Forza3 can't be compared with GT5....

[TwentyValve]

Sorry but I just can't take you seriously. The first sentence I read of yours was you claiming that Forza 3 scoring so high was some kind of conspiracy with reviewers being paid off.

Drop the fanboy routine.

I claimed no such thing. It just sounds fishy to me.

Was the fanboy comment needed? In my experience, the first one to call "fanboy" IS the fanboy. Really, just because i dissagree with their review, from what i have experienced, i am a fanboy?

 

[Terronium-12]

I claimed no such thing. It just sounds fishy to me.

Was the fanboy comment needed? In my experience, the first one to call "fanboy" IS the fanboy. Really, just because i dissagree with their review, from what i have experienced, i am a fanboy?

Of course you are, duh.

Pay attention.

 

[ItsHim]

You have no idea what you're talking about. Inside SIM Racing is as elitist as they come.

According to their own standards - maybe.

I happily repeat it: those dudes don't know the first thing about Forza (2) and it was plain obvious they spent hardly any time with the franchise.

Good grief, Forza is all about the online community.

Just to quote from memory

"Oh, I upgraded my car and still can't be the Red Devil (aka AI driver in 1st place."

"Maybe I can sell my car at the Marketplace. I put some upgrades in it and if people see the stats they might buy it."

"Physics (of the stock cars I strongly suspect) are spot on."

Dear me, you couldn't be more ignorant of what makes Forza unique than those two.

That being said, Forza 3 will be in line with its predecessors but no review I read so far had the time (or skill) to judge whether the physics engine will survive the first four weeks of users tweaking the hell out of the cars.

So yes, Forza 3 will be brilliant, no I won't buy it because I'm tired of the franchise, yes I think GT5 will suit me more, no there's no sense in comparing those two.

 

[Chronos]

just played it for a bit.... Turn 10 did tried really hard to compete with PD.... but they failed at some really minor details from what I noticed... yes, they have reverse lights....BUT... they can't even get the California's brake light to light up correctly... if I'm ferrari, I wouldn't be too happy about it. it looks like they just rushed it and forgot to look at the details.

what I think of Forza so far is that its a fun game, but the developer definitely didn't put the heart into the game, but rather made it to please the community.

If you mean the location of the brake lights then Forza is correct. Watch the video.

PD added the car at the same time it launched for real so maybe they didn't have enough info at the time or they just assumed the brake lights are at the top. Not seen any country specification that is like the one in prologue.

 

[viejaloca]

GT5 isn't out yet so stop comparing. Only people who have played both F3 and GT5 should judge.

 

[Terronium-12]

GT5 isn't out yet so stop comparing. Only people who have played both F3 and GT5 should judge.

But the California is in GT5 Prologue and the placement is wrong. End of story.

Whatever the reason may be I haven't the slightest clue but it's still inaccurate.

 

[Bogie 19th]

But the California is in GT5 Prologue and the placement is wrong. End of story.

Whatever the reason may be, I haven't the slightest clue but it's still inaccurate.

The placement of the brake lights is wrong in GT5p?

 

[Terronium-12]

From what I can tell, yes. I'll double check to make sure though.

 

[Worst_Driver]

One or two cars from the entire model to represent the line up. ie One single R33 GTR to represent the entire R33 Skyline line up... etc I could list a lot more examples.

I would be more than allright with that. I think that forza's car list is pretty nice. The problem with the car selection in GT is that there are a lot of japanese cars with multiple copies of the same model that are not necessary (Cough SKYLINES Cough) but there's a serious lack of american and european cars. They favorise japanese cars way too much. Will we have a Pontiac G8 or a 300 SRT-8 in GT5, or will we get 40 skylines ?

 

[kingnorlen]

Lets close this thread, and reopen it when GT5 actually come to the consumer. I have seen this type of thread before and the conclusion is simple each time, you cannot compare GT5: Prologue with a FULL game like Forza 3. GT5P is not a FULL game at least in my eyes it lacks a lot of features, however hence the meaning of the title prologue. A beginning to something!

You are comparing Apples with Oranges, and that my friends is just not realistic.

Chad

thx thats what i thought all the time, why cant ppl understand this.....

 

[Terronium-12]

The placement of the brake lights is wrong in GT5p?

Double checked, and the placement is incorrect. Perhaps it was a prototype, or as someone mentioned earlier they didn't have enough time and had to infer - who knows?

Anywho, reference the video Chronos posted of the actual California to it's digital counterpart in Prologue...

 

[McLaren]

just played it for a bit.... Turn 10 did tried really hard to compete with PD.... but they failed at some really minor details from what I noticed... yes, they have reverse lights....BUT... they can't even get the California's brake light to light up correctly... if I'm ferrari, I wouldn't be too happy about it. it looks like they just rushed it and forgot to look at the details.

I don't know how anyone is going to take your post seriously after this part.

In this case, though, Turn10 did get the California right.

what I think of Forza so far is that its a fun game, but the developer definitely didn't put the heart into the game, but rather made it to please the community.

Because you've played the full game?

