Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

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Anyone read the article on Top Gear's webpage? They got invited to the Forza 3 pre-release press conference in Germany. They don't outright say it's bad but they're not particularly flattering either. Read it for yourselves and let me know what you think. The last sentence is good:tup:
 
I absolutely detest Dan and Che what I truly think of them I cannot say, However I will still buy FM3 purely because it will probably come out before GT so it will be a stop gap. Also on those R390 shots there is one where the rear wing is hovering in the air.
 
The F40 actually handles pretty nicely, aside from the understeer from being so fast and so light, which makes it too easy to plow into a turn faster than you intended. Its main issue is that throttle modulation is so darn difficult in GT5P on lower-rung tires.

It's not one of the easier car in Prologue to drive but once you learn how to modulate the throttle and the brakes, I would recommend heeding PD's advice and use the N3 tires in order to get the best feel out of the F40 although anything less than a good FFB wheel would make things rather unpleasant.
Here's a lap I did at Suzuka using N3s. The time isn't blazingly fast, 2:31 but if realism is what I'm after, it's mere 6 seconds form the car's RL record on the track. No assists, FFB on the G25 set to 10.

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err.... it is a replay??... i mean... i think i cannot watch replay in cockpit view....
can i?... cause i dind´t find the way... (upsss)
 
Sure you can.
Press X and then switch through the views with select (you could do that in every Gran Turismo so far).
 
Sure you can.
Press X and then switch through the views with select (you could do that in every Gran Turismo so far).
select... that´s the key....
can you believe it? it´s the first time i hear something about select :dunce:

a new world opens for me...
thx!!

wow!!... im wathing now my replays.... never used select before.. .only for in game camera views... never tried in replay mode....
 
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Jay
Stand road version (my pic, not 100% clear)

Maybe that car doesn't have a control arm leading to the passenger front wheel, lol!

I hope Turn 10 goes to PC sim racing, I bet Xobx 360 is keeping them down from creating a master piece... as well same goes to PD, I know PS3 is more capable over 360, but if they go PC, i wonder how will that turn out to be!

The 360 and PS3 are equally capable. PS3 has a better CPU, 360 has a better GPU, 360 has the 10mb Edram, and both are extremely limited by their 512mb of ram. Don't expect much more "realism" this gen with 512mb. PC would be ideal for PD and Turn 10 to show off their talent, and make a run for SIMBIN realism.

Anyone read the article on Top Gear's webpage? They got invited to the Forza 3 pre-release press conference in Germany. They don't outright say it's bad but they're not particularly flattering either. Read it for yourselves and let me know what you think. The last sentence is good:tup:

I just read the entire thing. 90% of it was postive, with bits of satire. The only negative item was page 8 where they felt disconnected from the track (like they do in GT4). That is a great review to be honest. Then again, they aren't gamers (which you could tell by the review).
 
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I just read the entire thing. 90% of it was postive, with bits of satire. The only negative item was page 8 where they felt disconnected from the track (like they do in GT5p). That is a great review to be honest. Then again, they aren't gamers (which you could tell by the review).

Of course everyone has their own interpretation but I just get the impression that the writer wasn't particularly impressed and can't say so because of Turn 10's hospitality.

I've pasted in most of the article for others to read.

Top Gear
The graphics proved to be impressive, on the whole, if not quite photo-realistically breathtaking. The Ferrari 599 trying to overtake alongside, with a rather lush valley as a backdrop, was fairly striking. But then, we probably don't all play games at home on three plasma TVs, side by side.

Forza's colour-coded racing-line guide (there's probably a catchier official title for it) provides a constant reference of the ideal line and braking points, and if you follow it closely, you'll hardly crash at all. Although it can start to feel like a strange game of &#8216;follow the green line' rather than anything like actual driving, so you can turn all the assists off, and go back to crashing regularly if you want.

Actually, there's plenty of adjustability thanks to the amount of assists you can choose, or not, so it seems there'll be a difficulty level most people new to the game can find themselves comfortable with. You can always rewind the race if things get a bit out of hand, but that did feel a bit (or a lot) like cheating.

When things go a bit pear-shaped, the impacts feel nice and solid. But strangely enough, when things are going smoothly, it can feel a bit too, well, smooth. It almost feels like you're driving some kind of magic carpet, hovering just above the track itself. A real feeling of movement and feedback is difficult for a game to accurately create, admittedly, but we couldn't help but feel slightly detached.
 
Wow, im surprised, its written like a really good pre-view (better than on some gaming websites tbh).

Forza wants to be The Definitive Racing Game. We should probably wait until we get a longer go before we decide whether that has been achieved. Rest assured, we'll always be completely unbiased, even if GT5 does have the Top Gear test track...
:lol: Good read imo, better than i expected.
 
Wow, im surprised, its written like a really good pre-view (better than on some gaming websites tbh).

Good point, this is obvious, such previews should be done by people who understand cars, driving and racing, not by those arcade gamers who knew nothing about it.
 
Of course everyone has their own interpretation but I just get the impression that the writer wasn't particularly impressed and can't say so because of Turn 10's hospitality.

I've pasted in most of the article for others to read.

Where did you find this article, i can't find it anywhere on the TG site.
 
