FRL~ToCA12 - Ninners, Furinkazen, FAS, Volvo, Champions!Finished 

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Spurgy 777
The Volvo isn't OP, there's just OP drivers driving them. I mean Furi has exactly the same car, and he's only been running mid field, in an OP car, Furi should be consistently challenging for 3rd, like he did when I last raced.
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If Furi challenging for 3rd is your indicator for an OP'd car (meaning that he can beat the whole rest of the field in all other cars), then it must be quite a lot OP'd. No offense to Furi.

So, 0.7s in first sector at Spa is the product of superior driving skills through La Source? Because Eau Rouge is flat out in the Hyundai (and probably other cars), so I wouldn't know how else I would lose that much time to the "OP-drivers".

I'm not saying that some of the gap isn't driver related - it certainly is, but the power cut the Volvo got apparently cost it something like 2 tenths when the gap was about 1.5s before.

So, it is OP. It's not 1.5s-OP, but it is clearly, in my opinion. I don't think it matters much anymore though, because the championships are already decided anyway.
 
snowgt
If Furi challenging for 3rd is your indicator for an OP'd car (meaning that he can beat the whole rest of the field in all other cars), then it must be quite a lot OP'd. No offense to Furi.
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Not really, Furi's natural pace is the front of mid field, putting him at least in the top 8, consistently challenging for 3rd would put him around the top 5, it's hardly a big leap, you saw it in the last Volvo I raced, and that was at most 2-3 tenths a lap faster.

So, 0.7s in first sector at Spa is the product of superior driving skills through La Source? Because Eau Rouge is flat out in the Hyundai (and probably other cars), so I wouldn't know how else I would lose that much time to the "OP-drivers".
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Your car is slower in a straight line, of course you lose time through there. But in the middle sector the Hyundais were easily all over the back of me, which is why when it comes to overall lap time, I only out qualified you by a 2-3 tenths at most.

I'm not saying that some of the gap isn't driver related - it certainly is, but the power cut the Volvo got apparently cost it something like 2 tenths when the gap was about 1.5s before.

So, it is OP. It's not 1.5s-OP, but it is clearly, in my opinion. I don't think it matters much anymore though, because the championships are already decided anyway.
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It's not 1.5 seconds at all, Mole out qualified you, or Yera, by a second, and he somehow found 3-4 tenths out of nowhere (don't know if he had slipstream or not), and if I'd put a better lap together, I doubt id be much more than half a second faster than you, and that's at a track where the Volvo should be stronger.
 
snowgt
If Furi challenging for 3rd is your indicator for an OP'd car (meaning that he can beat the whole rest of the field in all other cars), then it must be quite a lot OP'd. No offense to Furi.
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I'll remember that next time you try to overtake me SYM ;).

The main factor is I think the cars make time in very different ways. Volvo is proficient on straights with Hyundai epic in handling sections. So rather than differences being 0.1 /.2 per sector, it's more like a 0.3 / 0.4 swing per sector. Also @Andil got Renault competitive, whereas others have struggled.

And sorry if this comes off a bit poor, but I apologise in advance for rediscovering how to drive lately. All who want me to return to my ToCA 10/11 mediocrity say aye. And hope for it.
 
Spurgy 777
Your car is slower in a straight line, of course you lose time through there. But in the middle sector the Hyundais were easily all over the back of me, which is why when it comes to overall lap time, I only out qualified you by a 2-3 tenths at most.
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I'm not sure about everybody's actual lap times in quali. The times I know about were...
Andil: 2:26.5
Spurgy: ?
Yeratel: ?
Snow: 2:27.8

Of course the gap came mainly from sectors 1&3, but the point is that you can do what you want in sector 2, you can gain maybe 2-3 tenths if you're lucky and hit every apex, but it's quite a lot easier to just floor it and let superior acceleration gain you back half a second on every straight. (By the way, it's not really that the Volvo has superior top speed, I found, it's mostly acceleration)

Spurgy 777
It's not 1.5 seconds at all, Mole out qualified you, or Yera, by a second, and he somehow found 3-4 tenths out of nowhere (don't know if he had slipstream or not), and if I'd put a better lap together, I doubt id be much more than half a second faster than you, and that's at a track where the Volvo should be stronger.
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I agree with you that Spa should be a track where the Volvo should be stronger. So is Monza. The point I tried to make is, that there doesn't appear to be a track where the Volvo is actually at a disadvantage (which would prove that overall it is OP'd). Because I couldn't name one track where that is the case. Brands Indy should have been one, and we were close (only about 0.1 or 0.2 difference), and I admit that could have been down to Ninners being a couple of tenths faster as a driver. But even without his skill advantage, the car would have been maybe a tenth or two slower than the Hyundai at the most. Now compare that with something like 1s difference on some other tracks. That doesn't exactly come out as +/-0 over the whole season.

Saying that, I'm not aggressively trying to argue for a spec-change this late in the season. We all picked our cars according to what we found in testing, and I also didn't see the Volvo's potential before the season. Apart from the fact that most Volvos were already taken ;), I wouldn't have picked it from my own testing (probably because of a total lack of setup). It's tricky doing a BoP with unknown potential in setups, and it just so happened that this one developed into a slightly lopsided one over the season. It happens, and it's not the end of the world. But equal the cars are not.
 
snowgt
I agree with you that Spa should be a track where the Volvo should be stronger. So is Monza. The point I tried to make is, that there doesn't appear to be a track where the Volvo is actually at a disadvantage (which would prove that overall it is OP'd). Because I couldn't name one track where that is the case. Brands Indy should have been one, and we were close (only about 0.1 or 0.2 difference), and I admit that could have been down to Ninners being a couple of tenths faster as a driver. But even without his skill advantage, the car would have been maybe a tenth or two slower than the Hyundai at the most. Now compare that with something like 1s difference on some other tracks. That doesn't exactly come out as +/-0 over the whole season.

