Forza3 can't be compared with GT5....

[otago]

LOL. Caught a heavy 90 degrees spin today on mountain road. Tell me about understeer.

The Cayman S & 370Z are extremely equal in lap times.

2009 Motor Trend Best Driver's Car competition, Laguna Seca

Driven every car in every GT game have you?

I played only GT4 and stopped at around 10% cause driving was extremely uninspiring and the game experience pretty boring overall in my opinion

 

[McLaren]

LOL. Caught a heavy 90 degrees spin today on mountain road. Tell me about understeer.



2009 Motor Trend Best Driver's Car competition, Laguna Seca

Tsukuba
Cayman S: 1:06.59
370Z: 1:06.669

Hockenheim Short
Cayman S: 1:15.5
370Z: 1:16.0

Willow Springs
Cayman S: 1:28.91
370Z: 1:28.30

I'm sorry, did I just throw your rebuttal in the trash?

 

[otago]

Tsukuba
Cayman S: 1:06.59
370Z: 1:06.669

Best Motoring? LOL

Guys are so desperate to prove how good japanese cars are that nobody believes them. At all

 

[McLaren]

Best Motoring? LOL

Guys are so desperate to prove how good japanese cars are that nobody believes them. At all

As before, you ignore the other times.

 

[killanite]

that nobody believes them. At all

You're in the same boat then, no one believes you either.

 

[Terronium-12]

I'm still surprised this little spat is going on, it's been fail after fail with this person.

Leave it be.

 

[otago]

As before, you ignore the other times.

Motortrend is the main auto source in US. For tests they hire professional racer. They do everything at the world's premier racing tracks.

I don't need your times from some guy at some road

 

[Terronium-12]

...

And this is why I say "Leave it be."

Leave it be.

 

[McLaren]

Motortrend is the main auto source in US. For tests they hire professional racer. They do everything at the world's premier racing tracks.

I don't need your times from some guy at some road

That's hilarious. Sport Auto and Road & Track times being done from some guy at some road. The sad thing is that both sources are way more credible than Motor Trend. Doesn't change the fact that I'm still right about the Cayman & the 370Z while you keep bringing up irrelevant stuff.

What a twit.

 

[Famine]

Plus 95% of cars drove exactly same, FWD, RWD, front engine, rear engine - who cares?

I played only GT4 and stopped at around 10%.

Wow. You really do like digging holes for yourself don't you?

Your GT4 experience is nowhere near enough to make your statement true even if it's presented as opinion rather than fact. Which it wasn't. Stop making idiotic claims you have no ability to back up.

The problem is in games you always drive on edge and beyond limits, something which impossible to do on public roads.

LOL. Caught a heavy 90 degrees spin today on mountain road. Tell me about understeer.

Sounds pretty much like you were driving beyond the limit to me. Lolwhoops.

 

[Christian_C]

LOL. Caught a heavy 90 degrees spin today on mountain road. Tell me about understeer.

Sure you did, Notice any body roll whilst you were at it?

 

[Eric.]

Sure you did, Notice any body roll whilst you were at it?

No, no, no. He drives an Eclipse which doesn't have body roll because its the best sub $25k chassis available. Weight transfer, that is the thing that doesn't exists in Otago's world. Which makes that spin rather odd. Did you hit the e-brake? Something with the road surface? Otherwise, you would've needed weight transfer to happen...

 

[otago]

Wow. You really do like digging holes for yourself don't you?

Your GT4 experience is nowhere near enough to make your statement true even if it's presented as opinion rather than fact. Which it wasn't. Stop making idiotic claims you have no ability to back up.

10% of a game? More than enough for me. I drove around 150-200 cars. All of them drove same except 3.

I didn't say you shouldn't like GT4. I said I didn't like it.

Sure you did, Notice any body roll whilst you were at it?

Nope. Some genius put tiny gravel at the end of the turn hidden by rock corner. It similar to sliding on ice, immediate traction loss. Fine gravel over tarmac + wet = almost no traction

No, no, no. He drives an Eclipse

If "he" means me, I drive Prelude VTi-R 5-th gen

 

[McLaren]

10% of a game? More than enough for me. I drove around 150-200 cars. All of them drove same except 3.

I didn't say you shouldn't like GT4. I said I didn't like it.

Wait a second, 200 cars equals 95% of the entire 700+ cars in the game? Famine, please tell me the world hasn't gone crazy.

 

[Famine]

Wait a second, 200 cars equals 95% of the entire 700+ cars in the game? Famine, please tell me the world hasn't gone crazy.

