Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

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I think that this is your problem, by my experience you can get a much more lifelike picture by yourself, choose a tv presset exclusively for GT5 and play with the settings until you get the perfect picture that you want, also GT5P has an adjustable gamma option in the menu.

Calibrate disks are not holy grails, works ok for movies(if you like the look) but for videogames and specially GT always give a dark and lifeless picture also some tvs look more vibrant than others, Sony Bravias looks specially good with PS3 games.

I know they are not holy grails. I did some tweaking of my own, but the Blu-ray calibrations are a good start. I have gone through and made some adjustments from the calibrations and preset some for games, some for movies (BD and DVD separate), and some for sports as well. I didn't like the factory settings.

I thought the Bravia's looked poor (in the 52-58 inch range) compared to the Samsungs when doing my shopping. Though the Bravia might indeed make GT5p look better.

I have super white and full range on (the RGB stuff just since a couple of weeks, i tested it first in GTAIV and there it looked kinda ugly, but it looks great on all other games and BDs lol), the cross color reduction is off i think, i couldnt spot a difference tbh. lol

I did not have super white or full range RGB enabled, though 1080p was. I am checking it out now. Thanks!
 
Your TV should be good enough to show the same quality (its actually a pretty nice screen).
Ive got a SAMSUNG 2493HM (24" monitor) which supports 1080p and yeah... it looks like the F40 pics.

Have you set up your PS3 really to 1080p (it should do it with auto detect for itself but ive heard from some people that it didnt on their set) and do you have Super White and Fullscreen RGB switched on (in the PS3 settings)?

Unless you know for a fact that your TV supports fullrange RGB (0 to 255) then its strongly advisable to switch it off.

A lot of TVs will only be able to deal with RGB in the 16 to 235 range, and as such setting Full range to on will simply end up with colours at the extreme ends of the scale getting crushed.

Yes you will at first notice that you get more black and more white extremes and they may appear to be deeper, however what you lose out on is shadow and highlight detail as a result.

One of the best titles to test it on is actually CoD4, on the Bloc map, with RGB full switched on and a TV that can't handle it you can actually miss the fact that its snowing and also some of the interior shadows get crushed to pure black (allowing people to hide in them and you end up missing them).

RGB full is not always the best option, make sure you know what RGB range your TV can handle before using it (btw LCD monitors designed for PC use will be able to use it just fine as they handle the full RGB range).


Regards

Scaff
 
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The Playstation is a juggernaut at it's core, but is relatively weak on features
Well, if you mean PSN vs Live features, I might agree with you, but Live sure as heck isn't $50 a year better in features than PSN. But the PS3 itself? You know the argument: buy every proprietary add on to make the 360 as capable as the PS3 and you'll spend upwards of $700 or more to do it. And you still wouldn't have an HD format built in, and which delivers exceptional games. The 360 is weaker, less capable and even less reliable.

As for in-game images, as a guy who used to be a photo buff, there is a slight difference between in-game graphics and replays. In-game, Prologue looks a little more video, while replays look more technicolor and film-like. FM2 is the same way. But the graphics in Prologue sure do look tastier than all but a portion of the pics in FW3's screengrabs, and in-game, it still looks kind of like video. I suspect GT5 will be the same, but when we're playing either one, I doubt we'll care that the graphics are a hair bluer.
 
Unless you know for a fact that your TV supports fullrange RGB (0 to 255) then its strongly advisable to switch it off.

Yup, mine supports it. It helped my appearance as well (noticeable on the XMB right away). Thanks for the warning as well. That is good to know.

Well, if you mean PSN vs Live features, I might agree with you, but Live sure as heck isn't $50 a year better in features than PSN.

Well, that is a subjective opinion. I do like PSN, and I have been using it since March of 2008, but I don't like it nearly as much as I enjoy Xbox Live. Granted, I wouldn't mind it if Xbox Live were free, but I enjoy the advantages it has and I find it worth $50 a year (though I haven't paid more than $39 the past two years).

But the PS3 itself? You know the argument: buy every proprietary add on to make the 360 as capable as the PS3 and you'll spend upwards of $700 or more to do it.

True, but it depends on what you are looking for. Not everyone wants Blu-ray, not everyone wants Wifi, not everyone wanted those memory card slots, and not everyone want to spend that kind of money. One way to look at it is, how much does it cost to just play a game on the console. Bioshock ($60), Xbox 360 ($199). That is $260. Bioshock $60, PS3 ($399). That is $460. It's really a matter of which options are more suited for you as an individual gamer.

I bought my 120gb Xbox 360 Elite for $399, and I bought my 40gb PS3 for $399. Yes, I have to pay more for Wifi ($100..though wifi sucks...wired for the win!), and if I wanted the HD-DVD add-on, that is another $49.99. But I rarely use Blu-ray, and I never use Wifi. Yet with my 360, it came with HDMI, component, composite, network cables, as well as an optical dongle. It also came with a headset. It also has a portable HDD that I can pop off and take to a friends house to watch HD TV shows and HD Movies that I downloaded, as well as full retail games and arcade games, all portable. Not to mention, my Xbox 360 can still be played and used as the Windows Media Center Extender while the HDD is not attached. I find that to be a better value FOR me. But I am not everyone. Someone else might find better value having a BD player because they LOVE movies, and they don't have the ability to hardwire their connection due to location, so wifi is the best for them. Not to mention, with the built in Windows Media Center Extender hardware/software, I use my Xbox 360 as a DVR. Those are benefits I have found that have given me more "value".

