Funny things RICErs say (radically immature car enthusiasts)

[Slash]

No low end? My trike has a buttload of low end torque...

That's running a SOHC and a header and muffler with a baffle/spark arrestor on the back of it. Lets bump the displacement up to 2.3L...adds another 81hp...207 now out of a single cylinder...and its revs out at 8,500. The Hona 230 is also another good example @Bopop4

The 200X is WELL KNOWN for having a lot of low end torque.




But then you are suggesting that half of these small I4 engines have a lot of low end torque..uh, no.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The ones you mentioned. A car weighs a lot more than a bike, so a bike's high-revving, no-low-end setup would fail badly, and 0.6L NA tuned for passenger car use would get run over on the highway.

Obviously, it doesn't mean you cant get some of small displacement to do things like this if you have money to blow. I forgot you're one of those guys that is "no replacement for displacement", just to let you know an idiot in the 60s choking on a cheeseburger uttered those words.

@Slashfan (post before last) no, but it would be able to make a lot more. First you could ditch the cat and run a much shorter, simpler exhaust. Then, because a bike doesn't need any torque to get moving, you could run a ridiculous cam that puts out high levels of horsepower at 10,000 RPM at the price of doing absolutely nothing until then. Of course other parts would have to be upgraded to avoid throwing a rod or bending valves at that RPM, but the point is, the physics of a bike call for different engine tuning that makes it easy for a small engine to produce more power.

What is with you and hp? That isn't the answer to everything.

 

[Slash]

Obviously, it doesn't mean you cant get some of small displacement to do things like this if you have money to blow. I forgot you're one of those guys that is "no replacement for displacement", just to let you know an idiot in the 60s choking on a cheeseburger uttered those words.



What is with you and hp? That isn't the answer to everything.

Well there is some truth to that statement, but it's most irrelevant now. The reason why big American V8s produced so much torque was because of the head flow at low RPM's and long stroke combined with a 2-valve per cylinder setup.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Well there is some truth to that statement, but it's most irrelevant now. The reason why big American V8s produced so much torque was because of the head flow at low RPM's and long stroke combined with a 2-valve per cylinder setup.

with the advancements of technology that isn't the case though, I know you like a lot of old school stuff and have worked on that stuff a bit yourself so have I. Yet the fact remains that you don't need a high displacement engine to create torque and with diesel race cars this becomes even more relevant. Anyways, I really thinking that this thread should be named, "Crazy things W&N says"

 

[Slash]

Exactly, I can agree with you there, which is why I said it's mostly irrelevant now.

 

[JogoAsobi]

Yeah, there's that kind of thinking all over the place. It comes from both sides though.

Yes, I have seen it first-hand having resided both in the land of JDM and in U.S.

Dirty little secret is this;
JDM enthusiasm in North America hatched because they don't get the same spec. as Japan, EU for same cars.

A good example is Honda which takes back seat to Acura as the premium N.A.brand.
When I returned to the U.S. after living in Japan, and also traveling to EU...
...I walked into an Honda dealer and was amazed at the specs (extreme lack of)...
...in comparison to the same JDM and EDM versions overseas...

And some cars never even make it to the North American market.

Only other thing I have to say is this regarding superiority; what the consumer can buy...
...is usually affected by culture, industry regulations, and transportation laws...
...the real deal is found on the race-tracks, some of it makes it into the street cars...
...some doesn't. That also varies from market to market.

Its all relative.

 

[Slash]

I think because of that is partially why the bias towards American vehicles exists...but then again you have to take into consideration they are "home" brands, despite where they are manufactured.

 

[Slash]

You'd be surprised. I suspect there's a lot more potential hiding in that engine. Exhaust is probably the major bottleneck, as well as the reason it runs out of power by 5300 RPM. A single pipe setup full of crush bends, with an early-1990's catalytic converter that by law can't be replaced with a better one until it fails, can't do much good for output.

The point wasn't to see what it's potential was, since clearly we are talking about stock vehicles...


The point being a different factory I4 from GM practically outpowers your V6....but that clearly doesn't matter to you.