I know. I read it too. It's almost like he doesn't realise the words he's saying or how they relate to ones he already said.

Dig up.

 

[otago]

Wait a second, 200 cars equals 95% of the entire 700+ cars in the game? Famine, please tell me the world hasn't gone crazy.

Not sure what are you saying. Can you tell about racing game if you drove more than a half of cars on almost every track?

If you can't you are a very strange person

 

[Famine]

To simplify:

Plus 95% of cars drove exactly same, FWD, RWD, front engine, rear engine - who cares?

I drove around 150-200 cars.

Your evidence doesn't match your claim. You haven't driven 95% of the cars in GT4 - in fact even using your upper bound you've driven well under a third of them - and so cannot say how 95% of cars in GT4 handle.

I have - and can tell you from ear and handling alone what car I'm in.

Can you tell about racing game if you drove more than a half of cars on almost every track?

But you haven't driven more than half of the cars.

 

[otago]

But you haven't driven more than half of the cars.

I did. Or you want to start discussion how Skyline 1999 is completely different from Skyline 2000? LOL

700 cars, right. Same as 400 cars in Forza 3

 

[G.T.Ace]

From ~740 cars were around 50 skylines, which includes a lot very different models, from the 70s till the 2000s, racing, road and prototype cars.

You didnt drove more than half of the cars.

But anyway, this thread has turned in to a "otago has no idea what hes talking about" debate, is there still a reason why this thread should stay open (serious question)?

 

[otago]

From ~740 cars were around 50 skylines

Good. Now all you need to do - count how many EVOs, Imprezas, FTOs and so on in game

 

[G.T.Ace]

That would be - ca. 121 cars if you exclude every single FTO, Lancer, Impreza and Skyline (hope i counted them all, but its not a lot more, maybe 1 or 2) and i mean every single one, never mind if race car, oldtimer, or normal road car.

Still far over 600 cars in the PAL version.

EDIT: Forgot the tuners.

EDIT2: 129 then.

 

[niky]

129 tuner cars? Tuner cars are still "unique"... you can't, no matter by what dint of tuning... replicate a Trial Celica with a tuned stock Celica (you can't match the chassis stiffness, even with a rollcage, and you can't buy the same engine tune and tire sizes.) Even moreso for the Amuse CarbonR and the HPA Golf.

Even without tuner cars, still north of 500++. And when you take into account that many of the "doubles" actually have unique handling and driving characteristics (Acura/Honda... different EVO versions... GSR/MR drive differently from the stripped and skinny RS), still over 600.

Can't help missing the extra F1 cars GT3 had... those were lots of fun.

I did. Or you want to start discussion how Skyline 1999 is completely different from Skyline 2000? LOL

Not completely different, but there are subtle differences from year to year. And this will depend on whether you're talking the stock Skyline GT-R or the V-Spec or V-Spec II.

Manufacturers can sometimes change suspension specs from year to year, even for the same specific model. The Honda Fit is one good example. The facelifted first generation Fit had revised radiator fans that increased horsepower and a revised anti-roll bar in the rear that improved handling.

The new GT-R had different suspension settings at launch than it has now, after 1,000,000 miles spent on the Nurburgring... and it's still different from the Concept, which took around 8 minutes to circle the 'Ring, which prompted Nissan to spend a hefty chunk of change massaging the suspension to gain a more respectable time. And let's not get started on the tires...

It may seem overly obsessive... but we're talking about PD here... which is overly obsessive about such fine details.

And there are discernible differences between some different trim levels, like the V-Spec versus the regular GT-R, the EVO MR/GSR versus the RS, the Type-Rs, Acura/Honda clones... etcetera.

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Strong words, though... from someone who can't tell the difference between a Subaru and a RUF. Give me one corner and I can tell you right away. Takes less time, in fact, than in NFS:Shift... where it takes a half-lap or so.

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Side-note: You stop at 10%, you don't have enough money in the game to buy more than 50 cars... and GT4 doesn't give you perfect resale value like NFS:Shift does.

 

[Eric.]

But anyway, this thread has turned in to a "otago has no idea what hes talking about" debate, is there still a reason why this thread should stay open (serious question)?

For Famine to keep poking and prodding and allowing us to enjoy it all.

*rereads what he just typed*

 

[otago]

That would be - ca. 121 cars if you exclude every single FTO, Lancer, Impreza and Skyline

You made some progress, but just started. Now let's go to 8 Mitsubishi 3000GT, 18 Mazda RX7, etc...

