Funny things RICErs say (radically immature car enthusiasts)

[ildd]

This is why I like Houston.
If you're under the age of 35, you've only seen snow once. YOSO.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Go put a set of 235s on a car and drive in the snow on the street then try a set of 318s in the same condition and tell me which one doesn't slide all over the place.

I was joking...

 

[Imari]

Remember the bad shift in the Accent? The one that caused me to spin?

I think you've mistaken me for someone who pays any attention to your daily life. Is there some reason I should be aware of your prior accident history?

The braking/stopping distance should be among your only concerns when buying tires for a car you won't be driving on the track.

That'll be why no one in their right mind buys eco tyres. That would be a terrible decision if you were like a rep or something, doing 50,000 kms a year, and wanted something that was quiet, durable, moderately priced yet provided adequate grip.

Get off your high horse and realise that it's a dangerous world, and there is an acceptable level of safety. Obviously your acceptable level of safety is higher than some others, but hey, it's a free world.

I wouldn't trade my next breath for a more fun daily driver.

Yet you drive an Impreza. Is that the safest car you could get? Or is it safe enough for you, yet still allows you to have fun at something like a track day?

 

[White & Nerdy]

I'm running 205s on my Sunbird, but they're studless snow tires year-round because I'm a cheap and poor grocery stocker. Stock tires were 195s and probably equivalent to a modern generic all-season. Lower-line models used 185s and once again probably had more-or-less all-season type grip levels.

Would you call any of those over-tired?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

There is some danger, I understand. I don't go out of my way to increase the danger, though.

Eco tires are fine, the drivers who buy tires of that type, are not the type who believe that the express way is their personal race track.

And, as a matter of a fact, the Impreza is one of the safest cars with some amount of sportiness, albeit extremely slight.

Lastly, I said "spin" not crash. There was no accident.

 

[Slash]

I was joking...

Oh

Sometimes its hard to perceive sarcasm

 

[Imari]

Eco tires are fine, the drivers who buy tires of that type, are not the type who believe that the express way is their personal race track.

So again, I point out that it's about the driver, not the car or the tyres.

 

[Bopop4]

How do you screw up a downshift so bad that you spin an Accent when you're not even near the limit.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Which is why people shouldn't fit super narrow tires in order to be able to find the limit of grip on the public roads. Even F1 drivers make mistakes.

Just a few days ago were the death anniversaries of Roland Ratzenberger and Ayrton Senna... Mistakes, and crashes happen. Don't make them any more probable.That is the point which I beg you understand. Please don't misconstrue my words or anything. I'm honestly trying to keep people safe.

@Bopop4, it was one of my first times driving the car. I wanted 4th, not 2nd.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Oh

Sometimes its hard to perceive sarcasm

I know what you mean, I don't always get sarcasm either.

 

[Bopop4]

@Bopop4, it was one of my first times driving the car. I wanted 4th, not 2nd.

Clutch and/or gas.

2nd gear on most cars will do near 60mph.
So unless you were doing well over that how did you manage to spin a fwd eco hatch.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Maybe he was going around a corner, or he panicked and dropped the clutch.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

It was just crap shift in general.

 

[R5]

"Even F1 drivers make mistakes"

I've never seen a mistake that awful though...

1->2 *into the sandtrap*

Regarding the "skinny tyres are dangerous to everyone everywhere" issue. They're not. If you drive properly, and don't slam on the throttle (why would you in daily driving?) then they're fine. I mean, yeah it's dangerous but wide tyres don't make you invincible. Same as buying an SUV doesn't. There is always, always a risk on the road but it can more easily be negated with the human factor. Driving at sane speeds with skinny tyres don't increase the risk if you know how to modulate the throttle and manage the power.

as Niki Lauda said "20% risk. That is my limit"

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

The likelihood changes, though. That is all I am saying.

 

[Slash]

If they were that dangerous then manufacturers would not have sold them that way in fear of large lawsuits do to a potentially harzardous car.

Which would be counter productive anyways since the goal is to bring in customers not drive them away.

 

[Azure Flare]

Tell that to GM.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Tire manufacturers who supply tires to consumers don't know our care if you're putting the 185 tires on a Corolla Tercel or a Lingenfelter Corvette. The OEM determines the tire size from the factory. That is the size that should be used unless the suspension is also modified.

 

[Slash]

That's not the point though.