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Anyways, this literally just happened maybe 15 minutes ago (it's 9:30pm EST). Not really a ricer story but more of a few radically immature car enthusiasts (if you can call them that). @Bopop4 watched this all happen too lol


My ex-girlfriend is getting a brand new car for Christmas from here dad and was so excited about the gas mileage it is rated. I told her basically not to be disappointed if you don't get those figures because most of the time they rate them after testing them in extremely controlled environment, and knowing how she drives, the gas mileage is going to drop at least by 18%, according to several websites that have done research like this.

What do you know, literally everyone that's friends with her jumps down my throat, saying I don't know what the hell I'm talking about because they supposedly own this car, and it gets oh so great gas mileage. Now I will give a couple of them a bit of credit since they know how to perform basic maintenance, but other than that, not really much. What really angers me is they think they know everything because they know how to change the brakes or jiggle a battery terminal to get a car to start. This came out later one when they basically told me they could take a car apart and put it all back together, and it would run. Dude, I do this stuff everyday. I know what I'm talking about.

It got to the point I was comparing my grandfathers 2011 Ram 1500 V8 to their car. That truck is "rated" 25mpg on average, according to the brochure they gave him when he bought it. He gets 12 on average. One of them shot back with "Lol to bad u clearly don't know what ur talking about cause my dad's gf car is better on gas then thy though it would be so uhm awkward again. Boom!"

Then this:

"yah but the ram can be a hemi and hemis dont git 🤬 for mileage".


I fired back with:

"I don't know what I'm talking about? I do this stuff for a living . And hemi? LOL Dodge hasn't made a true hemi since the '70s.

Then out of nowhere, the one girl goes "ha my little brother knows more than you"



Wait, what? How does that have any relevance to anything?

At that point I basically said I was done and wasn't going to continue to argue since they didn't have a clue what the hell they were even talking about.

Then this came out.

"yah but a hemi is a hemi so there all american muscle lol"

At that point, I decided it was time to get technical since they really didn't have a clue.

"N0, a hemi is a designated name for hemispherical combustion chambers on the engine's heads. HEMI is just a brand name now they, don't make them like that anymore, and haven't for 40+ years."

Following that, I was told that this kid could build a car out of scrap because he knew what he was talking about. He didn't even know what he was talking about, so how is that even possible?

After that, the kid coming after me with that Hemi ordeal repeatedly started to tell me to shut up. Quite a few times actually. And I even asked why? Because I knew what I was talking about?

Then, what really angered me was that I apparently "need to get off my high horse and step into reality."

BITCH PLEASE. You need to know what you are talking about first. Don't talk about something you know nothing of.


All of this over a comment I made warning my ex over some gas mileage so she would at least know.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

^

 

[Slash]

@RandomCarGuy17

Seriously.


And I deal with that crap on a day-to-day basis. It's ridiculous.

Here's the linky if you want to read it in full. Make sure to start at the top. Also langauge warning

https://www.facebook.com/brittany.lynch.7374/posts/192459507612763?comment_id=333973&notif_t=like


EDIT:


Here we go again, one of my friends commented on it.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

People that call their modified car a race car.

I mean, I thought race car meant a car built for the sole purpose of racing in a certain category and nothing more. Of course, I must be wrong, because I've been seeing a recent trend of people on the internet posting memes or saying stuff like "I just put some coilovers on my new race car". It was funny at first, but now it just sounds annoying.

Although, I could be wrong and the actual ricer in all of this as I could be just taking the term "racecar" too seriously.

 

[Johnny1996]

You need to know what you are talking about first. Don't talk about something you know nothing of.

My gosh, isn't this the best advice ever? No, really. People I have to deal with nearly everyday at school joke around, or so they think, about knowing every 🤬 thing there is to know about car stuff with me, even though I clearly know more. I once got into an argument, almost some fisticuffs, with someone about what constitutes a car being called a muscle car or not.

Why almost a fistfight? The same idiot already was told off by me to not mess around with me when it comes to something that has been in my life for over half my life, the first time I clearly said, "Don't do it again." Sure enough, the near fistfight was the second time the same person started to mess around with something that I've been a part of for over half my life.

