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Besides KY has said GT5 will havwe damage, and we know he won't do it if it's half arsed, so we can be rpetty confident if damage really does make it into GT5, it WILL be top notch.
 
live4speed
Besides KY has said GT5 will havwe damage, and we know he won't do it if it's half arsed, so we can be rpetty confident if damage really does make it into GT5, it WILL be top notch.
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Yep, but if it can't be, like online in GT4, they'll scrap it rather then putting a halfway done product into the game.
 
Swift
Yep, but if it can't be, like online in GT4, they'll scrap it rather then putting a halfway done product into the game.
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There are a few half-arsed things in GT like the arcade mode, the A.I., and the fuel consumption.

The fact that you can only race 2 convertibles at a time (with the top down) seems kind of wierd as well.

That's mostly nitpicking, but I'm just saying that no game is without it's faults.
 
kinigitt
There are a few half-arsed things in GT like the arcade mode, the A.I., and the fuel consumption.

The fact that you can only race 2 convertibles at a time (with the top down) seems kind of wierd as well.

That's mostly nitpicking, but I'm just saying that no game is without it's faults.
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Well, AI is a touchy thing. you make it too good, nobody can win. To stupid and it can get boring or annoying quickly.

The 2 convertibles makes sense to me. Since they show so much driver interaction in the replays and what not.
 
kinigitt
There are a few half-arsed things in GT like the arcade mode, the A.I., and the fuel consumption.

The fact that you can only race 2 convertibles at a time (with the top down) seems kind of wierd as well.

That's mostly nitpicking, but I'm just saying that no game is without it's faults.
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True, but they're hardly going to make GT4 with no AI are they, as for the convertibles having their tops down I've seen in races with 6 cars the odd convertible with it's hood down.
 
live4speed
True, but they're hardly going to make GT4 with no AI are they, as for the convertibles having their tops down I've seen in races with 6 cars the odd convertible with it's hood down.
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I know I know...

Wait...you can race convertibles with the top down in full grids? That's good to hear!
 
I don't know about in the arcade mode, but in the GT universe I've been in a race and seen AI cars with the hoods down yes, I've not found the option to take the hood down for myself but tbh I haven't tried since I never get long to play GT4 at my mates I tend to just race.
 
just noticed a FERRARI 360 Modena in a video available from http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/682/682857/vids_1.html)

how did microsoft attain the licence to include the ITALIAN STALLION? thought it was privileged to EA or acclaim??? PD should be knocking on the doors of maranello for GT5.


also, just a comment re: Forza vs GT4... i think the competition should be healthy for both parties. they'll push each other in terms of development and features (damage, visual customisation, etc)
 
r_k_tek
just noticed a FERRARI 360 Modena in a video available from http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/682/682857/vids_1.html)

how did microsoft attain the licence to include the ITALIAN STALLION? thought it was privileged to EA or acclaim??? PD should be knocking on the doors of maranello for GT5.


also, just a comment re: Forza vs GT4... i think the competition should be healthy for both parties. they'll push each other in terms of development and features (damage, visual customisation, etc)
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Ferrari and Porsche are both licensed and included in Forza Motorsport.

Microsoft simply paid for the licenses. They had a righteous Ferrari lineup in PGR2 (in fact, there were at least 3 more available in downloadable content after it was released), so it would be logical that they kept the Italian powerhouse to entice customers.

Sony and PD didn't cough up the cash, so they got shafted. Too bad, I want to see the "Italian stallion" in Gran Turismo above any other game.
 
does anybody here have any experience with Fanatec products? They have a speedster 3 force shock wheel for PS2, I'm wondering if it's any good, for reference.
 
kinigitt
Ferrari and Porsche are both licensed and included in Forza Motorsport.

Microsoft simply paid for the licenses. They had a righteous Ferrari lineup in PGR2 (in fact, there were at least 3 more available in downloadable content after it was released), so it would be logical that they kept the Italian powerhouse to entice customers.

