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how cool
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I also think drivers and interior looks some kind of stupid. GT4 looks more realistic so far.[/QUOTE]
Looks more realistic? The graphics are better on GT4, I will give it that, but the fact that GT4 lacks car damage, how can you say it looks more realistic than Forza?.. Can't figure that one out!
I played the Demo of Forza, and was quite amazed at the detail, as it is just a demo. My mate drove that yellow Porsche, thats right "Porsche" around Laguna and hit the wall, just grazing it, it left yellow paint on the wall!! How cool is that, what a nice little touch I tought.
I have both xbox and ps2, and have always been a huge fan of GT and will always be a fan. But you can't knock Microsoft, this is their 1st attempt at this type of game on the console the game looks pretty damn good, plus the fact is will have online play, car damage, visual mods on certain cars, and Ferraries, porsches etc...
The problem is a lot of die hard GT fans will not accept that there is finally some competition in the market with this type of car racing genre, and alot of them certainly dont seem to like the fact its on the xbox.
Looks more realistic? The graphics are better on GT4, I will give it that, but the fact that GT4 lacks car damage, how can you say it looks more realistic than Forza?.. Can't figure that one out!
I played the Demo of Forza, and was quite amazed at the detail, as it is just a demo. My mate drove that yellow Porsche, thats right "Porsche" around Laguna and hit the wall, just grazing it, it left yellow paint on the wall!! How cool is that, what a nice little touch I tought.
I have both xbox and ps2, and have always been a huge fan of GT and will always be a fan. But you can't knock Microsoft, this is their 1st attempt at this type of game on the console the game looks pretty damn good, plus the fact is will have online play, car damage, visual mods on certain cars, and Ferraries, porsches etc...
The problem is a lot of die hard GT fans will not accept that there is finally some competition in the market with this type of car racing genre, and alot of them certainly dont seem to like the fact its on the xbox.
the Interceptor
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I agree with DeltaS4 for the following reason:welshgtlover
The matter of realistic looks doesn't have to be about damage or a cockpit view. In my opinion games like Forza look better on the surface, but they don't look as real as GT. All the footage I've seen from other racing games looks somewhat artificial, where GT does look like real in some situations. Overall I think GT looks more realistic more of the time, because the shape of the cars and the scenery just looks more like the real thing.
Cheers,
the Interceptor
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live4speed
I understand that Porsche has a deal with EA and I suppose Fiat (which is the whole owner of Ferrari) signed separate deals for their Fiat (with PD or Sony) and Ferrari (with EA) divisions. But what about Lamborghini?! GT4 will clearly have VW (the whole owner of Lamborghini), and I can't find anything indicating that VW has any exclusive contract with any other game producer for their Lamborghini division. Does anyone know why Lamborghini isn't in the game?
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welshgtlover
RUF = Porsche... tuned.. and that suits me fine
Also perhaps you should try grazing a car into a wall, just grazing it.. and see what happens...
GT4 will have online play eventually, and we do not need it to enjoy it... most driving games I've played online have sucked due to lag etc.
Car damage... well as has been said so many times.. it doesn't really matter that much in the bigger scheme of things. If it came down to a choice of having 400 less cars and 20 less tracks and no photo mode for a little damage... I'd just say no to damage.. cause the other things enhance gameplay and increase the longevity of the game far more. When I hit a wall I know I've screwed up.. I will have lost time and I wont be happy with myself because of it... I don't need the game to display some crappy paint effect and a few unrealistic dents.. that's just worse than nothing.
Visual mods... GT4 will have limited visual mods.. steering away from rice and more onto function. If you want to rice your cars and pretend your in the fast and the furious then go and play NFSU2... it's made for your kind of personality.
As I've also said before... I don't care about Porsche we have RUF... and as for Ferrari... I can live without them just fine... I'd rather drive the hundreds of other different cars in the game to be honest.
I said in a post above... Most people on here couldn't care less about Forza as most people here own PS2's and not Xbox's... Those who have both obviously might care and it's up to those people which game they buy.
It's nice to see the opinions and views and information about both games... but people should stop trying to convince people on a GT forum that they should buy an Xbox and Forza.. and ignore GT4, their PS2 and their DFP to play Forza on a damn Xbox controller..
