Forza3 can't be compared with GT5....

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Funny, wasn't the R26B essentially banned the next year? Isn't that what deterred Mazda from re-entering?

a winner is you.

Otago, I suggest go look into the development of the Mazda Le Mans prototypes. It's actually quite interesting.

It wasn't a win 'by default'. They had a fast car, fast drivers, and for the first time, a RELIABLE car.

Those quad-rotors were known for launching anything and everything attached to said engine, into the surrounding bush.

When they fixed (mostly) that problem, it won.



Think: would they have banned it because it was a VERY SLOW car that won by default, considering the entry lists for the years prior and post it's victory?

NO.
 
Someone mentioned food earlier, and I thought of this comparison.

Forza 3 is the nice steak. Delicious, but some annoying fat around the edges.

GT5:P is the tiny portion delicacy created by Gordon Ramsey, but technically cooked by other great chefs.

GT5 will hopefully be a great meal, but there are concerns that the needed kick will be missing, though it will surely be large and filling.

Edit: This does, in a way, show that the games shouldn't be compared. You wouldn't compare a steakhouse to a fancy restaurant, even though they both serve food, and it tastes good.

Or maybe GT5 is the steak that has been frozen for over a year? :sly:
 
There were no any European factory teams this year. Only because of this Mazda won.

Next year Peugeot stepped in and Mazda was finished

Yes. The rotary motor in general was banned from Le Mans. As of now the 787B is the only Japanese car to win Le Mans. It is one of my all time favorite prototypes. I could get into more detail about the car but it would be off topic.

To be honest all this bickering is pointless until both games are released. The way i look at it the only opinion or review is my own because it will betermine weather or not I buy the game or not. (The same goes for everyone.) With both of these epic games coming out so soon only means that we, the gaming community, win. I'm done, time for bed.
 
Or maybe GT5 is the steak that has been frozen for over a year? :sly:
It's not like they haven't been working on it. It just went into the fridge for a bit while they developed GTPSP - the delicious hot pocket or calzone
 
I have played the full version of Forza 3 and I have to say that its a pretty fun game to play. I like how everything is laid out in the game. I cant judge for it being better than GT5 since its not out yet but its a pretty dam good game :) I myself am tired of the wait and just like any addict I need my kick lol and Forza definitely delivered it. Anyhow my true love is still GT and I assume that it will be better than Forza, I'm hoping lol. But nonetheless Forza is worth the buy.
 
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I was going to buy forza but now I'm not going to because this guy says that the brake lights on the California aren't right.

Give me a break.
 
I was going to buy forza but now I'm not going to because this guy says that the brake lights on the California aren't right.

Give me a break.
 
I love the talk about how GT will be... keep dreaming guys, in a weeks time I'll be playing Forza3 while my PS3 waits another 6+ months for PD to deliver.

When will people stop trying to justify their console purchase by saying the competition isn't that great. Get over it, they are all games no matter how you spin it (GT better then reality, good call PD). They simulate particular real word areas that help them overall achieve the level of perceived reality they (the developers) are happy with.

Yes, its competition so don't water it down... why is GT exclusive to PS and Forza to Xbox.. because those games sell consoles, otherwise why limit your market. Getting back to my earlier point, its why we have people trying to justify their purchases with stupid analysis based on tail lights.
 
So why do your bother with R33 Skyline line up so much? It's a poor man BMW, never was on sale outside Japan.

Except Australia. And the UK.

I don't recall the twin turbo, 4WD, 4WS, 4W-torque-sensing-differential BMW saloon sold between 1995 and 2001 for which the R33 GT-R was a poor man's equivalent. By your own "Forza can't be compared to GT because they're different" argument, there is no direct comparison.


otago
Every Japanese attempt to win Le Mans failed ... Only Mazda caught the luck once.

Latter denies former.

otago
There were no any European factory teams this year. Only because of this Mazda won.

No European factory teams that year? You mean apart from Jaguar (three XJR-12s and an XJR-14), Sauber Mercedes (two C11s and a C291), Porsche Kremer (two 962s) and Peugeot (two 905s)? Come on.


Of course what any of this has to do with FM3 is completely beyond me, but you do seem to have a trademark of switching from one indefensible position to another when scrutinised. So let's drop back to the earlier one:


otago
Forza: still start, you and AI start at the same moment and fight all the way bumper to bumper.

GT5P: rolling start when first AI car has a huge advantage and you are overtaking relatively slow moving 14 cars to finally overtake the last one. In Forza this is impossible, you will never make it with AI on hard.

This is completely different approaches and it can be said about many other aspects.

In GT1 you had grid starts. In GT2 you had grid starts. In GT3 you had grid starts. In GT4 you had grid starts. What do you think will be in GT5?

You're comparing GT5P for no good reason. Ever played GT4P? How similar was that to GT4? How about GT: Concept and its similarities to GT3?

No-one can say anything about GT5's features until it is out. We simply don't know what's there and what isn't - even the demos and press sneak peeks are subject to change. Which pretty much renders the entire topic moot, frankly.
 
gon
I love the talk about how GT will be... keep dreaming guys, in a weeks time I'll be playing Forza3 while my PS3 waits another 6+ months for PD to deliver.

When will people stop trying to justify their console purchase by saying the competition isn't that great. Get over it, they are all games no matter how you spin it (GT better then reality, good call PD). They simulate particular real word areas that help them overall achieve the level of perceived reality they (the developers) are happy with.

Yes, its competition so don't water it down... why is GT exclusive to PS and Forza to Xbox.. because those games sell consoles, otherwise why limit your market. Getting back to my earlier point, its why we have people trying to justify their purchases with stupid analysis based on tail lights.


Well that would be because PD are owned by Sony.


