FRL - WSC X - THE 12th LE MANS CLASSIC TO FILO & ANDIL; THE CHAMPIONSHIPS TO JAMMY & SNOWGT!Finished

[raceorama123432]

If you make the Corvette any faster though it will make the tyre wear worse

 

[FlyingFox]

@snowgt @Carbonox @raceorama123432

I asked @Furinkazen to BoP the drivers rather than the cars but that was met with a resounding no.

This season the Vette has gained another 40Kg making tyre ware even more of a problem. So I really don't have any answers save adding ballast to the other cars.

 

[Furinkazen]

@snowgt @Carbonox @raceorama123432

I asked @Furinkazen to BoP the drivers rather than the cars but that was met with a resounding no.

This season the Vette has gained another 40Kg making tyre ware even more of a problem. So I really don't have any answers save adding ballast to the other cars.

BoP drivers is single handedly the most stupid idea ever suggested in this championship, with such big differences in race types. What if you win and next race is a power track? No point turning up as you'll lose 10mph.

Partially due to PD logic, ballast can actually speed cars up, pretty sure we tried that in GT-P with the Ferrari one time...

Daytona is best track for comparing cars on the schedule. Mix of everything in there. I'll review BoP after that race. On BoP subjects, felt GT-P was much more even this week 👍

 

[FlyingFox]

I'll turn up at Daytona to see what happens.

Talking to Furi =

 

[Furinkazen]

I'll turn up at Daytona to see what happens.

Talking to Furi =

Rushing into things = 👎

3 fastest drivers in the field are in 1 car as well.

 

[FlyingFox]

The remaining calendar and will I be racing:

Daytona, Yes
Willow, No
Bathurst, Maybe
Eiger, Maybe
Monza, Yes
Silverstone, Maybe
Spa, Maybe
Le Mans, Yes

 

[snowgt]

@snowgt @Carbonox @raceorama123432

I asked @Furinkazen to BoP the drivers rather than the cars but that was met with a resounding no.

This season the Vette has gained another 40Kg making tyre ware even more of a problem. So I really don't have any answers save adding ballast to the other cars.

Success ballast is a whole different issue, and I think that's just a matter of preference that should be up to the host. As in real life, there's series with and without it, and it's more up to which philosophy a series is following than anything else. A case can be made for both sides.

To be exact, the Vette was given +20kg for this year (not +40), because it was faster in both corners (by a lot) and straights (a bit less) compared to the Cobra. As I said, the focus was primarily to even the cars on one lap, not hour-long stints. I didn't even know how long most of the races would be by that point, because the calendar was far from being released. So, the issue of tyre wear didn't really materialize until the first races were run. Nevertheless, I'm still convinced that last season's spec would definitely be too fast. Just to illustrate: if you make a car faster by only 0.5s per lap (say, on a 1:30 lap), that's 40 seconds over a 2 hour-race distance, i.e. more than the additional pitstop takes, that might be necessary.

 

[FlyingFox]

SJust to illustrate: if you make a car faster by only 0.5s per lap (say, on a 1:30 lap), that's 40 seconds over a 2 hour-race distance, i.e. more than the additional pitstop takes, that might be necessary.

Well that's OK I'll keep up with you now Snow LOL

And my BoPing the drivers was actually aimed at BHP not ballast.

It’s a head-scratcher for sure.

 

[smuffyatfcp]

At first I agreed with fox that the corvette was a little underpowered, as carb and I are generally close in speed (ToCA for reference). So I gave the corvette a go today and would dare to say its a little overpowered

After 20 mins of testing I'd beaten my quali time from last night by a tenth and 20 mins more saw me fall to within 4 tenths of my fastest time from the race on half fuel and near enough fresh tyres (10 all round)

Best was a 1:34.4, done in 5-6 lap stints on a full tank

 

[FlyingFox]

At first I agreed with fox that the corvette was a little underpowered, as carb and I are generally close in speed (ToCA for reference). So I gave the corvette a go today and would dare to say its a little overpowered

After 20 mins of testing I'd beaten my quali time from last night by a tenth and 20 mins more saw me fall to within 4 tenths of my fastest time from the race on half fuel and near enough fresh tyres (10 all round)

Best was a 1:34.4, done in 5-6 lap stints on a full tank

The Vettes problem is that its overweight and judging by your testing it is the drivers that need reeling in and not the cars!!!