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I like competition, it's good for business. And I like racing games, and if they are as good as GT, why not get all of them? I don't know if I'll like Forza enough to buy an X-BOX, but I'll surely have a try when it's out. Actually I really don't like the X-BOX because it's a Microsoft product, but then again I don't like Sony, so that's a draw. And if Forza really is as good, I don't see no reason not to get it. I'm not jealous of other racing games because I'm a GT fan, and some fanboyism shouldn't be misinterpretated as a total GT addiction and absolute denial of other racing games.welshgtlover
Cheers,
the Interceptor
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Just copied this thread from the Official Xbox UK Magazine forum:
Forza Demo-thread
From what I saw of the exclusive trailer on Gametrailers (Forza Demo-Trailer), I didn't think i was that hot. I own both a PS2 and Xbox (both bought them on launch-day) so I'm not being fanboy-ish.
If you read Barred comments:
- no enviromental mapping
- cars feel like there on ice
- A.I. that has no regard for your car
I know GT4 will be great.
I have no clue what Forza will be about. It could still be a good game, but I have enough "good" games. I only want the best.
Forza Demo-thread
From what I saw of the exclusive trailer on Gametrailers (Forza Demo-Trailer), I didn't think i was that hot. I own both a PS2 and Xbox (both bought them on launch-day) so I'm not being fanboy-ish.
If you read Barred comments:
- no enviromental mapping
- cars feel like there on ice
- A.I. that has no regard for your car
I know GT4 will be great.
I have no clue what Forza will be about. It could still be a good game, but I have enough "good" games. I only want the best.
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Forza has some great features that are missing in GT4. But that are not enough reasons for me, to buy a XBox. There are 2 great Racing-Sims coming out in early 05 for PS2, so that i don't have to get a third one on a completely different system. But i will get the chance to play Forza as often as i want, because a good friend of mine will get it! Then i have the best chance to compare Forza, GT4 and Enthusia. But what i've seen till now, GT4 seems to become the best one. But let's wait 2 further months and we will see!
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Well, I can only hope that Forza isn't any good, because then I'll have to go out and buy another stupid console for one game... 
http://www.forzamotorsport.net is now live. It's the official Forza website. Great deal of info. The car model are also much better.
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relioIf GT4 is out, noone will ever talk about Forza! I saw a few vids of Forza an it didn´t impressed me! I don´t like the graphics.
Everyone talked about PGR2 "What a great Game" - it sucked!!!
So it will go, whe Forza comes out!
relio
GT4 Lover!
PGR was a different kinda game to GT and Forza, however, I dont share your views on it, it was far from a 'sucking' game... I loved it and still play it now, great fun online too!
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code_kev
And what about the AI?
I'll check out the demo for myself. I experienced the same thing just before PGR2 was released. You start to read negative comments on a game by people who like to make a mountain out of a molehill. I don't care how many frames per seconde a game runs (my eyes aren't that sensitive), but it has to give me a solid drive, nice graphics, decent AI and some great engine noises. I don't care about damage, because I only use the bumper-cam.
PGR2 looked great, but the cars when from understeer to oversteer to violently.
Toca Race driver 2 looked great, but there wasn't enough feedback from the car (they all seem to have a light front-end). The car damage was better then PGR2, because you could actually wreck the car. When you drive into a barrier at 150 mph it tends to be more realistic then just bouncing back onto the road.
I think the damage in Forza will only be superficial and not terminal like in TRD2.
relioIf GT4 is out, noone will ever talk about Forza! I saw a few vids of Forza an it didn´t impressed me! I don´t like the graphics.
Everyone talked about PGR2 "What a great Game" - it sucked!!!
So it will go, whe Forza comes out!
relio
GT4 Lover!
I wouldn't say PGR 2 sucked. However, I don't think it was a great game. I very much dislike the vehicle acquisition system. I far prefer GT's system of purchasing cars and getting prize cars for winning events. GT just does a great job of making you feel like you actually own the cars. Whereas in PGR 2, it seems more like you're just unlocking the cars. It's a subtle difference, but it makes all the difference in the world in terms of suspension of belief.
Also, I wasn't a huge fan of the car physics. I think they were too realistic for an arcade racer, and not realistic enough for a sim racer. Although the Need For Speed series treads the same line, I think they do a better job of it.
