FRL~WSC VIII - GTP #1 Enduros! FURI & ANDIL WIN THE FINAL AT SPA!Finished

[Furinkazen]

Hmm well checking over something.

 

[Roflwaffle]

What?

 

[Downhill Dino]

Pretty awful night for me tonight, the only positive thing I can think of is the fact I didn't qualify last as I was around 4 seconds off the pace. Kept crashing and the only battle I had in the 2 hours was with Daiba and even that ended in me getting lag 🤬 into the slow hairpin in the village which caused a traffic jam

Really sorry about that! I was following closely and suddenly your car launched into the wall and I rear ended you (I guess that was a second time on your screen). Unfortunate that there happened to be like 3 or 4 people behind us that got stuck.

Lag sucks.

Also sorry jammy for that time you rear ended me. I had slid off the track and just recovered, I was going about 10 mph and saw you coming but there was nothing I could do. Accelerating uphill doesn't work too well.

 

[LancerEvo7]

Also a big to all the GT-O drivers for being incredibly sporting and predictable when being lapped. 👍

 

[Furinkazen]

Also a big to all the GT-O drivers for being incredibly sporting and predictable when being lapped. 👍

Unless you are @snowgt

 

[jammy21]

My race was already gone so one more pit stop didn't make any different. I saw you but couldn't void contact.

Also sorry jammy for that time you rear ended me. I had slid off the track and just recovered, I was going about 10 mph and saw you coming but there was nothing I could do. Accelerating uphill doesn't work too well.

 

[Ninners]

So tonight I found out the car works better without body rigidity...so I ran 3 races with the slower package...

 

[Pluxtheduck]

I'm rebuilding the Jag for Daytona...

 

[Furinkazen]

Race result subject to change. Daytona entry list will be updated and released tomorrow.

 

[chrisjohnson93]

Race result subject to change. Daytona entry list will be updated and released tomorrow.

How?

 

[Furinkazen]

How?

No further comment.

 

[Ninners]

Also had some shifting issues in the middle part of the race causing some scary moments.

 

[Pluxtheduck]

Also had some shifting issues in the middle part of the race causing some scary moments.

I lost force feedback at one point!

 

[jammy21]

Funny now that you both said these I had some of those too - didn't believe it - I was thinking what's happening - but now I could say it was true then.

Also had some shifting issues in the middle part of the race causing some scary moments.

I lost force feedback at one point!

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

So tonight I found out the car works better without body rigidity...so I ran 3 races with the slower package...

Generally speaking "Improved Body Rigidity" just adds understeer. It only benefits a select few cars.

 

[jammy21]

So could GT40 benefits from it? I have not noticed any different with it or without it. Car is still hard to drive

Generally speaking "Improved Body Rigidity" just adds understeer. It only benefits a select few cars.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

So could GT40 benefits from it? I have not noticed any different with it or without it. Car is still hard to drive

Possibly. The only way to know is to try both and see.

Easiest way to make the car stable is just add a ton of rear toe in.

 

[jammy21]

Yeah and try to do it more understeer

Possibly. The only way to know is to try both and see.

Easiest way to make the car stable is just add a ton of rear toe in.

 

[snowgt]

Unless you are @snowgt

Furi, you had a way of always catching my back at the beginning of the twisty section at the bottom. For a while it felt like you were appearing in my mirrors there every other lap. You would get by me, then apparently crash, pit and try to get by again.

And I just adhered to the rule of letting GT-P's find their own way around the GT-O's. It wasn't like the GT-O's were that much slower down there.

 

[snowgt]

Had a good qualifying to get pole and got away in the lead. But then @jammy21 had an off in the chicane after start/finish and I had to slow down, which @raceorama123432 used to squeeze by. I then followed for a couple of laps until he also had some problems at the same spot and I basically made the same move back on him. I then managed to stretch my lead and lost track a bit on how much I was in front. After about 37(?) minutes, @smuffyatfcp must have had an accident and @Yeratel84 spun at the downhill braking zone right in front of me. I couldn't really avoid him as I was also full on the brakes already. Clipped his front and got some damage. I switched from my intended 1-stop to a 2-stop strategy then, but as my concentration faded I had 2 more minor offs with a little damage and after stopping to repair the second one, suddenly @Roflwaffle was in the lead. Luckily, I managed to pull myself together again and finished the last 50 minutes in one stint without doing anything stupid.

Pole was 41.0, fast lap 40.9 (although I have no recollection of that lap - I certainly don't remember pushing it, so maybe I got a tow from a GT-P). Very content with another maximum points finish.

My apologies to @LancerEvo7 for obstructing you early on. Thought you were going left, so I went right, but you went right, so I was blocking you, allowing @Ninners to get through. Don't like to play a part in fights for the lead.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

And I just adhered to the rule of letting GT-P's find their own way around the GT-O's.

You really should change that rule to a more conventional multi-class rule in future @Furinkazen.

Passing GT-Os would be a lot more straight forward and less time consuming (for both GT-P and GT-O driver) if GT-Os were to let GT-Ps by in a safe manner. The GT-O driver picks their line and the GT-P driver works around that.

The current rule puts far too much onus on the GT-P driver to make a clean move and means that GT-O drivers are able to hold up the GT-Ps to a large extent unless the GT-O driver is playing nice.

After all, the GT-O drivers are being lapped, and should adhere to blue flag conditions (which is not the case under the current rules).

Just my 2¢ anyway.

 

[Furinkazen]

ROLEX 24 AT DAYTONA ENTRY LIST (v1): PLEASE CONFIRM YOUR ATTENDANCE / AVAILABILITY AS A RESERVE!