Like I said, it's all subjective. I love my PS3 and 360, but I do enjoy my 360 a tad more.

And you still wouldn't have an HD format built in

Games are in HD on the DVD. And I can stream 1080p movies this fall, and download 720p HD movies right now. So for me, that is built in.

and which delivers exceptional games
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Another subjective comment. I think both deliver equally exceptional games in my experience so far.

The 360 is weaker, less capable

Again, your opinion.

and even less reliable.

Fact! I am on my 4th Xbox 360, and still on my first PS3!
 
I don't about you guys but the cars of GT are absolutely pornographic in nature. It just looks fantastic both in racing and replay scenes. Every nook and cranny of the car is designed to the very smallest of details and the lighting and reflection of the car just screams AWESOME.

Seriously a 32 spu cell with double the ram, and more powerful GPU would be godly

aah the old i never use blu ray, wifi, hard drives etc etc.

the trouble with that you cannot take out blu ray or the hard drive without crippling the ps3. That leaves wifi which is quite cheap to manufacture in the ps3.

so you may not want it but it cannot be taken out. so the best thing to do would stick to the shoddy 360 with the reliabilty problems
 
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aah the old i never use blu ray, wifi, hard drives etc etc.

the trouble with that you cannot take out blu ray or the hard drive without crippling the ps3. That leaves wifi which is quite cheap to manufacture in the ps3.

so you may not want it but it cannot be taken out. so the best thing to do would stick to the shoddy 360 with the reliabilty problems

Or own both, and not give a crap, like me.
 
Yeah owning both is really great. Now I am not just psyched for FM3 or GT5 but I am psyched I will be playing both!

Indeed. 👍

I wonder if FM3 will have Bugatti as well, or if PD only snatched them up for themselves?
 
So.... you took them shots of prologue to show us it looks like the eurogamner pic yet Bogie?

Not yet. But I am playing it right now. And I am getting frustrated. I keep getting 16 out of 16 in A Class. I have not yet beat a single race :(

BTW, I tried to get some pics, but is there not a pause/rewind/rotate camera feature in replay?
 
When you quite the replay it pauses the screen for a second. Other wise just pause during gameplay and take a shot.
 
Not yet. But I am playing it right now. And I am getting frustrated. I keep getting 16 out of 16 in A Class. I have not yet beat a single race :(

BTW, I tried to get some pics, but is there not a pause/rewind/rotate camera feature in replay?

Should never pause if you're shooting right off the screen. Sometimes I would freeze a frame using the option on my Sharp Aquos but it always looks worse than if I were just to shoot unpaused but instead cranking up the ISO on the camera (over 400) and using higher shutter speed. Prologue doesn't any control in replay. Even GT4 comes with just the fast forward command. Saw in your earlier you had shots from Killzone 2. If your TV supports Full RGB, do turn it on and you'll get better contrast and overall better video/picture. Here's a few of mine from the same game: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3324797&postcount=500

Another thing: yes, Prologue's screenshots are terrific but what's even better is the animation of the cars- just the way they move is as close as you get to the real ones. I've yet to see any other driving games/sims except for FM3 that comes close. The reason I spent an inordinate amount of time in the replay mode.
 
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You are aware that the Bugatti circuit is named after Ettore Bugatti, creator of Bugatti Automobile. So, yeah..it's related.
It isn't. The Veyron comes from Bugatti S.A.S., which is a completely different company the original Bugatti.

And even then, track & car licenses aren't related in any way. Just because you have the track, doesn't mean you get the car. Different people control different licenses.
 
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RGB full is not always the best option, make sure you know what RGB range your TV can handle before using it (btw LCD monitors designed for PC use will be able to use it just fine as they handle the full RGB range).


Regards

Scaff

Thanks for the warning i didnt knew this. 👍
I use a PC monitor so its all good right?
And I can stream 1080p movies this fall
Ehhh have you ever "streamed" files with the size of a 1080p movie?
The buffering will be a pain in the you know what. Just saying.

The 360 is weaker, less capable
This is a stupid comment but also not completely untrue.
The Cell is way faster than the 360 CPU (Xenon right? cant remember) and the GPUs are almost on par (360 GPU is a bit better).
The big budget PS3 exclusive games already look better than everything comparable on 360 (KILLZONE 2, Uncharted 2, GT5P, WipEout HD...).
And the RAM issue also isnt that big, Ninja Theory had Heavenly Sword (which looks incredible) running on the PS3 without even touching the RAM in an early build, the Cell was fast enough to handle this.

