- 7,068
- UK
FRL~ToCA11~GTP #1~ CHAMPIONS: Ninners (RPM-ECM), AMD87 (Alfa) Team SYM (Nissan)! FINAL TABLES UP!Open
- Thread starter Furinkazen
- 6,918 comments
- 168,795 views
- Status
- 2,947
- Austria
- GTP_SnowCrash
I'm just going to reply once, because I don't want to leave some things standing like that.
While I thank Furi for his kind words, this shouldn't count for much in any particular issue. Just because I'm well respected, that doesn't make me right.
Just as well as you having racing experience in real life doesn't mean a thing in this issue. Pastor Maldonado is racing in F1, but you wouldn't exactly trust him to properly judge any racing situation, now would you? To retreat to that position of "I'm racing in real life so I must be right" only proves that apparently your arguments are weak.
If that is the most overlap you had, I don't really know why you posted that image. If anything, it proves you were in the wrong and it's a showcase for what I mean with "sticking your nose in". Let me just quote the GTP OLR's about corner rights to you…
You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner's turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver's position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.
This is why I had every right to go through the corner like I did.
I find it totally ironic that you both seem to complain about people that actually have real life racing experience in race and championship winning teams
I suppose that's why yous aren't.
While I thank Furi for his kind words, this shouldn't count for much in any particular issue. Just because I'm well respected, that doesn't make me right.
Just as well as you having racing experience in real life doesn't mean a thing in this issue. Pastor Maldonado is racing in F1, but you wouldn't exactly trust him to properly judge any racing situation, now would you? To retreat to that position of "I'm racing in real life so I must be right" only proves that apparently your arguments are weak.
see bumper in line with the B pillar
If that is the most overlap you had, I don't really know why you posted that image. If anything, it proves you were in the wrong and it's a showcase for what I mean with "sticking your nose in". Let me just quote the GTP OLR's about corner rights to you…
You must establish substantial overlap with the car ahead before they reach the corner's turn-in point to have the right to drive up their inside, or to expect them to leave inside room for you. At least the front of your car should be up to the driver's position in the ahead car. The ahead driver has the right to be fully committed to the racing line of their choice without any interference if there was no substantial overlap before he turned in.
This is why I had every right to go through the corner like I did.
- 9,089
- Scotland
Since we are quoting olr on what you did at the exit of the corner
Pushing other cars in turns or pushing them off the track is strictly prohibited.
And also during the corner
When approaching the turn/apex of turn, the car which "holds" the inner side of turn has entrance-advantage and other driver(s) must refrain from endangering him by his actions.
- 2,526
- Afghanistan
Posting that "overlap" image was like Perez posting how his wheel was straight in Canada.
- 2,286
- Marinha Grande
- Yeratel84
Which you clearly didn't...
Indeed... Snow was wrong there, but that move was triggered by your earlier wrongdoing...
- 9,089
- Scotland
I've actually just came across something rather interesting in the replays while doing people's requests.
- 3,894
- Somewhere
- Roflwaffle16
Stop watching me, JB.
- 12,122
- Liverpool
- CARBOYXJR
I'm going to go against my own words here and come out with it.
It's been the subject of debate in PM's. AMD has the most downright bizarre style of taking corners; and it is probably the least respectable or safe driving I've ever come across.
Whilst everyone else who I've ever seen race takes a corner by approaching it, picking a line, braking and then turning in to the apex, you seem to chuck the car in and jam on the brakes, in effect seeing a spot and using your car as a battering ram. Every single overtake I've watched you pull on another driver this season has involved going for the slightest gap possible and pulling your car sideways to try and jam through.
It's more than divebombing, and the pictures above from last season are prime examples of it. In R2 at Spa last season, it was me and you for the win, and we were years ahead of everyone else. Repeatedly (and it must have been at least 3 times), I had to take big avoiding action as you'd go into a corner attempting some kind of reverse-entry handbrake manoeuvre and almost bail me off. In the end, it was you pulling one of those moves so appallingly dangerously that put you out of the lead battle.