Hey @snowgt could you try reducing its weight and power and keep its PP?

 

[snowgt]

The Vettes problem is that its overweight and judging by your testing it is the drivers that need reeling in and not the cars!!!

Hey @snowgt could you try reducing its weight and power and keep its PP?

I can try, but I'm not sure we'll get the desired result. If I had to guess the lower weight will widen the gap through the turns where the Vette is already faster than the Cobra, but the then necessary power cut will render it useless on straights. I will give it a try though.

 

[Siggers]

You are complaining about the Vette but my Ferrari was over a second a lap off the pace last night. Then again it was quickest at HSR so what goes around comes around I guess. But the problem now is nearly all of the remaining races with the exception of Monza and le mans are twisty, tight handling tracks. I understand why fox is frustrated because when you can roughly predict the result you sometimes wonder why you even bother showing up.

 

[snowgt]

At first I agreed with fox that the corvette was a little underpowered, as carb and I are generally close in speed (ToCA for reference). So I gave the corvette a go today and would dare to say its a little overpowered

After 20 mins of testing I'd beaten my quali time from last night by a tenth and 20 mins more saw me fall to within 4 tenths of my fastest time from the race on half fuel and near enough fresh tyres (10 all round)

Best was a 1:34.4, done in 5-6 lap stints on a full tank

Mhm, I had an inkling the Vette might actually have the edge there. Laguna favours the ones with good corner speed.

You are complaining about the Vette but my Ferrari was over a second a lap off the pace last night. Then again it was quickest at HSR so what goes around comes around I guess. But the problem now is nearly all of the remaining races with the exception of Monza and le mans are twisty, tight handling tracks. I understand why fox is frustrated because when you can roughly predict the result you sometimes wonder why you even bother showing up.

Yeah, the Ferrari has a narrow power-band, so it seems to suffer through the uphill accelerating.

But I'd like to remind people that this comes with this kind of racing. Every car in the field has its advantages over other cars at certain tracks and it's up to the driver to use those to his best abilities. If your car is good for the track, go for the podium or the win, and if the car is problematic on some track, then try to get the best out of it nevertheless. I found that getting a result better than what a car should be able to achieve is sometimes much more rewarding than getting the win you were supposed to get anyway, because your car was the best in the field.

If everybody just turned up when they thought they could win, we'd have very small fields.

 

[FlyingFox]

I can try, but I'm not sure we'll get the desired result. If I had to guess the lower weight will widen the gap through the turns where the Vette is already faster than the Cobra, but the then necessary power cut will render it useless on straights. I will give it a try though.

OK mate cheers. I'm greatful that you'll even try and solve this problem. Even if it does not work at least you gave it a shot 👍

You are complaining about the Vette but my Ferrari was over a second a lap off the pace last night. Then again it was quickest at HSR so what goes around comes around I guess. But the problem now is nearly all of the remaining races with the exception of Monza and le mans are twisty, tight handling tracks. I understand why fox is frustrated because when you can roughly predict the result you sometimes wonder why you even bother showing up.

At last someone understands where I'm coming from.

 

[LancerEvo7]

And my BoPing the drivers was actually aimed at BHP not ballast.

The only issue with this is it'd create divebombing.

I see where you're coming from, but this form of racing doesn't really work with any form of handicap system, there's too many variables.

 

[smuffyatfcp]

The BHP balancing would work over a single lap, but it would allow for better fuel and tyre use as well as drivability on the twisty tracks.

I'd be happy to share the setup I used today to test the Vette though.

 

[FlyingFox]

The BHP balancing would work over a single lap, but it would allow for better fuel and tyre use as well as drivability on the twisty tracks.

I'd be happy to share the setup I used today to test the Vette though.

Please PM me Smuffy. Cheers mate 👍

 

[Furinkazen]

First couple of these, more to come later in week.

 

[LancerEvo7]

Prototype fast laps at Le Mans...

 

[Furinkazen]

Daytona is the first of the unofficial Triple Crown which also incorporates Spa and the Le Mans Classic. The entry list might raise some heads with a very interesting appearance for one event in GT-O...

