Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

[Zer0]

I don't understand how people can't feel traction limits and have to go by speeds in GT5P but I guess everyone is different.

Same here, maybe they are pad players or use a wheel with weak FF settings?

 

[SatansReverence]

I am quite sure that GT5 handles better than that thing

That is because you have never been in it.

only weighs 1.3 tonne and has damn near race car like suspension settings.

Not comfortable down most roads but it beats M3's (new and old), any new commodore/falcon and pretty much everything else around corners.

Only thing it lacks at the moment is power (needs to get a turbo for it)

 

[Scaff]

That is because you have never been in it.

only weighs 1.3 tonne and has damn near race car like suspension settings.

Not comfortable down most roads but it beats M3's (new and old), any new commodore/falcon and pretty much everything else around corners.

Only thing it lacks at the moment is power (needs to get a turbo for it)

Now I was going to let the fact that you didn't post pictures with the cardboard sign I asked for slide, but that comment pretty much enters the ludicrous side of things.

Are you honestly expecting us to believe that you claim its faster than an E92 M3!!!!

How exactly do you know this to be true!!!!

Reply here please....

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3466321#post3466321

...you have been called out on this one.


Regards

Scaff

 

[sejtur]

SR kinda going off-topic here... Shouldn't he be defending his claims about GT and Forza?
Or is this a very very big win by Dave A?

You'll see it all, after this commercial break, stay tuned!

 

[yeti]

Why is it that when people think their car is uber - they say it can beat an M3?

I would also put money on that car weighing significantly more than 1.3 tonnes...

My golf weighs more than that - and it's half the size - with a 1.9 litre engine.

C.

 

[Jay]

No it does weigh just over 1.3 tonnes, which wasn't considered such a lightweight back then. I remember my first car a 1981 Commodore used to weigh just over 1.2tonnes with it's 3.3 litre inline 6, now days an equivalent base Commodore weighs 1.8 tonnes.

I wont question what he claims about the performance as it already has been called out.

 

[d3br34k5]

Been raining lately so abit dirty.

Hey, consider my hat eaten...still looking for the cardboard sign though!

I like the look of that beast! I'd have to see a track slip to believe it's beating any e92's though.


EG:



It SMOKES GM Trackers and climbs on Civics, yo. Notice the cardboard.

 

[Biggles]

Same here, maybe they are pad players or use a wheel with weak FF settings?

Maybe they don't have a good wheel.

I have both a G25 & the new Fanatec GT3 RS wheel. I drive with the FFB setting on "10".

The FFB in GT5P does feel stronger with the Fanatec wheel, but still a bit on the weak & "undescriptive" side.

This thread (& many others like it) just proves that there are many GTP posters who just can't accept any criticism of GT. My assumption when I read posts of that sort, is that the posters are young & have (what seems to me) a bizarre, adolescent sense of "loyalty" to PD &/or Sony.

It's pretty clear from FM 1 on, that Turn 10 has managed to surpass PD in a number of important areas. FM3 looks like it is going to be a big step forward from FM2. My hope & even expectation is that PD, having taken so long to work on GT5, is going to step up to the plate & produce a game that rivals or surpasses FM3 in every area, but at this point we still have very little information to go on.

 

[killanite]

This thread (& many others like it) just proves that there are many GTP posters who just can't accept any criticism of GT. My assumption when I read posts of that sort, is that the posters are young & have (what seems to me) a bizarre, adolescent sense of "loyalty" to PD &/or Sony.

Have you been to the forza forums?

People here don't say that gt5 is flawless, the fact is they are saying that they don't agree with your opinion... and just because they disagree with your opinion doesn't make them wrong.. and it also doesn't make us "loyal" PD fanboys.

We accept the fair criticism (such as the lack of skidmarks, lack of damage etc etc), but we defend the opinion-based criticism because its not solid fact and some may disagree with ur opinion.

 

[sejtur]

This thread (& many others like it) just proves that there are many GTP posters who just can't accept any criticism of GT. My assumption when I read posts of that sort, is that the posters are young & have (what seems to me) a bizarre, adolescent sense of "loyalty" to PD &/or Sony.

Your assumption is almost correct. Or rather mostly incorrect.

