Forza

Like it was said. Everyone has their personal opinion on games. Yes, this is a GT board, so most on here will vote down to Forza. However, if you like it and have an XBox, then get it. I have always loved the GT series and cannot wait for this new installment to arrive, but I'm thinking about getting an XBox just to play Forza just so I can see what they have done with their racing sim.

In the end, it is personal choice. As with religion, you can preach to someone all day about yours and it will never make them believe in it. So, choose your game(s) and have fun! At the end of the day, it is simply about having fun whether it be with GT4 or Forza.
 
GT Obsession
Like it was said. Everyone has their personal opinion on games. Yes, this is a GT board, so most on here will vote down to Forza. However, if you like it and have an XBox, then get it. I have always loved the GT series and cannot wait for this new installment to arrive, but I'm thinking about getting an XBox just to play Forza just so I can see what they have done with their racing sim.

In the end, it is personal choice. As with religion, you can preach to someone all day about yours and it will never make them believe in it. So, choose your game(s) and have fun! At the end of the day, it is simply about having fun whether it be with GT4 or Forza.
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You hit the nail on the head there and it's all you will hear from me on the subject anymore because I'm not going to devote anymore energy to arguing on forum about a game. I only wanted to give my 2 cents on the subject of the game like everyone else so Gek and McLaren let's not split hairs o.k (myself included).

I have an XBOX and like I said at the begining if Forza is good I'll buy it too
 
I just think it's funny how some people say they have facts about a game or the game development and have absolutley no proof to back it up.

These latest screens are high res and look really, messed up. I mean, what's the point of taking a bunch of screens of cars OFF the track? I'm sure they're still tweaking it and all. But it really does look weak for this stage in the game.
 
Gek54
LOL, I dont think anyone knows what anyone is talking about anymore.
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It's simple, In the red corner you have the GT fanboys and in the blue corner you have the Forza defender. In the middle you have the Enthusia hypers. So what do you get : a bunch of none-sense emotional post.
 
Eldorado
Hehe got my Forzademo yesterday!Finally X-box got a realracer!(In some departments it´s way better than GT4)but lacks in other departments!but all in all a great game!
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I played it yesterday to see what all the hype was about...and it is pretty good. Not as polished as GT but it has potential. I have a feeling the final product still won't be as polished as GT but the driving is much more sim. Loading time was horrible though...was it just the demo I played?
 
IF Forza and GT4 were on the same system, then most of these arguments would be justified. However they are not. So what's the point of saying, "Forza has skid marks and damage so that makes it better then GT4” They aren't using the same hardware. It's like comparing C6 to a Porsche (Car and driver). They are aimed at different buyers and coming from different viewpoints on what really makes driving great. Some people like raw horsepower and the American "muscle" attitude. Some people like some more refinement attention to detail.

My point is these two games aren't even eligible to be on the same playing field. If they were cars, they'd be in separate classes and would NEVER meet in a sanctioned race. It would be like JGTC and NASCAR being on the same track at the same time. Not going to happen!

So, the next time you want to compare two upcoming games. Make sure they're on the same playing field.
 
Gek54
Well, Enthusia does have skidmarks but regardless of what the game is running on, we are comparing what these games allow us to enjoy.
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Ok, well if that's the case. How can people be so wrong all the time? I mean, you called me a communist in this thread not too long ago simply because I didn't find the umpteen different leagues in Forza or GT4 to be all that big of a deal. That's something about the game that I had an opinion about and suddenly, I'm a commie?

Make sure you practice what you preach there Gek.
 
Symtex
I did the same with GT4 but it wasn't good enough, it was my capture board who wan't good enough but Forza it's ok...you can go back to fanboy land. The game looks fine.
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I don't recall saying it was bad... but now that you've posted the 'bent f40' pic I will say that looks rather stupid. I tried hard to see the goodness in those screenshots but they are not even in the same league if visual prowess as GT4. I'm not even talking photomode here... Prologue had better looking graphics than those screenshots... but anyway.. it's nice to see real screenshots now.

