Forza

[DelBoy]

thats a nice car list!

 

[vg132se]

There was a #43 Fina McLaren F1 driven by Peter Kox, Roberto Ravaglia and Eric Hélary, here is a picture of the car and more information http://www.racingsportscars.com/photo/Le_Mans-1997-06-15-photo.html (scroll down to car nr 43).
Nice list, cant wait for the game to be released, just hope that can fix all the bugs in time...

/Viktor

 

[Satorian]

I've just been proven utterly wrong. What I said was nonsense then.

Got a warm, fuzzy feeling from reading the the name 'Ravaglia' though. Watched a DTM '89 documentary/season recap recently. Good times.

I wonder why neither PD nor MGS show any love for the E30 M3.

 

[kinigitt]

I wonder what enthusia's car list is like. It's the game I'm secretly anticipating the most, but there's so little press about it that I can't really get excited.

And as far as the list goes: is it CERTAIN that the list is FINAL? Because I posted a near identical list in the xbox forum that actually had more confirmed cars, not to mention the fact that there are some really key cars missing.

And about street BMWs, the only one I've seen confirmed for forza is the Z4 3.0, which, strangely enough, isn't on this list.

 

[McLaren]

The McLaren F1 is the BMW GTR same as in GT4.

Actually, the Fina F1 GTR is that Team Schnizter one.

However, the Davidoff (Gulf) one is still missing.

 

[McLaren]

I wonder what enthusia's car list is like. It's the game I'm secretly anticipating the most, but there's so little press about it that I can't really get excited.

And as far as the list goes: is it CERTAIN that the list is FINAL? Because I posted a near identical list in the xbox forum that actually had more confirmed cars, not to mention the fact that there are some really key cars missing.

And about street BMWs, the only one I've seen confirmed for forza is the Z4 3.0, which, strangely enough, isn't on this list.

Neither is Davidoff McLaren one.

I think that's only 231 cars out of the 250 one.

 

[HYBRIDLVR]

I'd buy it if it only had These cars!

2002 Ferrari 575M Maranello
2004 Ferrari 360 Modena
1964 Ferrari 250 GTO
2003 Enzo Ferrari
1995 Ferrari F50
1993 Ferrari 512 TR
1984 Ferrari GTO
1992 Ferrari F40
1967 Ferrari 330 P4
1969 Ferrari Dino 246 GT
1998 Ferrari 355 GTS
2005 Ferrari 612 Scaglietti
1996 Ferrari #12 Risi Competizione
1998 Ferrari F355 Challenge
2003 Ferrari #88 Veloqx Prodrive Racing 550 Maranello
2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale
1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS
1986 Porsche 959
2003 Porsche 911 GT3
2003 Porsche Carrera GT
1998 Porsche #26 911 GT1 Le Mans
1956 Porsche 550 A Spyder
1987 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3
1989 Porsche 944 Turbo
1987 Porsche #17 962 C
1995 Porsche 911 GT2
2003 Porsche Boxster S
2003 Porsche 3R-Racing 911 GT3 Cup Driven by Mike Fitzgerald
2000 Porsche #23 Alex Job Racing 911GT3 👍 👍 👍

 

[kinigitt]

Neither is Davidoff McLaren one.

I think that's only 231 cars out of the 250 one.

these were a pleasant surprise though:

1987 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3
1989 Porsche 944 Turbo

 

[McLaren]

these were a pleasant surprise though:

1987 Porsche 911 Turbo 3.3
1989 Porsche 944 Turbo

Oh baby, those are nice. Although there isn't a Turbo S, a Turbo is stil just as good. 👍

 

[Latka]

I was under the impression that all 1989 Porsche 944 Turbos were built to the S spec... M030 (?) Suspension and all that good stuff.

 

[Wright1331]

WELL for one I dont see the problem if this game were to be better than GT4, Even thought I really doubt it.

Come on now, would anyone really have any complaints if there was something better than GT4??? If it is better then horray for everone, that can only be a good thing. I would give sony something more to shoot for, and would probably give them some new ideas. Like if both games have strong point and then they both steal each others ideas, that could only lead to a better game for US. We are what its all about, Its NOT about the company.

I just want to play the best game, I dont really care who makes it!

 

[KoukiFC3S]

so does that steering wheel have real FF?

 

[Latka]

I'm excited to see Forza. Looks like they have a *lot* of good ideas going in the game. Hopefully someday the GT series will be online as well. ...and have damage.