Maybe was a placeholder model (early build?), every other car have a completely new 3d model, why base the assumption in just 1 car which is the exception and not the rule?.
There are more examples.

Look the same model with better textures:

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From the trailer(not photomode), same model?

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runqso.jpg
 
Jay
Is that yellow Corvette a Fm3 pic?

Same here. That third photo, with the side yellow Corvette, looks simple and horrible. Before seeing the FIII logo I swore was from Forza 2.

How can be so much variety of graphic quality? Some pictures look great others awful... Which are the most reliable ones? :nervous: Yes, there are differences between racing ingame and photomode, but, even so, this is a mess.
 
Yeah that definitely looks forza 2 quality. Either that or when that shot was taken they had done nothing to the game from forza 2 lol.
 
Well until either game has the new Audi's with their LED running lights and the BMW's have their halo's the games both suck!

/sarcasm
 
This post is just a load of fan boy crap.

if you are into cars then to have more game options is a great thing - of course some will be better than others in different areas - what's wrong with that - they cant be exactly the same!!!

They will both be great games with their own good points and bad points - so what, live with it, get over it!!
 
The thread is about which game is the better overall game. Now peoples opinions will differ on this as they are entitled to. There is no denying both games will be a great experience craste. Even the most hardened of fanboys will, deep down, agree with that.
 
It's not one of the easier car in Prologue to drive but once you learn how to modulate the throttle and the brakes, I would recommend heeding PD's advice and use the N3 tires in order to get the best feel out of the F40 although anything less than a good FFB wheel would make things rather unpleasant.
Here's a lap I did at Suzuka using N3s. The time isn't blazingly fast, 2:31 but if realism is what I'm after, it's mere 6 seconds form the car's RL record on the track. No assists, FFB on the G25 set to 10.

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Very nice lap, makes me want to play Prologue again. 👍👍
 
Very nice lap, makes me want to play Prologue again. 👍👍

EDIT: Ugh. I hope T10 isn't porting older models, again. Do I have to bring up the ME-Four Twelve, Carrera GT or Enzo Ferrari, again? :crazy:

...The second time this happened. Frozen browser = double post. :ill:
 
I just read the entire thing. 90% of it was postive, with bits of satire. The only negative item was page 8 where they felt disconnected from the track (like they do in GT5p). That is a great review to be honest. Then again, they aren't gamers (which you could tell by the review).
There is a Top Gear preview of the Prologue?
 
This post is just a load of fan boy crap.
Well said, and that's why Dan and Che should be banned from GT Planet forever. :lol:

Unlike some posters here, I have only been "fooled" into thinking a couple of FW3 pics are real, though they are for the most part very good. But the variance in quality is really baffling, because not all the crappy pics are old. I suspect that FW3 will be like F2 and we'll be treated to a mixed bag, some things great, some things not so graet. The tire sounds are poo in F2, and they're using the same ones in F3 vids, so I'm praying they're placeholders for new samples. The ones in F1 were actually very good... WHY did they change them?!

Every car oversteers, I hope that's overwith in F3. Cars refused to lean around turns, even old street cars, as if they had stiff racing suspensions, I hope that's gone too. Bugs in the livery editor and Auction House, please be dead!

I have a feeling that F3 is going to be the true F2 we should have had. Some things like the Auction House - or maybe it's the Store Front now look very appetizing. The sandbox style of F3's Career Mode, I'm still dubious about, but as long as I can get all the racing out of the way I want to, or most of it, it's all good. Personally, I think the 360 is about maxed out. I went ahead and ordered the Collector's Edition for the extra goodies... which I can't even remember now. :lol: So along with a few others, I'll give you a full report when it ships.

FW3 is a third gen game in which you usually see a system hitting its stride, so I suspect T10's inability to even squeeze nine cars on track, which was my joke about F3, signals to me that a NextBox is a year or so away, and F4 will be on it. Maybe this time we'll be able to use our existing Logitechs on it. Meh on MS's proprietary crap.

As for the E3 video looking like GT5... it's possible. That trailer is essentially a string of replays. And probably an opening cinema with those jets flying over Daytona, then shifting to the pit area with the cars facing the wrong way as one sharp eyed member here noticed. :D

It's hard to say. As someone mentioned, the gap between Prologue's release and GT5's shipment is about as long as FW3's entire development cycle. Will we be getting a game which is essentially a GT5.5? Could be. Considering the magic Kaz and his team of wizards have been able to accomplish on the PS2 in GT4, I wouldn't be shocked if replays in GT5 looked about as good as the E3 trailer. I'm thinking a bit shy of that, personally, and I'd be as happy as can be if it looked as good as Prologue, because those replays for the most part look astonishingly like racing film. But better? Yeah, I think that's doable.

I will have to reiterate for those who can't stand waiting for every shred of GT5 news out there, I'm afraid that this is what we have to look forward to for the rest of Gran Turismo's lifetime, unless MS gaming dies. Turn 10 basically stole the the entire GT concept, lock stock and spoiler, so there will probably never again be big blowouts of info like we had with GT4 until a month or two before release.
 
Jay
It doesn't, but PD never claimed it would.

Huh? PD never claimed that the car would have any graphic representing a car part that holds the wheel onto the car? I am confused now.

nope he's using the power of assumption

Nope. He's using a mistake. I meant GT4, that last full release title. My bad.
 
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