I am young.
But I can accept criticism towards GT. However, only constructive criticism.
You sure exxagerate alot with that bold "any". 👎

The reason I said it, was that some people were complaining that they don't feel it when the back end breaks out in GT5P. I have a DFP, and I hold most slides. So, maybe I can only hold those slides because I have a (arguably) good wheel, or maybe they just are not so good at driving hard.

I don't think that you can read from that one sentence that I am adolescent of PD and the GT series. Maybe I am, maybe not. But that you read from it that I can't accept any criticism is very harsh.

I don't know if it's right what you said about Forza, and I haven't said anything bad about that game, because I never played it.

 

[Joey D]

I think Biggles has a point. There are quite a few members that are way over passionate, I won't call them fanboys, about GT and will get angry if you criticize anything against it. I've been flamed numerous times for my comments when I talk negatively against the GT series, or when I point out a positive aspect about a competing franchise.

I also continue to find it amusing how many people hate Forza, claim you can't compare the two without extensive play, and don't even own an Xbox.

Forza is a very good game with very good physics. GT is a very good game with very good physics. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

 

[d3br34k5]

I also continue to find it amusing how many people hate Forza, claim you can't compare the two without extensive play, and don't even own an Xbox.

Forza is a very good game with very good physics. GT is a very good game with very good physics. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

Here, here!

 

[sejtur]

I think Biggles has a point. There are quite a few members that are way over passionate, I won't call them fanboys, about GT and will get angry if you criticize anything against it. I've been flamed numerous times for my comments when I talk negatively against the GT series, or when I point out a positive aspect about a competing franchise.

I also continue to find it amusing how many people hate Forza, claim you can't compare the two without extensive play, and don't even own an Xbox.

Forza is a very good game with very good physics. GT is a very good game with very good physics. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

Maybe it counts for other people, yes. But I don't think it counts for me.

I always try to have a reasonable and logical discussion, being as objective as possible. GT has it's flaws and I know it. If people have other opinions about GT, it's alright, because it's their opinion. But if people claim something about GT that is not true, then I try to make that clear.

 

[Lucas]

I think Biggles has a point. There are quite a few members that are way over passionate, I won't call them fanboys, about GT and will get angry if you criticize anything against it. I've been flamed numerous times for my comments when I talk negatively against the GT series, or when I point out a positive aspect about a competing franchise.

I hope I'm not one of those members. Personally, I don't care about criticism. But others have said it already: constructive criticism. Now, if people come here saying the GT series haven't had features, I will get mad.

I also continue to find it amusing how many people hate Forza, claim you can't compare the two without extensive play, and don't even own an Xbox.

I admit there are people that hate Forza around here. I just simply don't, as I haven't played the game. The only thing I can judge (cause I've seen it in videos) are the graphics. I like them, I really do. I can't judge physics from a video, so I stay away from them. In fact, I can't judge physics at all, because I have never drove a car. All I can do is sit back on a corner while people argue, but I do pay attention to people's opinion, like Famine's or Scaff's. Not because they are moderators, but because they actually have experience. Scaff has driven on the 'Ring, and he has made clear his opinion between Forza 2's and GT4's 'Ring. Why should I listen to the troll (cause he is a troll) that claims GT sucks compared to Forza, when I could listen to one of the most respected and honest members of the forum?

Forza is a very good game with very good physics. GT is a very good game with very good physics. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

I don't doubt Forza is a very good game. Let's put it this way, I'm getting bored with GT4. That happens when you play it everyday for two years. I would definitely love to play Forza if I had an Xbox, whether it be Xbox alone or Xbox 360. The same way I would love to play GT4 after playing Forza two years straight. Problem is I just can't be bothered to buy an Xbox, because there's always the chance to be disappointed.

I bought a PSX, then GT2. I loved GT2. I decided to buy GT4 after watching some videos of it on YouTube. I asked my parents to buy me a PS2 after two years of owning the PSX. They did it, and I'm in debt with them. And I love GT4, more than I loved GT2. Now I want to get a PS3 as soon as GT5 is out. I know it won't happen, but it's good to dream sometimes (coming from a guy who is always prepared for the worst).

The point is, I know GT5 won't disappoint me. It will bring me fun. I've got that guaranteed. I also know Forza 3 won't disappoint me. I've got that also guaranteed. But I can't have both, it's either one or the other. I'm not judging Forza, but I will stick to GT5 because I have played GT2 and GT4, and if I can trust in GT or Forza, I will trust in GT, cause I have played it before, and I know the quality of it.