 

[agentlongwood]

there is a playable demo out for forza and they have it at the EB near my apartment. It does not look anywhere NEAR as good as those screenshots. When I played it I asked the guys who worked there what was up with that and they actually said "dude I know, this game is kinda sucky" In person it does not live up to the screenshots and looks marginaly better than GT3 not GT4. Control wise its not as good as Gran turismo. The sound is amazing however. I dont know what they did but the motors sound awsome and accurate in forza.

 

[BPC]

I don't think so. #42 and #43 are traditionally M3's and I think Schnitzer didn't prepare the FINA McLaren BMW. And the LMR is another car as well.

I think it's missing from the list.



And I still wonder about the lack of street legal BMWs.

Actually Schnitzer prepares all the Team BMW Motorsport cars. #42 and #43 are FINA McLaren F1 GTR's from the 1997 LeMans 24Hour race. Also the V12 LMR's were prepared by Team Schnitzer
You can nearly say BMW Motorsport is Team Schnitzer!

 

[Gilly]

WELL for one I dont see the problem if this game were to be better than GT4, Even thought I really doubt it.

Come on now, would anyone really have any complaints if there was something better than GT4??? If it is better then horray for everone, that can only be a good thing. I would give sony something more to shoot for, and would probably give them some new ideas. Like if both games have strong point and then they both steal each others ideas, that could only lead to a better game for US. We are what its all about, Its NOT about the company.

I just want to play the best game, I dont really care who makes it!

I'll have to agree with you there Wright and have made a similar point on the Enthusia thread, however you cannot blame people for being sceptical (myself included) about other games that claim to be real contenders to rival GT4.

Can anyone say "Sega GT" Gran Turismo beater I think not and you have to remember that this is the 4th time round for the PD Team and each time they are pushing the limits with more than just a few new cars or tracks with possibly the exception of GT3 as let's be honest asside from the graphics, 60 fps and tweaked physics it didn't really offer anything new compared to GT2. Don't get me wrong I'm still playing the game as much today as I was on release but that is a pretty fair coment.

The experience and budget the team has at their disposal for GT4 and the future GT5 is far greater than other developers can muster and the quality of GT4 reflects this leaving the competion playing catchup in a big way.

 

[T5-R]

I'll have to agree with you there Wright and have made a similar point on the Enthusia thread, however you cannot blame people for being sceptical (myself included) about other games that claim to be real contenders to rival GT4.

Can anyone say "Sega GT" Gran Turismo beater I think not and you have to remember that this is the 4th time round for the PD Team and each time they are pushing the limits with more than just a few new cars or tracks with possibly the exception of GT3 as let's be honest asside from the graphics, 60 fps and tweaked physics it didn't really offer anything new compared to GT2. Don't get me wrong I'm still playing the game as much today as I was on release but that is a pretty fair coment.

Well atleast Sega GT got online mode before Gran Turismo

 

[Gilly]

Well atleast Sega GT got online mode before Gran Turismo

Wow! and all the servers were empty because it was crap

 

[Symtex]

I'll have to agree with you there Wright and have made a similar point on the Enthusia thread, however you cannot blame people for being sceptical (myself included) about other games that claim to be real contenders to rival GT4.

Can anyone say "Sega GT" Gran Turismo beater I think not and you have to remember that this is the 4th time round for the PD Team and each time they are pushing the limits with more than just a few new cars or tracks with possibly the exception of GT3 as let's be honest asside from the graphics, 60 fps and tweaked physics it didn't really offer anything new compared to GT2. Don't get me wrong I'm still playing the game as much today as I was on release but that is a pretty fair coment.

The experience and budget the team has at their disposal for GT4 and the future GT5 is far greater than other developers can muster and the quality of GT4 reflects this leaving the competion playing catchup in a big way.

Although Sega GT was far from having the same scope as GT series, I thought it wasn't a bad product just missing the overall finish product quality that PD had.

Don't put too much hype on GT5. the track record of PD has show that the 1st installement on new hardware was nothing but little overhaul of the previous version (GT3 anyone ?).

Forza is aimed at a different racing crowd. I think it's going to be hard to get a non-bias opinion around here since everyone's mind is set to Forza is going to failed from the get go. Some people always see the overall picture and potention of a game when they played a demo, some people only see what the demo has to offer. With that being said, The forza demo was far from perfect but you can see the title has enormous potential. I remember trying the RSC2 demo and it's was meh compare to the final product. Forza will failed in the same category.