It did have some excellent graphics (Better than the Forza demo) and the custom soundtrack feature is awesome for driving games. As of now though, my favourite XBOX racer is Burnout 3 by a country mile.
edit: The Forza website is awesome!! The little flash stickshift is gold!
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Just read this on IGN, I like the sound of this!! 👍
"What's more, as a kind of extension of the Xbox Live Friend's List, you'll get to create your own Car Clubs online, enabling racers to set up their own tournaments, rallies, and freee runs, all based on a customizable set of options. So, if you wanted to create your own Mustang club, or a 355 Ferrari Club, or a Viper Club, you can do it. If you've earned 100 cars and several of them are Nissan 350Zs, you can get on Xbox Live and find somebody to trade your car with. I likened the system to Forza MotorSport eTrade, but MGS likes to compare it more to Pokemon. Either way, online or offline, there is a rich trading system for gamers to dig into. Overall, the amount of optimization is quite overwhelming. "
You guys can't deny that sounds like a top feature!!!!
"What's more, as a kind of extension of the Xbox Live Friend's List, you'll get to create your own Car Clubs online, enabling racers to set up their own tournaments, rallies, and freee runs, all based on a customizable set of options. So, if you wanted to create your own Mustang club, or a 355 Ferrari Club, or a Viper Club, you can do it. If you've earned 100 cars and several of them are Nissan 350Zs, you can get on Xbox Live and find somebody to trade your car with. I likened the system to Forza MotorSport eTrade, but MGS likes to compare it more to Pokemon. Either way, online or offline, there is a rich trading system for gamers to dig into. Overall, the amount of optimization is quite overwhelming. "
You guys can't deny that sounds like a top feature!!!!
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code_kevThe Ai was pretty poo.
From what I've read the damage will be performance effecting, but to what extent? I no know
btw website says over 250 cars in forza now
Exactly! I mean, damage is cool...but I don't know if it's a feature I really want in a driving game. Boxing game, sure! But a racing game?
I mean, can you bend the rims, bang up the fenders so they actually rub the tire, bend the control arms/axel, messup the mechanics under the car? There are a lot of possibilities and options for damage. Having said that, what are the extent of the crashes. Will they be like GT where it's less flashy or more arcade style like Daytona USA or Burnout? That will make a big difference as to the how damage will effect the game. Will you be able to wreck your car to the point you're out of the race? Also, will you be able to turn it off?
Honestly, I really don't care for damage effecting performance. The whole point of a video game is for me to be able to drive without consequences. I can see how it would be cool when racing against multiple people. But on the whole, it's not a big deal to me. I know they're putting it into GT5, but it doesn't make a difference to me one way or the other.
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So I take it you won't be buying GT5 then?
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Damage in racing games owns. Theres nothing like slamming a £200k car in to a wall at 150 mph and watching it smash apart. Who's with me!?!?
Real cars get damaged, that's why sims should have damage.
And yes, you can turn it off in forza. I DOUBT it will be how you described, but would be cool if it was
Real cars get damaged, that's why sims should have damage.
And yes, you can turn it off in forza. I DOUBT it will be how you described, but would be cool if it was
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welshgtloverSo I take it you won't be buying GT5 then?
No, not at all. I'm just saying that it's not a factor in what makes a game better/worse for me. That's all. As of now, I plan on getting GT5, but since we have yet to see GT4, I think it's a bit premature.
code_kevDamage in racing games owns. Theres nothing like slamming a £200k car in to a wall at 150 mph and watching it smash apart. Who's with me!?!?
Real cars get damaged, that's why sims should have damage.
And yes, you can turn it off in forza. I DOUBT it will be how you described, but would be cool if it was
The damage in the Forza demo is cool, but I hate the damage in games like PGR.
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I agree with you 100% code_kev..
I don't mind if car damage is in a game or not, but GT has this big slogan "The Real Driving Simulator" Maybe it should read "The Real Driving Simulator, So long as you don't crash".. Having said that they could make 10 GT games, all without damage, I would still buy 'em all!!!
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I don't mind if car damage is in a game or not, but GT has this big slogan "The Real Driving Simulator" Maybe it should read "The Real Driving Simulator, So long as you don't crash".. Having said that they could make 10 GT games, all without damage, I would still buy 'em all!!!
EDIT :Spelling error