All in all, I agree with you. All I can say is that GT is a very good game (I'm not sure about the physics, as I said before), as so is Forza. If Forza wasn't a very good game, why would it have a community then?

 

[Biggles]

I am young.
But I can accept criticism towards GT. However, only constructive criticism.
You sure exxagerate alot with that bold "any".

My comment was not aimed specifically at you in any way, but there are many posters who seem unable to concede any shortcomings in GT vs. another game.

I respect genuine & informed different opinions, however, what I see a lot is posters starting from a stand point of "brand loyalty" where they have to defend KY/PD/Sony against any criticism. I just don't see the point of this. KY/PD/Sony are very wealthy & successful, no doubt blind loyalty from their customers will help them become even more wealthy & successful, but I don't see it as particularly helpful for creating a better gaming experience.

Have you been to the forza forums?

The fact that there may be the same kind of nonsense being said "on the other side" isn't a reason to say it here.

 

[sejtur]

My comment was not aimed specifically at you in any way, but there are many posters who seem unable to concede any shortcomings in GT vs. another game.

I respect genuine & informed different opinions, however, what I see a lot is posters starting from a stand point of "brand loyalty" where they have to defend KY/PD/Sony against any criticism. I just don't see the point of this. KY/PD/Sony are very wealthy & successful, no doubt blind loyalty from their customers will help them become even more wealthy & successful, but I don't see it as particularly helpful for creating a better gaming experience.

Oh, OK. Well, then you should have not picked my quote. I still don't understand how you relate brand loyalty from my quote. But anyways, I don't see the point of that either, in fact, it's foolish. I was very angry at Sony when my PS3 didn't read my discs a while ago. I was helped though, for free, fortunately.

For me, I guess I do have some loyalty to PD because I know they do everything they can to make a good experience. I have trust in them. I like playing GT5P, and I'm satisfied with the game. Therefore, I don't need to buy a 360 and Forza. I'm happy with what I have at the moment. If I could get an Xbox 360 for free, forza with it then I would play that too. I just don't know if I will have the time for it.

 

[Mil6es]

I think Biggles has a point. There are quite a few members that are way over passionate, I won't call them fanboys, about GT and will get angry if you criticize anything against it. I've been flamed numerous times for my comments when I talk negatively against the GT series, or when I point out a positive aspect about a competing franchise.

I also continue to find it amusing how many people hate Forza, claim you can't compare the two without extensive play, and don't even own an Xbox.

Forza is a very good game with very good physics. GT is a very good game with very good physics. That's pretty much what it boils down to.

you say all of this but have you been on the Forza.net forums?? if you consider our form of conversation to be closed minded, I'll gather some threads from that forum and show some real example of fanboys or "passionate members" as you like to put it.

The fact is your going to get "passionate members" from both sides of any debate but I can put it to you that at least on this forum members back up the claims with structured reasoning, opinion and facts. but i cant say that for other forums I've visited i.e Forza.net forums. So I see your point, but your point is valid for all fanboys not just the GT ones.

 

[sejtur]

I think Biggles has a point. There are quite a few members that are way over passionate, I won't call them fanboys, about GT and will get angry if you criticize anything against it. I've been flamed numerous times for my comments when I talk negatively against the GT series, or when I point out a positive aspect about a competing franchise.

Don't you think that SR is a little bit too "passionate" either, about the Forza series? He's most "passionate" person I know on the net.

 

[Joey D]

you say all of this but have you been on the Forza.net forums?? if you consider our form of conversation to be closed minded, I'll gather some threads from that forum and show some real example of fanboys or "passionate members" as you like to put it.

The fact is your going to get "passionate members" from both sides of any debate but I can put it to you that at least on this forum members back up the claims with structured reasoning, opinion and facts. but i cant say that for other forums I've visited i.e Forza.net forums. So I see your point, but your point is valid for all fanboys not just the GT ones.

Why does another forum need to be brought into it? Why is that always the first thing someone says when I question the motives behind some of the posters on GTP? I do go to some Forza forums from time to time, and yes I agree there are passionate members there along with fanboys. However, I am talking about GTP and its members, not any other forum and their members.