EDIT: Btw. im not saying that the 360 is weak or anything, the PS3 is just as faster as the 360 like the Xbox was compared to the PS2.
 
An SPE processor is often used to boost the graphic performance considerably beyond the basic benchmark of the RSX chip in the PS3. And remember, I was joking about F3 maybe having 9 car races, but they couldn't even do that. Not to mention that all the extra content in F2 was stuck on a separate DVD for the FM2 Platinum Edition. There were a lot of arguments about F2 running out of space when the game was finalized for DVD printing in 2007, and looks to be true.

By the way, if you cheaped out and bought the 360 Arcade, you'll be kicking yourself soon enough.
 
You are aware that the Bugatti circuit is named after Ettore Bugatti, creator of Bugatti Automobile. So, yeah..it's related.
No not really. The track and the current company have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Even concerning the old company the track was only named after Ettore, it was never his.
 
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Should never pause if you're shooting right off the screen. Sometimes I would freeze a frame using the option on my Sharp Aquos but it always looks worse than if I were just to shoot unpaused but instead cranking up the ISO on the camera (over 400) and using higher shutter speed. Prologue doesn't any control in replay. Even GT4 comes with just the fast forward command. Saw in your earlier you had shots from Killzone 2. If your TV supports Full RGB, do turn it on and you'll get better contrast and overall better video/picture. Here's a few of mine from the same game: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3324797&postcount=500

I don't know of any other way to shoot a pic in the game I guess. I can't even figure out how to get a pic of my car while in game racing other than bumper/cockpit/third person views. I took some pics though and I am uploading them now, but they are not that good :(

Thanks for the RGB advice. I did turn it on, but it made GT5p look too dark after testing it. I will need to toy with it some more.

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As you can see, I am struggling to get some pictures here. I should wait until it's daylight out and my basement isn't so dark.

It isn't. The Veyron comes from Bugatti S.A.S., which is a completely different company the original Bugatti.

I didn't say Veyron. I was talking Bugatti, the automobile company.

And even then, track & car licenses aren't related in any way. Just because you have the track, doesn't mean you get the car. Different people control different licenses.

I didn't say there were licensed together. I said "maybe, just maybe". It was a hope, and the original Bugatti creator had that track named after him. If you don't like my hopes, no need to post.

Ehhh have you ever "streamed" files with the size of a 1080p movie? The buffering will be a pain in the you know what. Just saying.

It's instant, so I don't see a problem.

Even concerning the old company the track was only named after Ettore, it was never his.

That is exactly what I said.

well if you have a ps3 then why the need to pontificate about the ps3 price then? weird behaviour that

What are you talking about? You should go back and read the thread. I didn't bring the price up. I really wish you would pay attention if you want to be taken seriously. :crazy:
 
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Yeah, I really don't care who wins this console war. In fact, I have more reasons to hate both Sony and Microsoft than I have to praise them.

Yup. You nailed it. I can't stand Microsoft or Sony. I don't care which console wins or loses. I have nothing to gain or nothing to lose. It's not like I am on their payroll or have some shares of stock. I only bought their consoles because that is the only choice I have if I want to play the games that are not on PC (which is a butt load). It wouldn't matter to me if Whirlpool made my console. Just give me games!
 
It's instant, so I don't see a problem.
********, ********, ********. a 5mbps 1080p stream looks like total **** (I encode them all the time for the web, I know what i'm talking about) compared to a 30-54mbps 1080p stream. Not only that, but few broadband connections (save for in major cities) actually maintain a speed greater than 5mbps. Their way around that is by dynamically reducing the resolution as your connection speed drops below 5mbps, so there's times (like during prime time hours, when everyone is trying to access the net at once) when you won't even be getting HD at all, much less full 1080p. A cool idea, in theory, but it's far too soon to actually realize it in practice. The internet just isn't ready for decent instant 1080p streaming. And for it to start instantly, you won't be seeing 1080p when the movie starts. It'll start off sub 1080p and work it's way up as it buffers the 1080p stream. Add to that the fact that it also has to buffer the other lower resolution streams all at once, and you might not get to actual 1080p until well into the movie.
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showpost.php?p=2458895&postcount=21

He does that stuff on a daily basis, so i trust him when it comes to things like that.

EDIT: :lol:@the censoring, sorry, hope its not against the rules, i didnt swear here. :D
 
Microsoft does that stuff for a living as well (they are the worlds largest and richest software predatory monopoly). I suspect they know what they are doing. I am confident that my 25mb connection will do just fine. Netflix 720p compressed movies have been instant as well with a couple second buffer at the beginning. It's pretty nice.

And yup, there will be a ramp up.

From Microsoft:

* Video startup is as close to instantaneous as possible by seamlessly transitioning between many different bitrates and resolutions of video
o Video playback will start at a low bit rate for fast download time and then ramp up to a higher bitrate and quality
o This process enables delivery of up to 1080p with 5.1 surround sound
* Xbox LIVE party mode let you watch movies with your friends even when you’re sitting in different locations
* Enhanced search functions within Zune video on Xbox LIVE let you find your favorite film at the touch of a button
 
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