They did what you people ask for... especially in terms of car selection, one or two cars from the entire model to represent the line up. ie One single R33 GTR to represent the entire R33 Skyline line up... etc I could list a lot more examples. I want choice, not being forced into what they think its best.

I highly doubt anyone is going to cry over 1 R33 considering that after 2 titles, it's finally in the game.

I can't say i'm disappointed in the car selection in F3, what I don't like is that they base the cars from a certain region only. I mean, they have the Euro Civic Type R, but not the JDM FD2 Civic Type R.

A lot of people are asking for this, so it's possible that it could be a DLC release.

or not to mention there are no R35 GTR in the car list (could be because the car is co-developed with PD)

They tried to get this car, and they still are. You can't fault Turn10 for that.

From what I noticed, PD seems to respect auto manufacturer a lot more compare with any other racing games out there. especially in terms of authenticity. Every car in GT5 have the original model designation logo as the license plate. like the one manufacturer put on during car shows.

I'm all for more authenticity in Forza, but manufacturer licenses plates? That's your argument? Make them in FM3 if you want them, then. That's something you can at least do yourself.

I'm definitely looking forward to this game in the next couple of days, its still a fun game and it will be a good choice to ease the pain of waiting for GT5 until next march. But as a GT5 competitor, its far from it.

Unfortunately, it's hard to end on that note when most of your argument is based on the car selection between both games, esp. when you haven't actually played both games.

Sorry mate, but this is a poor argument.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Double checked, and the placement is incorrect. Perhaps it was a prototype, or as someone mentioned earlier they didn't have enough time and had to infer - who knows?

Anywho, reference the video Chronos posted of the actual California to it's digital counterpart in Prologue...

Good find. Thank you!

 

[haubi]

that review sounds like someone was paid off in my oipion. after playing the demo there is no way its that good on the physics side. the California with all assists off is almost imposable to kick the rear end out. there is also no evidince of snap back once you do get a car to step the back end out. to drift i had to hit the e-brake to get any of them to drift. it just doesn't seem right to me so i hope the full version that the Sim guys hopefully reviewed is far better than the demo. only 2 weeks will tell.

Finally someone with a bit of sense 👍 . Thats exactly what I thought. No snap back and too much traction - Still is a heck of a lot of fun though

 

[otago]

just played it for a bit.... Turn 10 did tried really hard to compete with PD.... but they failed at some really minor details from what I noticed... yes, they have reverse lights....BUT... they can't even get the California's brake light to light up correctly...

Games don't compete with each other. GT is more about style, Forza is about driving and racing.

If you want California driving like real California - Forza, if you want real races with good AI - Forza, if you want tuning and upgrades with real parts - Forza. If you want game focused on presentation and car's culture - GT.

Both are must have

 

[Terronium-12]

Games don't compete with each other. GT is more about style, Forza is about driving and racing.

If you want California driving like real California - Forza, if you want real races with good AI - Forza, if you want tuning and upgrades with real parts - Forza. If you want game focused on presentation and car's culture - GT.

Both are must have

Nothing against you, but no matter how many times people say that it's just borderline stupid. Of course they're competing with one another, otherwise one wouldn't try it's best to outdo the other. Just because they're on two different consoles doesn't change a thing, other than the platforms that separate them.

That's the same thing as Seagate isn't competing with Western Digital or Maxtor in the HDD scene, or ATi isn't competing against nVidia, AMD isn't competing with Intel....the list could go on and on.

 

[McLaren]

Games don't compete with each other. GT is more about style, Forza is about driving and racing.

If you want California driving like real California - Forza, if you want real races with good AI - Forza, if you want tuning and upgrades with real parts - Forza. If you want game focused on presentation and car's culture - GT.

Both are must have

Because you've driven one, right?

 

[otago]

Nothing against you, but no matter how many times people say that it's just borderline stupid. Of course they're competing with one another

In which way? Take for example races.

Forza: still start, you and AI start at the same moment and fight all the way bumper to bumper.

GT5P: rolling start when first AI car has a huge advantage and you are overtaking relatively slow moving 14 cars to finally overtake the last one. In Forza this is impossible, you will never make it with AI on hard.

This is completely different approaches and it can be said about many other aspects.

 

[Terronium-12]

Ah. So, you're saying because they're different they don't compete?

That's even worse.

 

[TwentyValve]

Games don't compete with each other. GT is more about style, Forza is about driving and racing.

If you want California driving like real California - Forza, if you want real races with good AI - Forza, if you want tuning and upgrades with real parts - Forza. If you want game focused on presentation and car's culture - GT.

Both are must have

There is no way the California handles like it does in Forza in real life. With all assists off it is almost imposable to kick out the rear end with out using the E-brake. I tried drifting with it and it is so hard to just start a drift let alone keep it going. At this point we will have to agree to dissagree on this.

 

[McLaren]

There is no way the California handles like it does in Forza in real life. With all assists off it is almost imposable to kick out the rear end with out using the E-brake. I tried drifting with it and it is so hard to just start a drift let alone keep it going. At this point we will have to agree to dissagree on this.