GTP prides itself on having a very good community governed by rules, and for the most part I think that standard is held up fairly well. However ever since the release of FM3 and GT5 information, it seems to me on GTP a good handful of members ardently defend GT to the hilt and refuse to accept any criticisms of it. This is by no means to say that all the members here are like that, just a handful of vocal members that give off the impression that we are a forum full of moronic fanboys.

Don't you think that SR is a little bit too "passionate" either, about the Forza series? He's most "passionate" person I know on the net.

Beats me, he made it to my ignore list because I was tired of scrolling past his posts in this thread. I also haven't had a discussion with him, nor do I really care to. And this is not my place to call out individual members, I'm focusing more on an overall tone as not to offend anyone. If you feel that you fit what I'm talking about, so be it, if you don't feel like you do then so be it.

Any way this is drifting off topic.

 

[skywolf23]

well since we talking about fanboys goto any ps3 article on ign and see the flood of xbox kids jumping into every article msg board to flame any article about ps3 or ps3 games. way back then tdu was on xbox i recall all the xbots on the tdu pc forums informing us that pcs would not run the game as well, look as good, and we would get no dlc, wrong on all counts.

even one of the mods on the tdu eu forums was blatently xbox biased and backed up all the claims with "inside info" she was privy to. earned myself a good atari eu forum ban for just getting fed up and calling her out listing all the biased and inaccurate info she handed out as official.

conversely when i do read xbox threads i do not see the sheer number of sony fans bothering to make it a crusade on their forums to troll. just the occasional silliness like mgs4 will look as good or better than crysis or killzone gfx are the crysis killer lol. but the numbers on the other side of the isle are way way out in front.

 

[sejtur]

Beats me, he made it to my ignore list because I was tired of scrolling past his posts in this thread. I also haven't had a discussion with him, nor do I really care to. And this is not my place to call out individual members, I'm focusing more on an overall tone as not to offend anyone. If you feel that you fit what I'm talking about, so be it, if you don't feel like you do then so be it.

Any way this is drifting off topic.

I don't feel fitting to what you say about that handful of members in any way. It just looked like you meant me too because you said Biggles had a point, and he quoted one of my posts. Unless you really meant that I was one of those, which I think not, anymore.

I just thought it was weird that you did criticize those members that backed GT and not SatansReverence, so I questioned your motives. But now it's clear why, because you added him to your ignore list. Maybe I should do that too. 👍 It's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with him.

And let's get back on topic.

 

[Biggles]

When I bought a PS3 rather than a 360, I did so because of the perceived better reliability of the Sony system (ironic, because in the end I have had 2 defective PS3s ), & most importantly, because the PS3 supported a good quality (ie. G25) wheel. Now that Fanatec is coming out with a high quality wheel for the 360, the two systems/franchises will finally be on a level playing field. For me, this means PD really has to step forward & produce a superior quality game & not rest on their past achievements & "fan" loyalty.

In spite of the maddening lack of information forthcoming from PD, I'm pretty confident that, at the end of the day, they will come up with the goods.

(And yes, I wouldn't waste time responding to SR's posts. And my profile clearly states "G25" - & as many people (but not all) have commented, FFB isn't as good in GT5P as it is with FC or a number of PC sims)

 

[Zer0]

This thread (& many others like it) just proves that there are many GTP posters who just can't accept any criticism of GT. My assumption when I read posts of that sort, is that the posters are young & have (what seems to me) a bizarre, adolescent sense of "loyalty" to PD &/or Sony.

Hey Biggles stay calm, I have no problem with true criticism, when something is done wrong is done wrong, but you can't pass a criticism as a fact, a lot of people here has no problem with GT5P and they didn't need a lot of practice or an special ninja training to feel the car limits, also you have a tendence to treat people as a fanboys when not agree with you, that's not right and if you ask me acting like that on a GT forum make you look as another one. This place is one of the most respectful regarding other games, at times even too much.

Simply I can't agree with you because that is not true for me: (G25, FF10, active and assisted stering off, PRO mode)

I have two main concerns about Prologue:

1. You feel nothing about traction and limits. While in any PC sim and especially Forza you feel how hard you can push car and where the end will be, the only way to drive fast in GT5 Prologue just to remember the speed in each turn. Optimal racing line doesn't mean much here as well.

