Forza

[Dave A]

They're nice pics, I like that custom Silvia. And Cobra I think the term is plasticy, not arcadey, arcade racers come in many different graphic styles from plasticy to cartoon and even realistic.

 

[RoxxorJoorSoxxo]

Yes. Very plastic-y. I've never been a fan of x-box colors/lighting, everything always looks washed out.

 

[cobragt]

That's a better term. I dont know why everything looks so hazy in the distance.

 

[ferrari355]

!FIRST POAST ALERT!
I havn't been paying attention to GT4 for the last while because i keeps getting pushed back. now it looks like there is a solid release date. i almost pooed myself when i saw the screenshots! there are amazing!!!! as for forza it looks like the best GT copycat to come out in years..... its pretty nice looking but still a copy cat. i think that the car graphics look like they are all 1 color and have no.. hmmmmm... depth? im not sure the correct wording... it still looks to perfect and all one color..... (kinda like mario cart colors on gt4 cars)

 

[Dave A]

GT1 was a copy cat too you know.

 

[ferrari355]

copy cat of wut?

 

[cobragt]

GT1 was a copy cat too you know.

I was under the impression gt1 was the first racer to include various car types and let you drive them.

 

[un_peacekeeper]

First pics of city tracks

the pavement on the first pic looks like a perfectly smooth sheet of metal

car models look plasticy too...color fills are bland, lack depth, and contrast

...let's not talk bout the spectators

 

[ferrari355]

gt sries is not a copy cat of anything is it.....? i have gt1 gt2 and gt3.... and i have never played another game even remotly comparable to it.....

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

!FIRST POAST ALERT!
I havn't been paying attention to GT4 for the last while because i keeps getting pushed back. now it looks like there is a solid release date. i almost pooed myself when i saw the screenshots! there are amazing!!!! as for forza it looks like the best GT copycat to come out in years..... its pretty nice looking but still a copy cat. i think that the car graphics look like they are all 1 color and have no.. hmmmmm... depth? im not sure the correct wording... it still looks to perfect and all one color..... (kinda like mario cart colors on gt4 cars)

Welcome to the GT planet forums
Where have you been all this time, under a rock? There is no solid release date. The only thing we know is Q1 2005. That topic is being discussed in the "New Release Date" thread. Please don't bring up that subject in this forum. NO offense, but I thought I'd just bring that up.
Secondly, when I saw forza, I thought It was, too but when you read about the features and what microsft has to say about forza, you'll know that forza isn't supposed to be a "GT copycat". I agree with you about the graphics, GT blows the forza graphics out of the water, but "one color", I would slightly disagree.

 

[un_peacekeeper]

GT1 was a copy cat too you know.

i m guessing ridge racer?

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

i m guessing ridge racer?

I don't think it was ridge racer, It was something on Sega Saturn, but I forget the name.

 

[ferrari355]

ridge racer........ hahahaha dont make me laugh

 

[Dave A]

No actually, I'm struggling to remember the name of the game since I never played it but there was an earlier game where you bought cars and tuned them, there should be someone else around that will know the name of the game.

 

[ferrari355]

yaaaaayyyyyyy!!!!!! sega saturn!!!!! 16 fps mmaxxxx!!!!! wehooooooo!!!!

 

[ferrari355]

im also wondering how forza people use the argument forza has cars u want to drive" GT3 had corvet, jaguar xj220, lotus esprit,ruf's, tommy kira zz2, aston martin Vanquish,viper gts,
zonda c12.. how many have i missed....?

 

[un_peacekeeper]

street rod?

 

[Dave A]

Yeah I dissagree that people don't wan't to drive half the cars in GT, thats a load of crap, however I'd happily sacrifice a couple of Micra and Daihatsu's for a couple of Ferrari's and Porsches.

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

im also wondering how forza people use the argument forza has cars u want to drive" GT3 had corvet, jaguar xj220, lotus esprit,ruf's, tommy kira zz2, aston martin Vanquish,viper gts,
zonda c12.. how many have i missed....?

Ferrari, Porsche, and maybe lamborghini. I don't know if Lamborghini is in forza, I just wanted to mention lambo anyway.

EDIT: Those and import tuners!

 

[Dave A]

He was saying about desireable cars in GT3, and by the way he missed the best one, the TVR Cerbera Speed 12.

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

He was saying about desireable cars in GT3, and by the way he missed the best one, the TVR Cerbera Speed 12.

I missed that part, sorry. Those are cars people wants to drive, though. I love to drive a ferrari, but that Cerbera Speed 12...

 

[capnlarge]

Yes. Very plastic-y. I've never been a fan of x-box colors/lighting, everything always looks washed out.

The words of someone who hasn't played many XBOX games. Lots of XBOX games have very exciting, colourful graphics. And multi-platform games almost always look better on XBOX.

Some XBOX games have a washed out look. (Halo comes to mind) But that's more of an artistic decision than a hardware limitation.

P.S: Doesn't Forza have the Speed 12? PGR 2 did.