In GT4 prologue and GT4 Japanese demo i was able to run pretty good lap after 10 mins. In Forza it took me an hour or two before i could have one lap without spinning or going off-road. For once a game will punish you for going full throttle while going thru a corner. Also locking the break before a turn will be your death in this game. I will agree that the game still needs some tweak but i love the way the game force you to think and to learn the track before being able to perform. I missed that from the GT series.

 

[T5-R]

Wow! and all the servers were empty because it was crap

Gotta admit, I've never actually played Sega GT Online, online Although thats because I don't pay for Xbox live.

I quite like Sega GT 2002/Online but its handling annoys me too much, still it has some cool features.

 

[Gek54]

The experience and budget the team has at their disposal for GT4 and the future GT5 is far greater than other developers can muster and the quality of GT4 reflects this leaving the competion playing catchup in a big way.

Enthusia, Forza and TOCA2 are putting some serious heat on GT series. Dont underestimate the competition because a previous contender failed so misserably.

Forza is aimed at a different racing crowd.

What? A more serious racing crowd?

 

[Symtex]

What? A more serious racing crowd?

they are aiming at racing simulation more then driving simulation. They are also counting on strong online community features, Train your own A.I, Body mods and custom paint jobs. None of those features are in the GT Series.

 

[Gek54]

they are aiming at racing simulation more then driving simulation. They are also counting on strong online community features, Train your own A.I, Body mods and custom paint jobs. None of those features are in the GT Series.

What is the difference between a racing simulation and driving simulation?

So GT is geard toward the crowd that likes stupid AI, no online play, not having options to modify body parts and paint jobs? I wasnt aware that such a crowd existed.

 

[Symtex]

What is the difference between a racing simulation and driving simulation?

So GT is geard toward the crowd that likes stupid AI, no online play, not having options to modify body parts and paint jobs? I wasnt aware that such a crowd existed.

This is why i don't post often anymore. It's because of people like you that comes here and turn every post inside out just to stir up ****. I never said anything against the GT series.

 

[TigJackson]

there is a playable demo out for forza and they have it at the EB near my apartment.....

I am a video game racing enthusiast, and as such, I was looking forward to the release of Forza.
I bought the Doom 3 issue of the Official Xbox Magazine for the sole purpose of trying out the Forza
Demo. I played it extensively for about a week and I must say that I was NOT impressed.

These are some of the things that I noticed in the Demo that I did not like:

1. The tires glitch right through the body of the car.
2. When your car’s bumper is supposedly touching that of the car in front of yours...they appear to be several feet apart.
3. Crashing repeatedly into the opponent cars seems to cause a tremendous amount of superficial damage to the car, as
well as severe mental damage to the driver, because he proceeds to drive around Laguna Seca, in REVERSE!
4. I didn't think that being able to drive THROUGH cars while trying to simulate a massive head-on collision was very realistic?
5. Running lap times in the 1'12.xxx”-1'13.xxx” range around Laguna Seca in a completely (superficially) demolished Ferrari #12
Risi Competizione F333SP is not realistic.
6. The plethora of sparks when cars are close to each other during the replays is freaky....what's causing them?!
7. The track map, a partial map with huge globs indicating car positions, rotates as you turn.

This is what I liked about the Demo:

1. I played it for a week and sold it to my next door neighbor....nothing lost except my time.

The Forza fanboys claim that this Demo is a circa E3 build, and that everything will be improved,
but due to the recent Bill Gates CES “Out of System Memory” fiasco, and Conan O’Brien’s Buick
cruising along at about 3 FPS when using that wheel, Forza has become a definite MUST RENT
FIRST for me....Never leave a road for a trail!

There is a flood of new users on GameFaq’s, obvious M$ plants, that claim that there will be levels
of damage on Forza that will affect car handling, etc., and that it will be playable on Xbox Live!.
I own TOCA Race Driver 2 and Project Gotham Racing 2, both with online capability, and I for one,
don’t care whatsoever for this online mode, and I will not pay M$ additional $$$$ for this function,
or for the expected downloadable upgrades. TOCA and PGR2 are entertaining, but for many
reasons, they do not have the long lasting replay value of any of the games in the GT series.
Only time will tell if Forza will turn out good enough to be the “GT Killer” that M$ fanboys claim that it is.

 

[Symtex]

I am a video game racing enthusiast, and as such, I was looking forward to the release of Forza.
I bought the Doom 3 issue of the Official Xbox Magazine for the sole purpose of trying out the Forza
Demo. I played it extensively for about a week and I must say that I was NOT impressed.