I do not like it at all when something like this happens. The first time was about Obama trying to ban NASCAR because, "its too dangerous." I'm pretty sure that if I've been a NASCAR fan since September 28, 2003, then I know all that's going on around the series.

EDIT: Also have to put up with an annoying little you-know-what that thinks its wise to tell me what you can and cannot put a Hemi into.

 

[Slash]

Yup I agree. Some of the stuff I deal with is rediculous. As you can see above.

 

[Johnny1996]

Yup I agree. Some of the stuff I deal with is rediculous. As you can see above.

With all due respect to all out there, sometimes girls just really put a damper (pun intended) on things that you spend nearly every day with, in this case, cars and the automotive world.

 

[Slash]

Oh, trust me I know

 

[R5]

With all due respect to all out there, sometimes girls just really put a damper (pun intended) on things that you spend nearly every day with, in this case, cars and the automotive world.

Too true. My mum always says "My god. It's just a car." When I'm getting giddy over the Pagani Zonda Revolution or something like that

A friend who is a girl says "Why don't you just buy a Fiat Panda?" And when I reply "Too small too slow" she shrugs and say "It's green"

Didn't know green was a colour option for it...

 

[xXKingJoshXx]

I guess I got lucky then. My mom and grandma (We all live together) are both car people. My grandma is into the older muscle cars and can identify pretty much any Ford, Chevy, or Chrysler out there and my mom is into the newer stuff like Vipers, Jaguar XKR's, and Veyrons (her three favorite cars ). My mom is not as good as my grandma in identifying cars, though. She once sent a picture of a Hyundai to me and said "Look at this Bentley I seen on my way home from work!" She's done that twice now...

 

[Gotbeefboy564]

LOL.

 

[Slash]

My grandma is into muscle cars as well having owned a 57 Chevy, mercury cougar and a 65 mustang.

 

[Sage Ages]

Someone tried to convince me that a 240SX was an RX-7.

 

[xXKingJoshXx]

My grandma is into muscle cars as well having owned a 57 Chevy, mercury cougar and a 65 mustang.

My grandma had less special but still pretty cool cars like these:

1966 Pontiac Bonneville, maroon with black vinyl top (car she learned to drive in)

1979 Plymouth Horizon TC3 (first car she bought new, had a manual and VW engine)

And a '65 Chrysler Newport like this.

Now she has an '07 F150.


I don't know why I'm talking about my grandma but it interests me talking about her old cars.

 

[Bo]

A lot of young children try to convince me that their parents own a certain car. The way it goes is:

1)"My dad's got the fastest car in the world" -

No he hasn't.

2)"What's the fastest car in the world?" -

Certified - Bugatti Veyron Supersport WR Edition.

3)"Yeah, my dad's got that one" -

Please shut up and leave me alone.


And ever since I was a 5 year old, people have been constantly asking me

"What is the ~insert extreme here~ car in the world?

To be fair, it annoys the hell out of me, and always has done. I just want everyone to stop.

 

[Slash]

A lot of young children try to convince me that their parents own a certain car. The way it goes is:

1)"My dad's got the fastest car in the world" -

No he hasn't.

2)"What's the fastest car in the world?" -

Certified - Bugatti Veyron Supersport WR Edition.

3)"Yeah, my dad's got that one" -

Please shut up and leave me alone.


And ever since I was a 5 year old, people have been constantly asking me

"What is the ~insert extreme here~ car in the world?

To be fair, it annoys the hell out of me, and always has done. I just want everyone to stop.

I know the feeling...

My grandma had less special but still pretty cool cars like these:

1966 Pontiac Bonneville, maroon with black vinyl top (car she learned to drive in)

1979 Plymouth Horizon TC3 (first car she bought new, had a manual and VW engine)

And a '65 Chrysler Newport like this.

Now she has an '07 F150.


I don't know why I'm talking about my grandma but it interests me talking about her old cars.