I'm not digging up old material for the sake of it. I'm trying to make a point in that it hasn't changed at all, and even if it hasn't affected my races, I can't help but feel sick for those I do see getting hammered off because of it. I know my racing last season was pathetic. My racecraft was an abomination. That's why in T11, I pulled myself together and actually bothered to race fairly. It may not have yielded the results of last year (partly down to the Toyota's lack of pace in traffic), but it's nice to know that when I am involved in an incident, I'm not the culprit with an angry mob and a bad reputation knocking on my door.
Rather perplexingly, whilst you criticise the actions of others because you have "real racing experience" (which shouldn't really account for anything), I've never seen such a driving style exercised on a race track. It's barely acceptable in RX, and that's akin to banger racing.
As a note, I'm not carrying on any stupid handbag incidents from last night, and I'm certainly not trying to derail the thread in any way @Furinkazen, and I'm not trying to be a whinger. I made this post because I feel as though if I didn't say it, nobody would. Ever. And if they did, then I can guarantee there'd be more needless incidents in between because of it. It needs to end for T12.
That's the last I'll speak of the matter.
It's been the subject of debate in PM's. AMD has the most downright bizarre style of taking corners; and it is probably the least respectable or safe driving I've ever come across.
Whilst everyone else who I've ever seen race takes a corner by approaching it, picking a line, braking and then turning in to the apex, you seem to chuck the car in and jam on the brakes, in effect seeing a spot and using your car as a battering ram. Every single overtake I've watched you pull on another driver this season has involved going for the slightest gap possible and pulling your car sideways to try and jam through.
It's more than divebombing, and the pictures above from last season are prime examples of it. In R2 at Spa last season, it was me and you for the win, and we were years ahead of everyone else. Repeatedly (and it must have been at least 3 times), I had to take big avoiding action as you'd go into a corner attempting some kind of reverse-entry handbrake manoeuvre and almost bail me off. In the end, it was you pulling one of those moves so appallingly dangerously that put you out of the lead battle.
I'm not digging up old material for the sake of it. I'm trying to make a point in that it hasn't changed at all, and even if it hasn't affected my races, I can't help but feel sick for those I do see getting hammered off because of it. I know my racing last season was pathetic. My racecraft was an abomination. That's why in T11, I pulled myself together and actually bothered to race fairly. It may not have yielded the results of last year (partly down to the Toyota's lack of pace in traffic), but it's nice to know that when I am involved in an incident, I'm not the culprit with an angry mob and a bad reputation knocking on my door.
Rather perplexingly, whilst you criticise the actions of others because you have "real racing experience" (which shouldn't really account for anything), I've never seen such a driving style exercised on a race track. It's barely acceptable in RX, and that's akin to banger racing.
As a note, I'm not carrying on any stupid handbag incidents from last night, and I'm certainly not trying to derail the thread in any way @Furinkazen, and I'm not trying to be a whinger. I made this post because I feel as though if I didn't say it, nobody would. Ever. And if they did, then I can guarantee there'd be more needless incidents in between because of it. It needs to end for T12.
That's the last I'll speak of the matter.
- 14,015
- Ireland
- driftking18594
- CiaranGTR94
An incorrect exhaust tip?
- 3,894
- Somewhere
- Roflwaffle16
- 9,089
- Scotland
Here's something interesting for yourself @hsv and @snowgt race 2 the exact same thing happened between @Ninners and @snowgt
This is the exact point they went on the brakes
@Ninners is a long way back compared to where i was, you then go to corner entry.
Again snow kept to the far right, the difference? he gave nin racing room which means they were able to go around the corner side by side. So why come across on me?