ROLEX 24 @ DAYTONA ENTRY LIST

GT-P (5 Entries)
#1 FORD MK IV @LancerEvo7
#12 JAGUAR XJ13 @Yeratel84
#15 FORD MK IV @Panoz
#54 FORD MK IV @Furinkazen
#93 JAGUAR XJ13 @chrisjohnson93

GT-O (11 Entries)
#2 SHELBY COBRA @raceorama123432
#10 ALPINE A110 @hsv
#19 FERRARI 250GTO @Siggers
#20 SHELBY COBRA @smuffyatfcp
#34 PLYMOUTH CUDA @The Stig Farmer
#56 CORVETTE C3 @Carbonox
#72 SHELBY COBRA @snowgt
#77 CORVETTE C3 @Andil
#85 CORVETTE C3 @FlyingFox
#90 ALPINE A110 @andrew1990
#94 FERRARI 250GTO @DK

RESERVE ENTRIES
#41 PLYMOUTH CUDA @RACECAR

ABSENT (Please Confirm!)
#21 FERRARI 330P4 @jammy21

 

[jammy21]

I still have little chance to race at Daytona. I'll know more tomorrow.

 

[LancerEvo7]

Furi, are the DNF reasons random or are they based on how the person left the race? Just curious.

 

[Furinkazen]

I still have little chance to race at Daytona. I'll know more tomorrow.

Cheers, keep us posted and i'll re-instate you.

Furi, are the DNF reasons random or are they based on how the person left the race? Just curious.

Little bit, also little bit of fun. Rage quit after a crash I'd write "Accident"

 

[snowgt]

Daytona is the first of the unofficial Triple Crown which also incorporates Spa and the Le Mans Classic. The entry list might raise some heads with a very interesting appearance for one event in GT-O...

ROLEX 24 @ DAYTONA ENTRY LIST

GT-P (5 Entries)
#1 FORD MK IV @LancerEvo7
#12 JAGUAR XJ13 @Yeratel84
#15 FORD MK IV @Panoz
#54 FORD MK IV @Furinkazen
#93 JAGUAR XJ13 @chrisjohnson93

GT-O (11 Entries)
#2 SHELBY COBRA @raceorama123432
#10 ALPINE A110 @hsv
#19 FERRARI 250GTO @Siggers
#20 SHELBY COBRA @smuffyatfcp
#34 PLYMOUTH CUDA @The Stig Farmer
#56 CORVETTE C3 @Carbonox
#72 SHELBY COBRA @snowgt
#77 CORVETTE C3 @Andil
#85 CORVETTE C3 @FlyingFox
#90 ALPINE A110 @andrew1990
#94 FERRARI 250GTO @DK

RESERVE ENTRIES
#41 PLYMOUTH CUDA @RACECAR

ABSENT (Please Confirm!)
#21 FERRARI 330P4 @jammy21

Andil in the Vette should be a good indication of what the car can theoretically do.

 

[Carbonox]

Andil in the Vette should be a good indication of what the car can theoretically do.

Didn't I already do that by challenging Smuffy and O'Rama and briefly taking the lead from them?

 

[LancerEvo7]

Didn't I already do that by challenging Smuffy and O'Rama and briefly taking the lead from them?

Penguins don't count, duh.

 

[snowgt]

Didn't I already do that by challenging Smuffy and O'Rama and briefly taking the lead from them?

Sure you did, but I knew that the Vette was competitive on a single lap from my own testing. The main problem is tyre wear though, and as far as I remember you did have to do an additional pit stop as well in the 2-hour races.

Also, the more samples, the better.

 

[Carbonox]

Sure you did, but I knew that the Vette was competitive on a single lap from my own testing. The main problem is tyre wear though, and as far as I remember you did have to do an additional pit stop as well in the 2-hour races.

Also, the more samples, the better.

Speaking of single laps, I appear to have been over a second clear of everyone else at Le Mans. No idea how. Oh, and there was Ettick too, who was one of the frontrunners at Brands.

Now that you're here, why did you seemingly deliberately start from the rear at that season opener, anyway?

 

[Furinkazen]

Sure you did, but I knew that the Vette was competitive on a single lap from my own testing. The main problem is tyre wear though, and as far as I remember you did have to do an additional pit stop as well in the 2-hour races.

Also, the more samples, the better.

Biq question was were the Corvette guys pushing? the car, or being conservative,... Smuffy did an 80 minute stint.

 

[Carbonox]

Biq question was were the Corvette guys pushing? the car, or being conservative,... Smuffy did an 80 minute stint.

I can't speak for others, but I'm always conservative, it's an endurance series after all. Well, maybe I make an exception if there's other cars to chase for position, but I still at least try to avoid sliding.