So just driving in GT5 is a good fun, but push the car to the limit and everything become weird, GT4 "physics" strikes back.

I would have to agree with these points:

1) This has been my concern with Prologue & where, IMO, it doesn't compare favourably with Ferrari Challenge for example. With lots of practice you learn exactly where the limits of traction are with GT5P, but you don't feel it strongly (at least with the G25).

Hope can you live with an experience different from yours.

 

[sejtur]

Well, I can agree with Biggles that feeling the limit in GT5 is a little bit hard in the beginning, but with enough practice, you can feel it very well. It must be a pain in the *** if you have to look at what speed you're doing, and the remember where the limit is at that speed. If a friend comes over, and I let them go with the wheel, they spin off in the first corner, especially with the Amuse. But when I take the wheel again, I can hold all of the slides, when accelerating and decelerating. Sometimes I still spin out, but that's due to lack of concentration.

I have no clue how Forza is in that sort of thing, but I'd like to know how it feels. BTW that Fanatec wheel looks really nice!

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

I also continue to find it amusing how many people hate Forza, claim you can't compare the two without extensive play, and don't even own an Xbox.

.

Im not going to be a hypocrite because I said previously I dismiss someones opinion if they haven't played GT5P but this also works both ways with FM2. Unless you have extensively played both games then from my perspective this opinion is null and void.

I have played both games extensively. I purchased FM2 on the day it was released and played every day until GT5P was released. I then played GT5P every day until around last Dec. Now I tend to alternate between both games.

I can't even be bothered to work out how many days this totals to on each game but as you can imagine its quiet alot. This doesn't mean my opinion is right but it does me I can judge each game in a fair way without any bias affecting my judgement.

I just so happen to prefer GT5P over FM2 and this is likely to be the case for GT5/FM3. When you consider I have spent £299 on PS3, £99 for G25, £599 Sony 40" V4000 HDTV, £299 Gameracer Elite cockpit (very soon), £42 320GB HDD (upgrading PS3) and all of this expenditure is for GT5. My family think im mad spending all this money on 1 game but I have no doubts GT5 will be worth it. You may ask why am I so confident and my answer is based on GT5P and knowing PD won't let me down.

I have been gaming since the 1980s and since 2005 been involved in online gaming. The release day of GT5 will be a day i've been waiting for in nearly 25yrs because it will be the pinnacle of video gaming!

 

[Dave A]

I preferred Forza 2 over GT4 and I prefer GT5 over Forza 2, I don't think Forza 2 was a superior sim to GT4, I felt that both got certain things right and a lot of things wrong but I found Forza 2's combinations of the good and bad more fun than GT4's. GT5 though is ajoy to drive, it can feel vague as to how close to the grip limits your at, but if you really can't get used to it stick a stickier tyre on. I did that and was able to really start pusching the limits for example I'd stick the S2's and S3's on cars that should have had S1's or S2's and after a while I went back to trying with the recommended tyres and I'm finding the limits much easier to recognise.

 

[sejtur]

Okay, who hates Forza? Raise your hands please.

I think that for comparing of physics, you have to play both games at least a couple of times, and driving different cars, to have a fair judgement about it. For comparing other things than for example driving physics, you don't have to play the games extensively, I think.

 

[Biggles]

I think you have to have a roughly equivalent amount of experience to be able to honestly compare games. If you spend a lot of time playing Forza, that becomes your "norm" & naturally GT is likely to feel "wrong" at first. The same is true of the opposite. In the end, it's a bit meaningless to say "GT5P (or Forza 2) feels right to me" unless you have a standard of comparison. Of course, one standard of comparison is RL, but ALL games are still a long way off from RL in many ways, & in any case, most of us haven't had the opportunity to race many, or any, of these cars IRL.

 

[Lucas]

This is the problem: you can't compare two games to see which one has the best physics. You have to compare one game with real life, and then do the same with the other one. And I'm not saying one car only. All of them. The one whose physics are closer to real life wins. That's how I see it.

 

[Scaff]

For your consideration gents....

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/design-walkthrough-forza-motorsport/53172

.. take a look at 3.15 onwards and let me know what you think physics wise.

The damage following a roll-over is also not that impressive I have to say.

Regards

Scaff