I feel i have to go back to @Furinkazen post
I feel this is where the problem lies as respect is earned not given, because im still relatively new he feels i shouldn't challenge him and this goes back to last season when i was getting several PSN messages from memebers (not @snowgt i must add) saying that i shouldn't be challenge for race victories after i won the 2 races which i brought up with @Furinkazen and @gokartman78 last season.
There are plenty of racers in this series that i know i can race against and respect @gokartman78 as we had a great battle at the nurb last season @Furinkazen at silverstone international this season, @Andil at several points this year same with @chrisjohnson93 and @Yeratel84 from when we raced at grc (although he might not think so
)And i bet @hsv felt that he was picked on last year as he was new and that was the case as he may have felt bullied by the more "respected" racers
Maybe this is where the problem lies just a lack of respect for each other as im sure we both think when we come across each other "🤬 what's he going to try this time" there's times when ill admit i thought that, very much so at silverstone and im sure you've thought the same as well and possible @Scaniabebe to an extent.
Perhaps we should just draw a line under it, what's done is done and lets more on to next season and everyone to have more respect for each other.
First rounds on @snowgt
You never know maybe @Yeratel84 will allow us to become team mates next season.
Sorry for boring everyone with my views.
Last edited:
- 3,894
- Somewhere
- Roflwaffle16
I think you mean season, not session.
- 9,089
- Scotland
Don't you love iPhone autocorrect.
- 12,122
- Liverpool
- CARBOYXJR
Maybe I got no respect because I gave none on track - to quote @Yeratel84, I was a "little brat".
Y'know, you get what you give, so maybe Snow gave Nin some room because Nin doesn't go serial divebombing.
- 44,185
- Blackburn
- Furinkazen_54
I'll chip in before I head off to get WSC started.
I'll race how others race me. If someone shoves me off deliberately i'll be a bit more forceful when I get to them. An example for me @DK. For me in the first what 5 seasons, whenever I saw him I thought "this little 🤬 going to hit me" (and said it under my breath a few times) and 75% of time it was right. Same with @hsv last season. I remember a steward going through the replays from Brands Indy and asking me "why have you not hit him off, I would have " and for the whole season I was quite frankly going to give you less room. This season there's been one as well who i've had a disagreement or two with when his connection has worked 
- but overall towards seasons end (especially after I tightened the penalty system up) I was happier with peoples driving.
Oh and check your cars fellas... a good load of you were underpowered before R3... I was 17hp down and adjusted that
Overall a great season, end of an era for this type of "no aero" racing ToCA has had but I feel it's right time to unleash the ToCA12 monsters.
Thanks for the season guys
I'll race how others race me. If someone shoves me off deliberately i'll be a bit more forceful when I get to them. An example for me @DK. For me in the first what 5 seasons, whenever I saw him I thought "this little 🤬 going to hit me" (and said it under my breath a few times
) and 75% of time it was right. Same with @hsv last season. I remember a steward going through the replays from Brands Indy and asking me "why have you not hit him off, I would have " and for the whole season I was quite frankly going to give you less room. This season there's been one as well who i've had a disagreement or two with when his connection has worked - but overall towards seasons end (especially after I tightened the penalty system up) I was happier with peoples driving.Oh and check your cars fellas... a good load of you were underpowered before R3... I was 17hp down and adjusted that
Overall a great season, end of an era for this type of "no aero" racing ToCA has had but I feel it's right time to unleash the ToCA12 monsters.
Thanks for the season guys
- 15,972
- Devon UK
- johnboy-1975-
Good idea.
- 3,894
- Somewhere
- Roflwaffle16
I'll get Harsk on your case. That is once he gets a working PS3, his current one is YLOD, y'know.Good idea.
- 2,947
- Austria
- GTP_SnowCrash
You'll be relieved to hear I did close the door on Ninners exactly the same way at Paddock Hill Bend earlier in that race. This second situation I chose not to force an issue as a championship decider, so I backed off.
I do agree we should end the discussion. Let's move on.
- Status