 

[Azuremen]

Tire manufacturers who supply tires to consumers don't know our care if you're putting the 185 tires on a Corolla Tercel or a Lingenfelter Corvette. The OEM determines the tire size from the factory. That is the size that should be used unless the suspension is also modified.

You seriously have no idea what you are talking about and it is amazing how insistent you are.

Like I said, stop.

Or take the shovel and keep going, you're basically to China now.

The best part is this all started because you decided to play pedantic mini-mod on a post I made.

 

[GT Pro]

So often on used car classifieds do you see sellers boldly claim, even multiple times within the same paragraph, that their vehicles are decidedly 'head-turners'. What is the obsession with this characteristic? Low self-esteem brought about by penile dysfunction?

 

[Imari]

So often on used car classifieds do you see sellers boldly claim, even multiple times within the same paragraph, that their vehicles are decidedly 'head-turners'. What is the obsession with this characteristic? Low self-esteem brought about by penile dysfunction?

Because no one ever enjoyed owning something that other people thought was desirable without trying to compensate for having a small dick.

Most sports car design is based on being attractive. They're supposed to be nice to look at. People turn their heads so that they can keep looking at nice stuff for longer. Stop me if this is getting too complicated.

Sure, there are people out there with low self esteem who buy cars for exactly the reasons you outline. There are also people who just want an attractive car. I can't think of anything more depressing than being forced to drive around in a grey box.

 

[GT Pro]

If it is indeed an attractive car then labelling your car as a fully sick 'head turner' is redundant and just makes you look a pubescent attention-seeker, and more than likely a member of the show-and-no-go crowd, . This guy, eg, doesn't help that conviction:

MOST AMAZING HEAD TURNER YOU'LL EVER SEE !!!

If you're looking for a car that turns more heads than a Ferrari then this is it! ... One of the sleekest and sexiest cars on the road ...

Full custom body kit from USA and Japan, 20" racing rims, custom gold highlights on body and full tinted windows. With over $25k spent, you're walking away with all that value for free!

Engine is stock but the car goes like a rocket anyway.

If you're looking for a way to look like a real rock star but can't buy a $500k sports car then this is the perfect car for you!!​

 

[Crash]

While you're correct that just fitting the widest tires you can find won't necessarily make you faster, installing wider tires is generally a good way to improve handling if done correctly. I know that for my car at least, the preferred autocross tire setup would be 275/35/17 up front and 305/35/17 in the rear. Depends on your car and what you're doing with it.

Yep. Another big factor is tire compound.

What will make you (and I'm using the general "you") fastest on track is having the largest tires that your car can physically handle that also at the same time allow that particular set of tires to reach their optimal operating temperature for the longest amount of time around a track. Theoretically, tire choices should be adjusted after tuning, testing and having tire temperature data in order to properly fit the car with tires that will maximize the time with the greatest amount of grip. Yes, this means that the "optimal" tire size can change depending on the track layout, along with the given suspension settings for that particular track, even on the same car. On the other hand, given one theoretical track layout, certain cars may benefit from increasing tire size while other cars may actually benefit from decreasing tire size than as already installed.

For those of us that don't have the budget of a race team, we have to compromise and make do with a set (or two) of tires with the "most optimal" tire size that best suits our individual needs the greatest amount of time. However, "optimal" is a misnomer because if you plan to daily drive and track a car, for example, you already have to make compromises, which means some characteristics of the tire will improve, but some characteristics will get worse.

As it happens, my Impreza is prone to lift-off oversteer (because of a huge rear anti-roll-bar), so wider summer tires would be a good thing. Safe is fast. Safe is fun. Being able to trust your daily is more important than being unable to avoid drifting your car.

If you are getting lift off oversteer on public roads, then the answer is slow down and be less abrupt with your inputs, not wider tires. If you're not getting lift off oversteer on public roads, but only at controlled events, then needing bigger tires is completely irrelevant to public roads.

Tire manufacturers who supply tires to consumers don't know our care if you're putting the 185 tires on a Corolla Tercel or a Lingenfelter Corvette. The OEM determines the tire size from the factory. That is the size that should be used unless the suspension is also modified.

Wow, that is really wrong.

Can tire manufacturers stop you from putting on way different type of tire on a car? No, I'll give you that. But then vast majority of vehicle owners will never change tire size to something different than from the factory. This doesn't mean though that tire manufacturers "don't care;" they design tires with OEM applications in mind.