It looks ok, nowhere near as good as it should look on that hardware.. and nowhere near as good as Forza lovers have tried to convince people. Who was it who was moaning about jaggies in GT4 about 30 pages ago? Perhaps you are going to be quiet after these latest screens.. and on better hardware too... :/

As for cars... the extra skylines/evo's for the most part are very easy to add... and it's kind of like saying "ok, we have this model and car data, with about 2hours work we can turn this into the slightly different 98 skyline, and then the 97 version too... lets do it". I have no problem with them doing this... infact I like it. If I owned a 99 skyline and all they had was the 97 I'd not enjoy things as much, and you have to realise it's next to no work to add those extras.. so why not?

True they could have taken all those extra few hours dotted around and added one or two completely new cars... but then again could they... as it would have required many people examining the car in reality and a huge amount of work... cars like that are just added in the last minute because they can do it easily.. absolutely nothing wrong it.

The only thing I do wonder about is the lack of the GT-Turbo 4 door R34 Skyline and the GTS-t R33... but then again they are completely different cars with different engines than GT-R's... oh well.

Oh and... RSC2? Control Pad? yawn.

I'll continue to play RBR with my DFP and have much more fun. It's amazing how much better rally games are with a decent wheel... it's even more of an improvement over a control pad than normal road racing games... you get so much feedback from the wheel you can control the car infinitely better. Plus half the time flooring the accelerator in RBR is suicidal and stupid... it's nice to have such control over it...
 
Oh and... RSC2? Control Pad? yawn.

I'll continue to play RBR with my DFP and have much more fun. It's amazing how much better rally games are with a decent wheel... it's even more of an improvement over a control pad than normal road racing games... you get so much feedback from the wheel you can control the car infinitely better. Plus half the time flooring the accelerator in RBR is suicidal and stupid... it's nice to have such control over it...
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Meh :P Granted a wheel is a nice feature, but RSC2 is quite a different game (it doesn't really need a wheel tbh), plus as a game it's far better made and a lot lot more fun to play. RBR bored the pants off me tbh.

P.s those F40 pics look arse, doesn't even look half as nice as the sexy pgr2 one :( sigh hope they improve it.
 
Wow...Forza looks pretty good, it just needs a LOT LOT LOT of help in the lighting department.

Other than that, I must say the trees look rather nice, although they look kinda fuzzy, like a "heavenly blur" thing going on (esp on the Nurb). It's a nice look though, not too realistic, but nice.
 
cobragt
swift, lets say gt4 is le mans and forza is fia racing :P
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Sure, however you like to classify it. As long as we realize they are different beasts.
 
Swift
Ok, well if that's the case. How can people be so wrong all the time? I mean, you called me a communist in this thread not too long ago simply because I didn't find the umpteen different leagues in Forza or GT4 to be all that big of a deal. That's something about the game that I had an opinion about and suddenly, I'm a commie?

Make sure you practice what you preach there Gek.
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As I said many times before, your self said you were 'ragging' on the fact that Forza had lots of different races you could choose from. This statement is grounded from communist ideals, hence the suggestion you might be a communiist. Since then all you have been doing is trying to downplay that comment and cover your ass. I dont know why you keep bringing it up, trying to save face on a videogame forum? Let it go and move on already, everyone else has.

What am I preaching that I have failed to practice and which people are wrong all the time?
 
Gek54
As I said many times before, your self said you were 'ragging' on the fact that Forza had lots of different races you could choose from. This statement is grounded from communist ideals, hence the suggestion you might be a communiist. Since then all you have been doing is trying to downplay that comment and cover your ass. I dont know why you keep bringing it up, trying to save face on a videogame forum? Let it go and move on already, everyone else has.

What am I preaching that I have failed to practice and which people are wrong all the time?
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Ragging on the fact that hundreds of leagues isn't a big deal to me is MY OPINION. I haven't classified you as a Fascist because you have an opinion. That's why I keep bringing it up. You can't possibly be ignorant enough to base the character of a person on one opinion they wrote in a video game forum....or are you? As I have said before, you wouldn't say that to my face. But over the internet you've got all kinds of guts.

Also, you keep slamming anyone else that says anything remotely negative about Forza like it can do no wrong. It's a game, period. GT4 will have flaws just like Forza will have flaws. God forbid someone bring out some potential flaws in Xbox's only viable driving/racing simulator.

My point is this, how is that statement grounded in communist ideals? I said "I don't think it's that big a deal. Either way” Now, I'm a commie because Gek54 just loves having lots of leagues in the game. Do me a favor, get over yourself and actually think about what someone else is saying. You've said several times that it's a video game forum and people should lighten up. Well, calling someone a communist is not light at all. That's what I meant by practicing what you preach.
 