Again, I ask because you guys have driven it in real life?

Anyways, I wouldn't take the entire demo to heart. I've played the RSR in the full game, and it'll definitely kick the tail out more than the demo showed.

 

[dylansan]

Someone mentioned food earlier, and I thought of this comparison.

Forza 3 is the nice steak. Delicious, but some annoying fat around the edges.

GT5 is the tiny portion delicacy created by Gordon Ramsey, but technically cooked by other great chefs.

GT5 will hopefully be a great meal, but there are concerns that the needed kick will be missing, though it will surely be large and filling.

Edit: This does, in a way, show that the games shouldn't be compared. You wouldn't compare a steakhouse to a fancy restaurant, even though they both serve food, and it tastes good.

 

[otago]

They did what you people ask for... especially in terms of car selection, one or two cars from the entire model to represent the line up. ie One single R33 GTR to represent the entire R33 Skyline line up... etc

So why do your bother with R33 Skyline line up so much? It's a poor man BMW, never was on sale outside Japan.

I would better think why there were no Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche in GT4. You had enormous amount of Japanese junk, but no world leading sport cars. So guess now why some of them appeared in GT in fifth instalment? Who is trying to compete?

There is no way the California handles like it does in Forza in real life. With all assists off it is almost imposable to kick out the rear end with out using the E-brake. I tried drifting with it and it is so hard to just start a drift let alone keep it going. At this point we will have to agree to dissagree on this.

In any "real" thing I trust Forza 200% more than GT5P. But PD is working hard and I'm expecting big changes in final game for good.

 

[TwentyValve]

In any "real" thing I trust Forza 200% more than GT5P.

If that's what you need to keep telling yourself to sleep at night, then have at it.

 

[TBR 427]

So why do your bother with R33 Skyline line up so much? It's a poor man BMW, never was on sale outside Japan.

I would better think why there were no Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche in GT4. You had enormous amount of Japanese junk, but no world leading sport cars. So guess now why some of them appeared in GT in fifth instalment? Who is trying to compete?

Maybe it's to do with lisencing? I mean seriously, they have introduced ASL, Cizeta and numerous other supercar/sports car manufacturers to millions of gamers around the world. Heck, they were the first with Pagani Zonda I think...Along with the handful of classic WRC car like the Stratos and Deltas and Peugeot's and Citroens and Subarus and Mitrubishis, etc etc etc.

And let's not forget the hordes of Le Mans monsters from all ages, both the peak of the Group C cars (nissans, Toyotas, Merc/Saubers/Peugeots, Mazdas) to the latest (well, then) Pescarolos, Audis, Bentleys and Toyotas, as well as many of the GT cars competing like the C5R, Viper, etc.

Then from Japan the super GT cars of all classes and many years, skylines supras mazdas toyotas subarus etc etc etc.

Fact is, GT4 had more fast cars than Forza had fast cars + slow cars + useless cars put together.

And now we've seen two open wheelers in the series, along with the latest SuperGT cars, WTC cars and NASCARS, while T10 have added no rally cars, the prototype GTR show car that never actually raced (I have no idea why they included that one, and not the one that raced, nor the GTR considering they were all lisenced by Nissan Motorsport), and out-dated nascars. Oh, and a few Le Mans cars.

GT has had the world leading cars for ages. Not all the popular ones. So why do YOU think T10 are adding these great cars into F3?

If that's what you need to keep telling yourself to sleep at night, then have at it.

second that.

 

[otago]

And let's not forget the hordes of Le Mans monsters from all ages, both the peak of the Group C cars (nissans, Toyotas, Merc/Saubers/Peugeots, Mazdas) to the latest (well, then) Pescarolos, Audis, Bentleys and Toyotas, as well as many of the GT cars competing like the C5R, Viper, etc.

The most famous Le Mans monster is Porsche 956/962. Every Japanese attempt to win Le Mans failed, and it was 956/962 which beat a crap from all this Nissan/Toyota prototypes even in hands of private teams.

Only Mazda caught the luck once. By the way, 956 still holds absolute Nurburgring record

 

[G.T.Ace]

Which means what?
I dont get what youre trying to say.

 

[Terronium-12]

The most famous Le Mans monster is Porsche 956/962. Every Japanese attempt to win Le Mans failed, and it was 956/962 which beat a crap from all this Nissan/Toyota prototypes even in hands of private teams.

Only Mazda caught the luck once. By the way, 956 still holds absolute Nurburgring record

I wouldn't really call the 787's win "luck" I didn't see the even, unfortunately as I wasn't into auto racing at the time...but from what I've read it was everything but luck that made it a winner.

 

[otago]

but from what I've read it was everything but luck that made it a winner.

There were no any European factory teams this year. Only because of this Mazda won.

Next year Peugeot stepped in and Mazda was finished

 

[Terronium-12]

There were no any European factory teams this year. Only because of this Mazda won.

Next year Peugeot stepped in and Mazda was finished

Funny, wasn't the R26B essentially banned the next year? Isn't that what deterred Mazda from re-entering?