Which means tire manufacturers do indeed care and think about what tires goes on what type of cars as they come out of the factory. Notice how no one really makes 275 size tires for 14 inch wheels, but they do for 18 inch wheels? You don't really think that's a coincidence right? Tire manufacturers know that the new-ish sports cars that have wider tires don't run 14 inch wheels anymore, and the new-ish cars that still run 14 inch wheels are not sports cars with wide tires. Likewise, why do you think that some ultra high performance tires are only available in large sizes, or that tires for cars with 14 inch wheels don't have a 186+ mph speed rating?

It's as if companies, like, oh I don't know, thinks about target markets and does product planning, or something.

 

[Slash]

I wasn't aware you have to have 19" wheels on a car to qualify it as a sports car.


That's a bunch of horse:censored:.

 

[Crash]

No, the point is hardly any new sports cars nowadays come with 14 inch wheels from the factory. Most of them are 16, 17 or even 18 inches. On the other hand, few (for a lack of better words) cheap runabouts are equipped with 18 inch wheels, while the majority come with smaller wheels.

Were the examples a bit on the extreme end? Yes. Is reality a little grayer than that? Sure. But would the nuances have caused Andrew to miss the entire trend and point? Probably.

Hence the examples used. I expect you to have been able to see that.

 

[Slash]

Ah that clears things up a bit. 👍

 

[White & Nerdy]

Unless things have changed, I could probably still get some pretty good tires - I mean full on summer tires, speed rated from 149+ to 186 MPH, in the 205/55-16 size my car would use with aftermarket 16" rims according to Tire Rack. Not so much of an extreme example, but I think when you're talking about performance tires 205/55 is still pretty narrow and squishy. TR doesn't list any 17" wheels as being available for my car, but I've heard of it being done... of course, I'm already rubbing at full lock with 205/65-15 snow tires, so it may not be a smart idea.

The funny part is, if you look under "1993 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24" rather than "1993 Pontiac Sunbird GT", you get results in 17" and 18" even though it's the exact same car but with a more aggressive aero kit. The Sunbird has a picture, but the Cav is just a black blob on their site, so they've had the former but not the latter onsite for analysis at some point - thus the Sunbird probably has more accurate results.

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

Back to the ricer stories!!!!

A friend of mine has a diesel Seat Ibiza () in white like every other one on the road.

Anyway his is slammed to the floor and for some reason he thought it would look better by taking off BBS wheels and putting fake polished C4 Corvette wheels on. Needless to say it looks disgusting!

A while ago he was telling me his plans for it once he repaired his oil sump which he'd damaged on a hill because his car is so low. You'd think that breaking it once would be enough to make him realise it's too low. Nope. It's been broken 3 times and it's still stupidly low.

When I used to work at an alloy wheel place, he asked me for tyres that were too thin cos he wanted 'stretch' I refused to sell him the tyres saying that it's not good for you to do that for safety reasons and he'd kurb his new wheels and mainly because it looks 🤬

His reply was 'no I don't kurb my wheels, I know how to park'. So when he put his BBS wheels up for sale what was in the description? 'two wheels have some slight damage' *huge facepalm*
I also asked if he'd put tyres that properly fit this time and what did he say? He tagged his ricer friends in the conversation and nearly all of them proceeded to label me a douchebag.
He asked my opinion on Corvette wheels on his car, I said no, he put them on anyway. So after all this, I don't think I'll be seeing much of him.

 

[Slash]

Unless things have changed, I could probably still get some pretty good tires - I mean full on summer tires, speed rated from 149+ to 186 MPH, in the 205/55-16 size my car would use with aftermarket 16" rims according to Tire Rack. Not so much of an extreme example, but I think when you're talking about performance tires 205/55 is still pretty narrow and squishy. TR doesn't list any 17" wheels as being available for my car, but I've heard of it being done... of course, I'm already rubbing at full lock with 205/65-15 snow tires, so it may not be a smart idea.

The funny part is, if you look under "1993 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24" rather than "1993 Pontiac Sunbird GT", you get results in 17" and 18" even though it's the exact same car but with a more aggressive aero kit. The Sunbird has a picture, but the Cav is just a black blob on their site, so they've had the former but not the latter onsite for analysis at some point - thus the Sunbird probably has more accurate results.

This holds true for a lot of smog era '70s cars. They share many of the same under pinnings from cars from the 60s but a simple change in search will yield a lot more results, and most will be compatible.