Should I post every single Japanese model or you want to count them yourself?

Skyline GT-R or the V-Spec or V-Spec II...Not completely different, but there are subtle differences from year to year.

In Gran Turismo 4? LOL

Once I drove Skyline just after Camaro, same track. It was a huge difference indeed: Skyline was braking better. That's all. I mean except this the difference was precisely zero. Camaro - Skyline. Not Skyline V-Spec and V-Spec II

 

[niky]

In Gran Turismo 4? LOL

Once I drove Skyline just after Camaro, same track. It was a huge difference indeed: Skyline was braking better. That's all. I mean except this the difference was precisely zero. Camaro - Skyline. Not Skyline V-Spec and V-Spec II

The Camaro has softer springing, a different onset of understeer and oversteer, different gearing, a different powerband... the differences are huge... so... how is braking the only difference?

Adding a LOL after every response doesn't make up for the lack of logic of your responses. Either substantiate your arguments with data or stop posting your poorly informed opinion as gospel. Keep it up. I'm sure the mods are greatly amused. L.O.L.

 

[otago]

The Camaro has softer springing, a different onset of understeer and oversteer, different gearing, a different powerband... the differences are huge... so... how is braking the only difference?

You are absolutely right. Real life Camaro

You know, if you make Camaro model right, it doesn't mean it starts driving immediately like real Camaro in game. More is needed

Go educate yourself

http://www.lfs.net/?page=downloads

You can load how realistic GT 4 and how great the physics is to 4-th grade kids. Maybe they will believe you

 

[cannonracer654]

the shire amout of realism and customisation in forza may even be better that gt5 pro if you can get it

 

[Famine]

I did. Or you want to start discussion how Skyline 1999 is completely different from Skyline 2000? LOL

You can start whatever discussion you like. Ultimately "I have driven 200 cars in GT4" doesn't turn into "I have driven half of the cars in GT4" by any possible stretch of the imagination.

As pointed out by niky, at the 10% game progress you also claim, you didn't even have access to half the cars in GT4, even in arcade mode.

Should I post every single Japanese model or you want to count them yourself?

Given that I generated the GT4 Car Database for all regions, I already have counted them myself. Even if you strike off every car that has something like the same name as another one and those that are badge-engineered versions of other cars, there is no way to get the count down to just 400 unique models. There is certainly no way to do so and be left with 200 unique models that you can drive with just 10% of the game completed.

So this claim is a barefaced lie. There is nothing in reality that would allow any part of the statement to be true with the "evidence" you've provided. If you want to continue with it, I'll happily give you the 10pt Infraction you deserve for posting knowingly false information.


Ultimately we're left with someone with no credibility at all attempting to deliver opinion as fact comparing things he has no understanding of, no ability to discern and nowhere to turn but more lies. I think even the die-hards would want to distance themselves from you. LOL.

 

[killanite]

Once I drove Skyline just after Camaro, same track. It was a huge difference indeed: Skyline was braking better. That's all. I mean except this the difference was precisely zero. Camaro - Skyline. Not Skyline V-Spec and V-Spec II

Jeremy Clarkson who has probably driven more cars than you have seen in your entire lifetime had this to say about Gran turismo 4

"I called Sony and asked it to send me a game chip already loaded with the 700 computer cars. And I am in a position to test out its claims because, unlike most people, I really have driven almost all of them in real life.

There are mistakes. The BMW M3 CSL, for instance, brakes much better on the road than it does on the screen. And there’s no way a Peugeot 106 could outdrag a Fiat Punto off the line. But other than this, I’m struggling: they’ve even managed to accurately reflect the differences between a Mercedes SL 600 and the Mercedes SL 55, which is hard enough to do in real life.

There’s more, too. If you take a banked curve in the Bentley Le Mans car flat out, you’ll be fine. If you back off, even a little bit, you lose the aerodynamic grip and end up spinning."

So im struggling to see how you couldn't find a difference between a camaro and a Skyline.

Edit : http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/jeremy_clarkson/article552096.ece
Heres the link if you're interested in reading the full article... but ofcorse you're not otago , You're far more intelligent and experienced than Jeremy Clarkson in terms of cars.

 

[Thatman]

Hey Everybody! I think you can compare GT5(when its out) and Forza3 because, your an individual! Also who is to say that otago just didnt use a gameshark or something, I know I did!(tho just for cars and money myself) However i am surprised that he kept count of what cars he drove and did not....btw this thread is interesting.