My grandma had a few others as well. A lot of my older relatives had quite a few and their stories are awesome. I was showing them all videos today (they came for Christmas eve, more tomorrow though we go there) and they were shocked when I told them how far aftermarket has come these days. I showed my grandpa a Torino with a really healthy cam and he was like wow that has a race cam and I was LOLNO thats a $145 street part lol.

 

[Johnny1996]

Someone tried to convince me that a 240SX was an RX-7.

Was the RX-7 an FC or FD? If it was an FC, then I can totally see that happening, but not if it was an FD.

 

[Bopop4]

Going into the Ricer thread.

"Shields up! Arm keyboard and load quote button."

You're bringing up bikes again?

Seriously?

Yes, yes I am.

Let the hate flow through you.

A bike engine can do that because it doesn't have to worry so much about fuel economy and emissions regulations - therefore it can run in a near-racing state of tune with a minimal exhaust system. And because a bike weighs very, very little, the tuning can be biased heavily towards the high end (which will be very, very high) without making the bike feel sluggish when not actively racing. Try sticking that 0.6L engine in a car and the results might not be so fast. A bike is a totally different kind of vehicle with totally different requirements.

*Clap clap*

I believe that's the first time you've posted something accurate.

(Although if you did stick a bike engine in an equal hp car, the bike motor car would be faster, less weight, and the ability to run a much higher gear ratio.)

Also not sure why you challenged a well known bike enthusiast on the forum because what you said thus far on the subject makes no rational sense and isn't correct.

What, me?

Never...

It's not like I Ninja a bike into every thread I Ruckus into.

Heck, even if I did Shadow some stuff in, you'd have to be a Nighthawk to spot it.
















Ducati 1199 Panigale S Tricolore

Because every time engine displacement comes up in a discussion, he brings up a bike engine with more specific output that just about any passenger car engine ever. This is about cars.

Ah, this isn't about specific output.

This is about how a modern middleweight sportsbike has an engine equal or higher in outright power than the 3.1 from your car.

Let that sink in, a naturally aspirated JAPANESE designed machine has more power than your tractor from less than 1/5 the displacement.

Bikes are irrelevant.

That's a weird way of spelling "All glory to bike master race."

To be perfectly honest, I hope it never does happen.

Never would have guessed.

You'd be surprised. I suspect there's a lot more potential hiding in that engine.

I reference a post you made a a while back about the sound of your car, when challenged that your vehicle sounded like a tractor, you responded with something along the lines of, "You'd be surprised." and then you posted this video, which I screencapped at the time.

This leads me to believe that I will in fact, not be surprised about the performance potential of the 3.1.

A car weighs a lot more than a bike, so a bike's high-revving, no-low-end setup would fail badly,

My 600 has decent power at 7,000, I don't know what you're getting at.

Of course you could just use a superbike or sport tourer engine, much more low end power with those.

and 0.6L NA tuned for passenger car use would get run over on the highway.

You only need a little bit of power to hold 70mph in a car, a 50hp engine would do just fine.

you could run a ridiculous cam that puts out high levels of horsepower at 10,000 RPM at the price of doing absolutely nothing until then.

I take it you've never felt a stock bike engine before, because it has a very smooth power curve with no massive holes.
Idle is low and smooth as well.

that makes it easy for a small engine to produce more power.

200hp/l out of a stock, road legal vehicle is by no means an easy task, I don't know why you'd think otherwise.

Edit for forgetting the last couple words.

 

[Slash]

@Bopop4

Oh god yes.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

@Bopop4
Just thought I'd warn him properly since he took up the gauntlet

 

[Azure Flare]

@RandomCarGuy17 Why new coilovers? Because racecar!

It's not like I Ninja a bike into every thread I Ruckus into.

Heck, even if I did Shadow some stuff in, you'd have to be a Nighthawk to spot it.

And this was your greatest Truimph.

 

[DK]

Someone tried to convince me that a 240SX was an RX-7.

By any chance, does he like "200MPH"?

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

@RandomCarGuy17 Why new coilovers? Because racecar!

I should've saw that coming.

Also, I honestly hope that we never hear about that blasted sunbird again.