TBH swift, it's like saying "oh I don't want my game to have 200 levels, and 100 different guns, give me 1 level and 1 gun and I'll be happy". Well abit extreme, but you see my point. How can more cool stuff NOT be better? I don't want a game then ends in half an hour, dunno about you. BTW I don't think it sounded communist, just silly XD.
 
code_kev
TBH swift, it's like saying "oh I don't want my game to have 200 levels, and 100 different guns, give me 1 level and 1 gun and I'll be happy". Well abit extreme, but you see my point. How can more cool stuff NOT be better? I don't want a game then ends in half an hour, dunno about you. BTW I don't think it sounded communist, just silly XD.
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Well, that makes a lot more sense then what Gek said.
 
cobragt
swift, lets say gt4 is le mans and forza is fia racing :P
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Okay, but FIA is the governing body that oversee's most types or races done today including WRC, Formula 1 and a lot of GT racing inluding the ALMS and LeMans 24hr. I do dissagre with that statement because Forza will not rule GT4, but I do find it incredibly funny that you've said it will ;), just having a dig at you, I know you've not meant that like it is.
 
The whole communist comment was an exageration to prove a point and that was the idea that your opinion, that it was bad to have a choice, was communistic in nature. I have not defended Forza against everything, only purely biased and unfounded bashings.
 
Gilly
You hit the nail on the head there and it's all you will hear from me on the subject anymore because I'm not going to devote anymore energy to arguing on forum about a game. I only wanted to give my 2 cents on the subject of the game like everyone else so Gek and McLaren let's not split hairs o.k (myself included).

I have an XBOX and like I said at the begining if Forza is good I'll buy it too
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I've looked back over your posts.

And its clear to me, you bring up something, someone challenges it, and you go back to saying something else.

Your 2 cents was enough. It was your fault that you continued to discuss it. I guess I'll have to get your post on your little money statement.

You obviously did have a clue who had more money to make a statement like that.
Gilly
I doubt the Budget for Enthusia or Forza combined get's close to GT4 and money is a big factor in any game as it dictates just how much you can do.
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Remember that statement? You better.
You were saying, the more money you got, the better to show what you can do.
No. Its better to see what you can do with less money. The better the game you make on a small budget, the better. If Enthusia proves to be better than GT4 with its small budget, that will make it the better game.
 
tha_con
Wow...Forza looks pretty good, it just needs a LOT LOT LOT of help in the lighting department.

Other than that, I must say the trees look rather nice, although they look kinda fuzzy, like a "heavenly blur" thing going on (esp on the Nurb). It's a nice look though, not too realistic, but nice.
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so you play anything yet? you said you were going to...
 
Gek54
The whole communist comment was an exageration to prove a point and that was the idea that your opinion, that it was bad to have a choice, was communistic in nature. I have not defended Forza against everything, only purely biased and unfounded bashings.
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Now who's covering his butt? Amazing how it can turn around so fast. How about we just not do the name calling thing and lighten up a be. By "we" I'm including myself.

Okay, but FIA is the governing body that oversee's most types or races done today including WRC, Formula 1 and a lot of GT racing inluding the ALMS and LeMans 24hr. I do dissagre with that statement because Forza will not rule GT4, but I do find it incredibly funny that you've said it will , just having a dig at you, I know you've not meant that like it is.
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Good point L4S. I'm not saying either one will be better. Instead I'm saying they are VERY different and need to be addressed as such.
 
McLaren F1GTR
Remember that statement? You better.
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Here's a statement for you to remember;)

McLaren who the Hell do you think you are? do you never learn when to stfu?, obviously not.

I make a post to end the stupidity of arguing over a game like alot of people seem to be doing and here you are again giving me **** instead of moving on.

It's the arrogance and attitude of people like you that spoil it for everyone else, because as I look back at your posts it just proves how arrogant you are, giving it the large one at every opportunity, what are you tring to prove and who are you trying to prove it to?

Your obviosly not mature enough to move on McLaren as I was prepared to do before which makes you rather pathetic, but if you like it hot you better put a flame retardent suit on;)
 
Why don't you try stfu for once? You made a post about each company's financial areas, I told you were wrong, and you went psycho and blamed me for saying it.


Learn to admit when wrong.


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