunch of stuff I never said or would have intended in the first place. The only thing I can thank for this is the laugh.
How it is possible to think that winning or placing in the top 3 of championship is somehow unfathomable is baffling when just about every racing game has had this institutionalized for decades. And you can draw that I meant the next step is taking away controller support. Funny.
No one even said to lock anything behind a certain difficulty or take away accessibility assists. You can put the AI on 1 if that's what you have to do or use all the assists you need. But it's perfectly fine if there's no accountability in the game whatsoever? Well I guess making the top times in rivals. I'm more speaking about the career progression which there really isn't any to speak of.
Which was the whole point. If we had something to strive for, it would put more purpose to the game in the first place. But instead, we have FOMO and races that you just have "get through" time wise.
You people on this very thread talking about how they set up the cars to drive themselves so they don't even have to do anything to progress and get the cars. I realize the internet is going to do internet things but come on guys.
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If you only want to progress after getting a podium finish then you're free to do so. It doesn't affect anything about how others play the game. I personally don't move onto the next race until I come in first. But to say that people who have disabilities are making the game for everyone else is the kind of thing that someone who wants to literally make the game worse for everyone else would say.
You were talking about people being snowflakes because they couldn't handle doing license tests. What'll actually happen is that those people won't play those games and instead play something which allows them to progress at their own pace. Forza is one of them now and as far as I'm concerned, it's not hurting the game one iota.
Why not take a leaf out of @Nacho Libre's book? He's playing the game the way he wants to and getting a lot more out of it. Expecting everyone else to change their view just to suit you and then getting offended when people agree with them instead of you isn't a good look. That's how your comments are coming across.
Microsoft and Turn 10 just want to make the game accessible for as many people as possible. That's their focus with this game. I just don't see how making the game more traditional or catering to "institutions" helps that. The more people playing, the better.
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Never once did I say that people with disabilities shouldn't be able to play. Not even close. What I said was that in the whole game, you don't have to win a single race. My comment was asking the question, should the whole game be brought to a level in which there is no winning required whatsoever.
People act as though GT7 doesn't exist I guess. You have to win the missions. You place in each of the career races and it tells you if you've placed 6th or 11th or 1st in each of the separate races. There are championships at the bottom of the screen that you need to win. I don't know if you need to. I forget and GT7 collects dust for me. Point being, why doesn't FM have any goals to set? There are no goals. I have 6 other Sims on PC that I can have no goals other than the fact of experiencing wonderful physics, FFB and/or the challenge of another player. One could argue that FM is very close to this as well, but a game fully devoid of fulfilling any challenge requested to any degree? While it's #1 competitor offers challenges in spades by compare? That's not odd?
I think people are stuck on the words that say "brought down" and I should have worded that differently.
How has the common denominator been brought to a racing game in which if there were people with disabilities, and the consensus was, well, let's just make it so you don't have to win a race. That way everyone wins no matter what. And by the way, this doesn't just go towards people with disabilities, this goes towards kids too. There's no reason a 6/7 year old can't race cars around in Forza. They might not be that skilled and should still be able to play.
People act as though GT7 doesn't exist I guess. You have to win the missions. You place in each of the career races and it tells you if you've placed 6th or 11th or 1st in each of the separate races. There are championships at the bottom of the screen that you need to win. I don't know if you need to. I forget and GT7 collects dust for me. Point being, why doesn't FM have any goals to set? There are no goals. I have 6 other Sims on PC that I can have no goals other than the fact of experiencing wonderful physics, FFB and/or the challenge of another player. One could argue that FM is very close to this as well, but a game fully devoid of fulfilling any challenge requested to any degree? While it's #1 competitor offers challenges in spades by compare? That's not odd?
I think people are stuck on the words that say "brought down" and I should have worded that differently.
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You said that GT7 is gathering dust for you. Me too. I got to a point where I couldn't progress and put the game down in favour of Forza and other games. It doesn't make sense to say that Forza should be more like GT7 by making the progression harder. They tried doing that with the car points system and it didn't work out for them.
The incentive for placing higher in a race is the increased monetary reward, so I'm pretty sure people will still want to place as highly as they can because cars cost money in the game. To say that the game has no goals sounds like a bit of an exaggeration.
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I understand. But two things. I don't want anything to get harder and I definitely don't want anything like GT7.
There isn't even statistics in the game. The races come and go. What I'm proposing isn't even somewhat feasible because the races come and go, outside of having a podium placement requirement. With all the settings it could be turned off I would suppose. You can't look back and see where you placed in a race like GT7 because that race doesn't exist anymore next month.
This got a little out of hand. My bad wording. My fault. Whatever it may be.
All I'm saying is that I wish it had more structure and more accountability. It's hurry up and get through these races so you can get to next months same thing.
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