Sony and PD didn't cough up the cash, so they got shafted. Too bad, I want to see the "Italian stallion" in Gran Turismo above any other game.
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Exactly. If they pay, they'll get it, simple as that. EA is not an enemy of Sony, many of their games are published on PS1, PS2 and on future PS3.
 
Lambo88
Exactly. If they pay, they'll get it, simple as that. EA is not an enemy of Sony, many of their games are published on PS1, PS2 and on future PS3.
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I don´t think it is simple as that. I mean, if games like PGR2 and Forza are worth the money spent to have Ferrari´s and Porsches why wouldn´t GT4 be? It´s not like they´re just a couple of car manufacturers, Sony and PD know that it would be a GREAT addiction to the series, and it would make the game sell much more.
 
The thing is, like you say, not as simple as that. It's just that Sony, before paying such a slice, are gonna evaluate if its worth the price. And in this case, it's not. Why? Because Sony knows they will sell lots of copies no matter what because GT has one of the hugest Fanbase, if not the biggest of all videogame. Take GT3 for example. i tought it was a marvelous game when I just got it but now, I realise there were major flaws and half-butched things in this game. but I bought it nevertheless, like many people did. Basically, GT fans will buy any game with the GT logo on it even if there is barely 100 cars (of those 20 are Skylines) and 5 tracks at any price and still praise it like it's the second coming of J-C. And also because the Asian market and many kids who pay much more respect to an Integra Type-R than a Murcielago represent a huge part of their public, and those people don't care about anything but Civics, Eclipses, EVOs,Skylines and Vin Diesel.
 
Everybody can look back at gt3 and say its bad and they nittpick the (many) flaws it had- but it still was a damn good game, better than any racing game of its time, and remained that for some time afterwards.
 
DappaDaRealist
Everybody can look back at gt3 and say its bad and they nittpick the (many) flaws it had- but it still was a damn good game, better than any racing game of its time, and remained that for some time afterwards.
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Quite true.

It happens to every game on the top. People grow to resent the constant praise and hype. GT3 was in no way perfection as many people touted it to be though.
 
it just wasn't worth sony's money to pay for the rights to these cars.

Why? So a few people can play some overrated cars?

For the same amount of money, they can probably put in 10 cars to each Porsche or Lambo.

And for the record "lambo"...F&F was not popular in asia...so vin diesel is hardly the concern of their racing scene. If anything america has shamed the import scene...thiers is clean and much better than our own. We polluted it. And of course they like the cars of their own country, it's how things work. Why do you think Mustangs and such were so pupluar during the 60's/70s'? Surely just not because. Look at the BIG picture here.

Anyway, having either of those two brands would not have brought in a crowd of new people, it would have been a waste of money.
 
DappaDaRealist
Everybody can look back at gt3 and say its bad and they nittpick the (many) flaws it had- but it still was a damn good game, better than any racing game of its time, and remained that for some time afterwards.
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I enjoyed GT3 a lot, my favorite racing game to date...
 
tha_con
it just wasn't worth sony's money to pay for the rights to these cars.

Why? So a few people can play some overrated cars?

For the same amount of money, they can probably put in 10 cars to each Porsche or Lambo.

And for the record "lambo"...F&F was not popular in asia...so vin diesel is hardly the concern of their racing scene. If anything america has shamed the import scene...thiers is clean and much better than our own. We polluted it. And of course they like the cars of their own country, it's how things work. Why do you think Mustangs and such were so pupluar during the 60's/70s'? Surely just not because. Look at the BIG picture here.

Anyway, having either of those two brands would not have brought in a crowd of new people, it would have been a waste of money.
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Ferraris are not a waste of money. They're automotive icons that have shaped motorsports history. They're benchmarks for styling, performance and technology.

They're very special cars, and calling them overrated is a little narrow. Just because rich ********s drive around in them does not discredit the fact that Ferrari makes some of the best cars in the world.
 
Even looking at the videos of Forza they can't even begin to match up with GT4. I think comparing the two is like comparing something like Soul Calibur 2 with Celebrity death match.
 