 

[Dave A]

Yes it probably has a few others in GT3 too, but we were listin desireable cars from GT4, now GT4 will have even more of them, possibley having more desireable cars in GT4 than Forza's total car count. As for X-Box's graphics, yes they are better than other consoles, but the lighting and shading doesn't quite get that look GT3 and 4 has.

 

[cobragt]

Exactly live. While forza is graphically superior to gt4, it just doesnt look right.

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

Exactly live. While forza is graphically superior to gt4, it just doesnt look right.

More than likely you probably know this already, but whether a game looks good or not depends on how much effort the game maker put into making the graphics, and looks like forza hasn't been worked on hard enough. Look at Need for Speed: Underground 2. The game came out less than a year before the first one did, and the games graphics look terrible, imo.

 

[neurokinetik]

i m guessing ridge racer?

Test Drive, probably... that was the first racing game I saw that used normal street cars, and went for the most realism available at the time. Anybody remember the "realistic shifting mode" it had? You would use the joystick button as the clutch, and you had to move the stick like you would be moving it in the real car. The 2-3 shift in the Lotus Esprit Turbo was especially tough to do.

Look at Need for Speed: Underground 2. The game came out less than a year before the first one did, and the games graphics look terrible, imo.

...but the gameplay is better, and the framerate is improved. I never realized how choppy the first one was until I went back and started playing it again after beating the second one.

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

Test Drive, probably... that was the first racing game I saw that used normal street cars, and went for the most realism available at the time. Anybody remember the "realistic shifting mode" it had? You would use the joystick button as the clutch, and you had to move the stick like you would be moving it in the real car. The 2-3 shift in the Lotus Esprit Turbo was especially tough to do.



...but the gameplay is better, and the framerate is improved. I never realized how choppy the first one was until I went back and started playing it again after beating the second one.

Most Definitely. I love the feature in Underground 2 where you can search the whole city for racing spots. very realistic.
I recently saw a commercial for underground 2, and the graphics looked very fake from my point of view.

 

[slackbladder]

Surely Forza should be a better looking game than GT4. Would'nt it be an embarrassment if Forza was graphically worse than GT4? If the Xbox is the most powerful console than it should produce the best looking games. But of course it isn't that simple.
What I find interesting is that GT4 can keep its head up with Forza in the looks department even though it is technically on an inferior console. It shows how important the skills and abilities of the designers, artists, programmers etc of the development team are in making a game.

RE: the damage. If car damage is supposed to be realistic should'nt a race end if you hit anything above, say, 100mph? If that isn't the case then it's not realistic but pseudo real. That's okay though, it adds an extra element to the gameplay. But it should'nt be confused with reality where hitting a barrier at 30mph might end your race.

Well, Forza is a game I would buy if I had an Xbox. It does have a lot going for it. The only thing that bothers me is the 30fps of Forza. I'm so used to the pure silky smoothness of GT3 that I wonder if Forza suffers a little in comparison. Is the fps of a racing game important to anyone else?

PS. Ah, Test Drive..I remember that! But was the first ever Need For Speed released before that? I can't remember....

 

[capnlarge]

Yes it probably has a few others in GT3 too, but we were listin desireable cars from GT4, now GT4 will have even more of them, possibley having more desireable cars in GT4 than Forza's total car count. As for X-Box's graphics, yes they are better than other consoles, but the lighting and shading doesn't quite get that look GT3 and 4 has.

I agree with that totally. GT 4 and even GT 3 have a more realistic graphical look than Forza. I even agree that Forza looks slightly washed out. I was just responding to the poster who said all XBOX games look washed out and fake, because that simply isn't true.

I mean there are some truely spectacular looking racing games on the XBOX. Rallisport Challenge 2 and Burnout 3 (also on PS2, but better looking on XBOX) come to mind.

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

Surely Forza should be a better looking game than GT4. Would'nt it be an embarrassment if Forza was graphically worse than GT4? If the Xbox is the most powerful console than it should produce the best looking games. But of course it isn't that simple.
What I find interesting is that GT4 can keep its head up with Forza in the looks department even though it is technically on an inferior console. It shows how important the skills and abilities of the designers, artists, programmers etc of the development team are in making a game.

RE: the damage. If car damage is supposed to be realistic should'nt a race end if you hit anything above, say, 100mph? If that isn't the case then it's not realistic but pseudo real. That's okay though, it adds an extra element to the gameplay. But it should'nt be confused with reality where hitting a barrier at 30mph might end your race.

Well, Forza is a game I would buy if I had an Xbox. It does have a lot going for it. The only thing that bothers me is the 30fps of Forza. I'm so used to the pure silky smoothness of GT3 that I wonder if Forza suffers a little in comparison. Is the fps of a racing game important to anyone else?

PS. Ah, Test Drive..I remember that! But was the first ever Need For Speed released before that? I can't remember....

Don't forget that the x-box has a pentium 3 733mhz. processor and an nvidia GeForce 64mb. graphics card, it would be a huge disappointment for forza to be graphically inferior to GT4. I own NFS:HS for pc and a car or track can look alot better when it has better texture, so I think forza needs more color texture if it wants to beat GT4 in graphics.