Scaff
 
Well that would be because PD are owned by Sony.

Scaff

And Turn10 has an arrangement with Microsoft. Does that mean they couldn't be made for PC? They could but they won't, they are key franchises for the respective (competing) platforms.

The point was they compete with each other on many levels and saying they don't is just ridiculous.
 
gon
And Turn10 has an arrangement with Microsoft. Does that mean they couldn't be made for PC? They could but they won't, they are key franchises for the respective (competing) platforms.
The difference is that should T10 want to they could release on any platform they like, PD on the other hand are not able to make that choice.


gon
The point was they compete with each other on many levels and saying they don't is just ridiculous.
I don't believe that I disagreed with that at all.


Scaff
 
gon
And Turn10 has an arrangement with Microsoft. Does that mean they couldn't be made for PC? They could but they won't, they are key franchises for the respective (competing) platforms.

Turn 10 was created by Microsoft, it's a internal studio as far as I know.

Much like Aces who was Microsofts internal flight and train sim studio, despite being MS's top selling PC franchise Aces was canned and emphasis has been put on the Xbox not PC. But it wouldn't be hard to port FM3 to PC if MS decided to.
 
Jay
Turn 10 was created by Microsoft, it's a internal studio as far as I know.

Much like Aces who was Microsofts internal flight and train sim studio, despite being MS's top selling PC franchise Aces was canned and emphasis has been put on the Xbox not PC. But it wouldn't be hard to port FM3 to PC if MS decided to.

If that is the case then it my 'bad'.

Scaff
 
I played the Forza 3 demo and I cant say I enjoyed it - maybe it was because I totally sucked at it but i'd say its the first racing game i've played in a long while that I didnt get into the swing of it straight away.

I didnt think the physics were true to life or comfortable to get used to - the rewind feature totally put me off, I know its a video game and in real life we dont have the ability to pause or restart but I think being able to rewind is rediculous. now before anyone says "just dont use it then and stop moaning" well yeah I suppose I could do that but its still off putting.

I have both consoles and yes I will buy both games but at the moment having played the Forza 3 demo im left very disappointed.

Forza 3 & GT5 should definately stand shoulder to shoulder for comparisons but they cannot be compared yet - where im comfortable with people comparing the two losely would be 'Forza 3 demo VS GT5:P'. I know exactly which one would win for me !!!

What I love about the Forza series is the tuning and painting (making the car your own) - the ability to show it online, gifting cars,the auction house and car damage ! (I dont know how many or if any of these will be in GT5). And not so much the racing.

Gran Turismo is the real racer IMO - physics on GT5:P are incredible, the graphics in my opinion are the greater of the two although no damage is dissapointing for me !

The ironic thing was when I started playing Forza 2, I began to question Gran Turismo's physics as i was used to heavy understeer, no rear wheel drive cars behaving like I thought they should do, and I thought PD would continue with the same(ish) physics going forward, especially after GT4 and then even the GT:HD demo thing you could only download from japan with the BMW 1 series coupe. But GT5:P really has changed my mind as its so much better than the Gran Turismo's of the past and i'm confident GT5 wont dissapoint !!
 
I was going to buy forza but now I'm not going to because this guy says that the brake lights on the California aren't right.

Give me a break.

Perhaps I'm falling into a trap or something here, but, you're not going to buy a game for something that's not even true? :odd:
 
Again, I ask because you guys have driven it in real life? Anyways, I wouldn't take the entire demo to heart. I've played the RSR in the full game, and it'll definitely kick the tail out more than the demo showed.

I am amazed at the number of people here that have driven all the latest Lambos and Ferraris.

It's my understanding from those that have the game that the demo cars were tuned for the casual audience (note you can't change the tuning). When they are running the full game, it's actually a different ball game with the same cars on the same track.

As Jay noted, and by Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_10

Turn 10 Studios is a Redmond, Washington-based video game developer created internally by Microsoft Game Studios. The company develops racing games for Microsoft gaming consoles.

Apparently since 2003.
 
Yet they shouldn't really feel the need to, from my point of view you're going to get a great game eaither way. If you're lucky enough to own both consoles then you hav ea change to own two great games.
 
Here is an interesting theory:

The more people complain about Forza 3 and the 360, particularly in a pro-Gran Turismo sentiment, I think the more legitimate it is to say that the two have become a significant threat to the previous dominance by the Playstation and one of its flagship franchises.

Otherwise, its all a bunch of hot air.
 
they can't even get the California's brake light to light up correctly...

Got that far and thought, yup, flame bait thread.

FYI, The brake lights work the way they are meant to.

The circle ferrari style lights at the top of the boot lid are NOT the actual brake lights. They are the parking lights.

The lights that come on when the brakes are applied are the centre bootlid light and the two lower rear bar lights.

*goes to find pictures*

*edit*

Google images suck... 10 pages and not 1 picture of brakes being used.

Anyway, a vid was posted at the end of page 2 or 3 proving that they work the way they are meant too.

IMO This thread should be locked because the whole argument is based on clearly wrong facts.
 
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In GT1 you had grid starts. In GT2 you had grid starts. In GT3 you had grid starts. In GT4 you had grid starts. What do you think will be in GT5?

It won't help. If you can win race with AI having half of mile advantage, how same AI can compete with you starting at same line?

And it couldn't. In GT4 I could pass two Esprit V8 with M3 in no more than two turns. In normal game you will never reach them, Esprit V8 beats M3 in every possible way.

GT4 was a total mess, no physics, no AI, random cars in events and so on. GT5P made half way between GT4 and simulator. Due to last interview PD is working hard to clean the rest of GT4 from the game, so chances are GT5 will be great game in every aspect.
 
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