These are some of the things that I noticed in the Demo that I did not like:

1. The tires glitch right through the body of the car.
2. When your car’s bumper is supposedly touching that of the car in front of yours...they appear to be several feet apart.
3. Crashing repeatedly into the opponent cars seems to cause a tremendous amount of superficial damage to the car, as
well as severe mental damage to the driver, because he proceeds to drive around Laguna Seca, in REVERSE!
4. I didn't think that being able to drive THROUGH cars while trying to simulate a massive head-on collision was very realistic?
5. Running lap times in the 1'12.xxx”-1'13.xxx” range around Laguna Seca in a completely (superficially) demolished Ferrari #12
Risi Competizione F333SP is not realistic.
6. The plethora of sparks when cars are close to each other during the replays is freaky....what's causing them?!
7. The track map, a partial map with huge globs indicating car positions, rotates as you turn.

This is what I liked about the Demo:

1. I played it for a week and sold it to my next door neighbor....nothing lost except my time.

The Forza fanboys claim that this Demo is a circa E3 build, and that everything will be improved,
but due to the recent Bill Gates CES “Out of System Memory” fiasco, and Conan O’Brien’s Buick
cruising along at about 3 FPS when using that wheel, Forza has become a definite MUST RENT
FIRST for me....Never leave a road for a trail!

There is a flood of new users on GameFaq’s, obvious M$ plants, that claim that there will be levels
of damage on Forza that will affect car handling, etc., and that it will be playable on Xbox Live!.
I own TOCA Race Driver 2 and Project Gotham Racing 2, both with online capability, and I for one,
don’t care whatsoever for this online mode, and I will not pay M$ additional $$$$ for this function,
or for the expected downloadable upgrades. TOCA and PGR2 are entertaining, but for many
reasons, they do not have the long lasting replay value of any of the games in the GT series.
Only time will tell if Forza will turn out good enough to be the “GT Killer” that M$ fanboys claim that it is.

Yes the demo is very old. at least 6 month olds. the demo was far from perfect but you have to realize that the damage level was set to cosmetic in the demo. the game will feature 3 level of customization for damage. I don't know how you were able to drive thru a car ? I've done plenty of head-to-head colission. I have heard the game will have this ghost feature online to prevent backward racers.

I have seen the BSOD too and that is the reason why the game was delay. Mr. Gates has been knowed for his none-luck in live presentation. Win98 anyone ?

I do agree on some of the poits thought regarding the map inteface and some of the little graphics glitches i have seen. I would like to point out that PGR2 is an arcade racer and has nothing to do in this discussion. I will accept TOCA2 has a valid point of comparaison.

I'm not worry about the little glitches and bug in a 6 month old demo. I've seen far worst before. The game show really good potential but unless you are bias towards GT series you will never see it.

 

[Gilly]

Enthusia, Forza and TOCA2 are putting some serious heat on GT series. Dont underestimate the competition because a previous contender failed so misserably.

How long ago was GT1 released?

How many other racing games in the timeframe between then and now have surpased any GT game?

Sega GT was just 1 example, if you would have taken time to read my post you would see I have no problem accepting other games can compete, it's just none have.

 

[Gek54]

How long ago was GT1 released?

How many other racing games in the timeframe between then and now have surpased any GT game?

Sega GT was just 1 example, if you would have taken time to read my post you would see I have no problem accepting other games can compete, it's just none have.

1. In 1998 so about 6 years go.

2. In what respect?

3. You did imply that no other team could ever have a budget or enough experience to create a better game than the latest GT. The competition is not just playing catch up, they are already pushing beyond.

 

[Satorian]

How long ago was GT1 released?

How many other racing games in the timeframe between then and now have surpased any GT game?

Sega GT was just 1 example, if you would have taken time to read my post you would see I have no problem accepting other games can compete, it's just none have.

Depends on what you are looking for. As I'm out for realism, a whole slew of racing games surpassed any GT in my opinion.




It's weird how some people put blind trust in either side. Both will eventually be released and we will be able to try both.



Forza should better come with an USB adapter for my steering wheels though, because I'm not going to play with a pad or buy yet another wheel and a cheap one at that.

 

[Stune]

Depends on what you are looking for. As I'm out for realism, a whole slew of racing games surpassed any GT in my opinion.




It's weird how some people put blind trust in either side. Both will eventually be released and we will be able to try both.



Forza should better come with an USB adapter for my steering wheels though, because I'm not going to play with a pad or buy yet another wheel and a cheap one at that.

Forza is a good game no doubt about it , probally better than Enthusia but i doubt it would sell aswell as GT4. If GT4 ever gets released that is