Saying that, I'm not aggressively trying to argue for a spec-change this late in the season. We all picked our cars according to what we found in testing, and I also didn't see the Volvo's potential before the season. Apart from the fact that most Volvos were already taken ;), I wouldn't have picked it from my own testing (probably because of a total lack of setup). It's tricky doing a BoP with unknown potential in setups, and it just so happened that this one developed into a slightly lopsided one over the season. It happens, and it's not the end of the world. But equal the cars are not.
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I'm quoting this so Furi reads it twice. 👍👍👍👍
 
For what it's worth the best time I'd done on new tyres / full fuel load (i.e. lap 2) was a 27.1. Then pulled a 26.5 out of nowhere in quali. My S1 was good (0.1 down on my best) but my S2 was perfect (0.5 up on what I'd ever managed before), S3 was so-so (nervous at seeing the laptime delta...).

Best I ran in a race was 26.9, with 27s being more usual. So please don't use a 26.5 as a comparison, I won't be able to manage that lap time again.

I'd be interested in seeing best sector times from around the lap to see where the time is actually gained, I'm not so sure it's all S1/S3 like people think.
 
Andil
I'd be interested in seeing best sector times from around the lap to see where the time is actually gained, I'm not so sure it's all S1/S3 like people think.
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I would usually lose .8-.9 in S1, .3-.4 in S2, and another .8-.9 in S3. A lot of the S3 time though probably comes from my inability to figure out the chicane.
 
Andil is really fast in the first sector for no apparent reason. Me & him were testing and he always had a third of a second in that sector which is just La Source effectively (Volvo can just about take Eau Rouge flat) but I always made up that time in the middle sector putting me about 0.1/0.2 ahead into the final sector and he'd be about a tenth faster there. However when I tested the Nissan it was 1 second slower in the first sector but 0.3 up in the middle so it does balance out a little bit before we get to the third sector which is mainly straights.

Also Andil's 26.5 was probably one of those fluke laps where everything comes together. I was averaging 48.6s at Monza and he set a 48.3 and I was like 'I need to go faster' and beat his time by a tenth (and improved my PB by 0.4) out of nowhere. As it turns out he was running a lower fuel load when he did that time so it didn't really matter but I was still surprised where the lap time came from.
 
Spurgy 777
Not really, Furi's natural pace is the front of mid field, putting him at least in the top 8, consistently challenging for 3rd would put him around the top 5, it's hardly a big leap, you saw it in the last Volvo I raced, and that was at most 2-3 tenths a lap faster.
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Is this race pace with a certain car, or actual driving pace on GT6? If he's at that, why am I not getting podiums every race? I mean, I've been able to race against Nin and similarly paced drivers in other series, and race them hard (and beat them), so why am I 3-ish seconds off such cars?

This isn't even factoring TT's etc, and the post-Clio Cup race me and Furi did round Brands - remember that? I challenged him to it, 2 laps, I won by 24 seconds I think?

I'm not trying to lessen the achievements of the fastest guys, they're up at the top for a good reason, but it's more than iffy to say the least that ToCA has such a mismatch of talent from the front to the back of the grid.
 
hsv
This isn't even factoring TT's etc, and the post-Clio Cup race me and Furi did round Brands - remember that? I challenged him to it, 2 laps, I won by 24 seconds I think?
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It was pretty obvious you were going to win that race from the start really. That was in the Honda HSV Super GT car wasn't it?

We even saw in Clios that Furi tended to be in the midfield in the same car (using last season as an example as this season has less numbers and tuning)
 
Ninners
It was pretty obvious you were going to win that race from the start really. That was in the Honda HSV Super GT car wasn't it?
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Aye, my RAYBRIG. But my point still stands.
 
hsv
Is this race pace with a certain car, or actual driving pace on GT6? If he's at that, why am I not getting podiums every race? I mean, I've been able to race against Nin and similarly paced drivers in other series, and race them hard (and beat them), so why am I 3-ish seconds off such cars?

This isn't even factoring TT's etc, and the post-Clio Cup race me and Furi did round Brands - remember that? I challenged him to it, 2 laps, I won by 24 seconds I think?

I'm not trying to lessen the achievements of the fastest guys, they're up at the top for a good reason, but it's more than iffy to say the least that ToCA has such a mismatch of talent from the front to the back of the grid.
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Don't bring a piece of crap race that was nearly as bad as your driving that season up.
 
Scaniabebe
Just to lighten the mood guys...
I bought a new router off Amazon the other day...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DSL-N12U-B1-300Mbps-Wireless-Router/dp/B00AAVW7G4/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1415643553&sr=8-7&keywords=ASUS Router

Just a note, it's gone up in price since I purchased it last night ;)
At least we can hope for a bit more of a stable connection on my front...
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You coming back next season? Would be nice.

yes i know we were rivals last season but 1 more entrant is better than none
 

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