GT-P (7 entries)
#1 Jaguar XJ13 @DrifterJoe (GT-P)
#5 Jaguar XJ13 @Pluxtheduck (GT-P)
#17 Ferrari 330P4 @rustyMercedes (GT-P)
#21 Ford GT40 Grp.4 @jammy21 (GT-P)
#38 Ford Mk IV @gtpanoz (GT-P)
#44 Shelby Daytona @Ninners (GT-P)
#54 Ford Mk IV @Furinkazen (GT-P)

GT-O (9 entries - PRO 4, AM 5)
#16 Mercedes 300SL @Roflwaffle (AM)
#19 Shelby Mustang @Siggers (AM)
#23 Ferrari 250GTO @Downhill Dino (AM)
#35 Shelby Mustang @R0ssingt0n (PRO)
#43 Ferrari 250GTB @raceorama123432 (PRO)
#85 Corvette C2 @FlyingFox (AM)
#72 Ferrari 250GTO @snowgt (PRO)
#93 Jaguar E Type @chrisjohnson93 (AM)
#99 Mercedes 300SL @smuffyatfcp (PRO)

RESERVE ENTRIES (ALL CLASSES)
#07 Shelby Mustang @RyanRacer (AM)
#043 Ferrari 330 P4 @LancerEvo7 (GT-P)
#12 Ferrari 250GTO @Yeratel84 (PRO)
#31 BMW 507 @MatheusBond (AM)
#94 Shelby Daytona @RACECAR (GT-P)


Just to note that Drivers who show poor driving standards and / or rage quit events will lose their place in the starting line up for the next race!

You really should change that rule to a more conventional multi-class rule in future @Furinkazen.

Passing GT-Os would be a lot more straight forward and less time consuming (for both GT-P and GT-O driver) if GT-Os were to let GT-Ps by in a safe manner- that is to say that the GT-O driver picks either outside or inside line and the GT-P takes the other.

The current rule puts far too much onus on the GT-P driver to make a clean move and means that GT-O drivers are able to hold up the GT-Ps to a large extent unless the GT-O driver is playing nice.

After all, the GT-O drivers are being lapped, and should adhere to blue flag conditions (which is not the case under the current rules).

Just my 2¢ anyway.

It has worked for what, 5 seasons now? Simple fact that it is easier for a GT-P to go around slower cars than have to react to the judgements of a slower GT-O. Doesn't do sportscars IRL any harm either...

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

It has worked for what, 5 seasons now? Simple fact that it is easier for a GT-P to go around slower cars than have to react to the judgements of a slower GT-O. Doesn't do sportscars IRL any harm either...

Except IRL blue flags are utilised- the slower driver is to hold his/her line to allow the faster car to pass. That's all I'm suggesting should happen, that the rule needs expanding a bit.

The GT-P driver should have the responsibility to make a clean pass but the GT-O driver should hold their line.

 

[Furinkazen]

Except IRL blue flags are utilised- the slower driver is to hold his/her line to allow the faster car to pass. That's all I'm suggesting should happen, that the rule needs expanding a bit.

Thats what the rules are - slower cars hold there racing lane. GT-P pass through. Problem us had was simply no room for an overtake for the whole final half a lap.

 

[snowgt]

You really should change that rule to a more conventional multi-class rule in future @Furinkazen.

Passing GT-Os would be a lot more straight forward and less time consuming (for both GT-P and GT-O driver) if GT-Os were to let GT-Ps by in a safe manner- that is to say that the GT-O driver picks either outside or inside line and the GT-P takes the other.

The current rule puts far too much onus on the GT-P driver to make a clean move and means that GT-O drivers are able to hold up the GT-Ps to a large extent unless the GT-O driver is playing nice.

After all, the GT-O drivers are being lapped, and should adhere to blue flag conditions (which is not the case under the current rules).

Just my 2¢ anyway.

It has worked for what, 5 seasons now? Simple fact that it is easier for a GT-P to go around slower cars than have to react to the judgements of a slower GT-O. Doesn't do sportscars IRL any harm either...

I think it does work and people usually don't make it extra hard on the GT-P field. Matterhorn was something like the worst case scenario for any overtaking, because there's hardly any straights in the second part of the track, so even the GT-P's cannot use their power to get past easily and GT-O's would lose a lot of time waiting for each GT-P to go by.

I think, as long as everyone's behaviour is consistent towards all cars, it evens out anyway.

 

[Ninners]

Thats what the rules are - slower cars hold there racing lane. GT-P pass through. Problem us had was simply no room for an overtake for the whole final half a lap.

Their*

 

[RACECAR]

I'm available for Sunday. Just hope connection issues are sorted before then otherwise I'm just wasting time.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Thats what the rules are - slower cars hold there racing lane. GT-P pass through. Problem us had was simply no room for an overtake for the whole final half a lap.

I was under the impression from a previous series (can't find which one the rule is clarified in) that the rule put the onus on the prototype.

If the rule is that the GT-P driver has the responsibility to execute a clean pass and that the GT-O driver is to maintain their line and be predictable then that's fine.

 

[Furinkazen]

I was under the impression from a previous series (can't find which one the rule is clarified in) that the rule put the onus on the prototype.

If the rule is that the GT-P driver has the responsibility to execute a clean pass and that the GT-O driver is to maintain their line and be predictable then that's fine.

👍

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

👍

Really should have said "put too much onus on the PT and not enough on the GT". Otherwise that post just looks like I contradicted my self massively.

This is what I'm eluding to:


GT picks a line, prototype works around it. But the GT driver should make some concessions to allow the faster car to pass, not just blindly keep following his/her racing line. 👍