Sad it before, I'll say it again:

Microsoft took exclusive Ferrari and Porsche licence during year 2000., prior to release of Xbox console, and during the development of first Project Gotham game. Bizzare Sudios (developer of PG series) does not have rights - Microsoft Games (publisher of the game) has them. They've just transferred to rights to Forza game, as Microsoft Games is publisher of Forza too.

As for other companies, will have to see is the EA still a holder to rights - last "normal" NFS game had few models, but no words have been out from back then.

Only company that has the rights to brand the game as "Official Ferrari Scuderia Product" is Sega's studio AM2 with their Outrun game series (so far relased on arcades and Xbox, and Outrun 2 "value pack" being released less then month ago). AM2 was the developer of F355 Challenge games for arcades, Dramcast consoles (released for PS2 during 2002.), and game was was always credited as "the best ever represent of Ferrari driving model and spirit" from Maranello HQ.

But, I don't think that money for licence is the problem for Sony. They know what would Ferrari do for the sales of GT series and what would do to the whole competition in the genre. There are other two reasons I think Ferrari is not in the game:

- japanese patriotism - GT series will always promote the values of Japanese automotive industry. Having Ferrari in the game would outshine all the other manufactorers and probably take oall the spotlights to the F. I just think that some people form Nissan, Toyota and Honda could maybe have something agaist F., and

- Ferrari's TRUE specs - other idea is that Ferrari just don't want to agree with the fact that some other cars - preferablly much cheaper or in lower-class then Ferrari (as "tend-to-real" prices were always a big part in GT series, as the fact we all do know the majority of prices outhere) - can be better car, faster car and bettr handling then Ferrari. Guess that something like that is just not acceptable from marketing point of view. Notice that Ferrari was always the "best car" in all games mentioned, or the only car available.

Those to points could be some explanation for lack of Ferrari, and maybe same goes for Porsche.
 
Hello all,

I've just joined these forums so, err, hello!

To add my 2p to this debate - is it really that important whether Forza or GT is better? I come from an xbox background, so I will get Forza when it is released, but on the other hand I've just bought a PS2 purely to play GT4.

Surely the quality of the two games (which can only be judged after repeated play of both) will decide which one is remembered as the best. My money's on GT4, but time will tell.
 
I like how playing online can earn you cash to spend offline, and how you can even sell your car online! Very cool imo.

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox/driving/forzamotorsport/media.html

note wheel interview. It LOOKS FF, he says it is.

Ferrari's TRUE specs - other idea is that Ferrari just don't want to agree with the fact that some other cars - preferablly much cheaper or in lower-class then Ferrari (as "tend-to-real" prices were always a big part in GT series, as the fact we all do know the majority of prices outhere) - can be better car, faster car and bettr handling then Ferrari. Guess that something like that is just not acceptable from marketing point of view. Notice that Ferrari was always the "best car" in all games mentioned, or the only car available.
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I call BS. In PGR2 the speed 12 was better then the enzo(there were also many "cheaper cars" like the m12 that gave most ferraris a good beating too), and outrun has allways had a tradition of using ferraris :crazy:
 
amar212
...But, I don't think that money for licence is the problem for Sony. They know what would Ferrari do for the sales of GT series and what would do to the whole competition in the genre. There are other two reasons I think Ferrari is not in the game:

- japanese patriotism - GT series will always promote the values of Japanese automotive industry. Having Ferrari in the game would outshine all the other manufactorers and probably take oall the spotlights to the F. I just think that some people form Nissan, Toyota and Honda could maybe have something agaist F., and

- Ferrari's TRUE specs - other idea is that Ferrari just don't want to agree with the fact that some other cars - preferablly much cheaper or in lower-class then Ferrari (as "tend-to-real" prices were always a big part in GT series, as the fact we all do know the majority of prices outhere) - can be better car, faster car and bettr handling then Ferrari. Guess that something like that is just not acceptable from marketing point of view. Notice that Ferrari was always the "best car" in all games mentioned, or the only car available.

Those to points could be some explanation for lack of Ferrari, and maybe same goes for Porsche.
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Amar, I think you may have just hit the nail on the head and I don't think anyone here would disagree with you!
 

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