Future Vision GT Engine ideas

[ClydeYellow]

<...>It would be awesome if I Vision GT car had a Two Stroke engine<...>

Sorry to rain on your parade, but a Vision with a 2-stroke engine would be a vision of days long gone. 2-stroke engines are going the way of the dodo.

And we need more gas turbine cars. At least PD has the sound technology for those.

 

[stuff1138]

...And we need more gas turbine cars. At least PD has the sound technology for those.

That made me think...Jay Lenno VGT...Another tank car but with the huge turbine from the M1 Abrams haha

 

[wvmgmidget]

Sorry to rain on your parade, but a Vision with a 2-stroke engine would be a vision of days long gone. 2-stroke engines are going the way of the dodo.

And we need more gas turbine cars. At least PD has the sound technology for those.

Two Strokes are generally lighter, cheaper, more efficient (heat efficiency) and more powerful (power to volume ratio is usually 1.5 times greater) . I think it would be interesting to see a modern two stroke car (maybe with something like a 3 litre V8) and two strokes aren't dead yet and I hope they don't die. I do agree a gas turbine car would be awesome though.

 

[VXR]

There's a new two stroke bike on the market, something like 500cc. Rotax?

 

[VXR]

Market demands or lack there of, viable marketable applications.

Diesel is great for tq, not so much rpms. Performance engines are much about maximizing tq and engine speed as both net more HP.

PSA Peugeot-Citroen have e-HDI engines, which are diesel hybrids, so they're out there in Europe.

Apologies for the DP, forgot I'd already replied.

 

[Rickster]

V4 or inline 8

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

PSA Peugeot-Citroen have e-HDI engines, which are diesel hybrids, so they're out there in Europe.

Apologies for the DP, forgot I'd already replied.

They sure are, and we might see more them in the future. Diesel is nothing new. Increasing how well they spin up is an ongoing thing, I don't think they are going anywhere soon. Hybrid system to enhance the performance is kool. The market is still leaning on gas though, that's why we don't see as many popping up as we see more gas engings adopting KERS maybe TERS soon.

V4 or inline 8

V4 I think might shake itself to much (not absolutely) V6 are really smooooooth, more so than V8's. Didn't they do some I8's way back in the day. That would be a relatively looooong engine.

There's a new two stroke bike on the market, something like 500cc. Rotax?

Now that sounds interesting.

Future tech

Imagine if you will, an engine with a variable compression ratio. It might be the next big thing like variable valve timing.

Continuously variable valve timing, variable compression ratio with a TERS Turbo and KERS drive line

 

[ClydeYellow]

There's a new two stroke bike on the market, something like 500cc. Rotax?

There are A LOT of 2-stroke bikes out there. 2-stroke engines are still extremely popular in the world of Trials and Freestyle Mx. However, emission regulations have pretty much removed them from the roads, at least here in Europe. There are still some motorcycle manufacturers that use them in small, mx-style bikes, but... I don't think it would be even thinkable of obtaining homologation for a new 2-stroke car.

 

[wvmgmidget]

There are A LOT of 2-stroke bikes out there. 2-stroke engines are still extremely popular in the world of Trials and Freestyle Mx. However, emission regulations have pretty much removed them from the roads, at least here in Europe. There are still some motorcycle manufacturers that use them in small, mx-style bikes, but... I don't think it would be even thinkable of obtaining homologation for a new 2-stroke car.

I think a bigger challenge would be the US. for cars our regulations are tougher. Compare the Euro model with the US model for just about any car.

 

[Situation1994]

Engine powered by water

 

[wvmgmidget]

Engine powered by water

Hydrogen fuel cell

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

Audi R8'ish (road car) with a W8 equipped with continuously variable valve timing, a variable compression ratio, twin TERS turbos, KERS drive line and active suspension. I figure tuned to 850hp, 800ft-lb.

 

[stuff1138]

Audi R8'ish with a W8 equipped with continuously variable valve timing, a variable compression ratio, twin TERS turbos, KERS drive line and active suspension. I figure tuned to 850hp, 800ft-lb.

So like an Audi R8'ish (road car not the 2001 LMP car) with LMP1 tech for the road?

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

So like an Audi R8'ish (road car not the 2001 LMP car) with LMP1 tech for the road?

Do the LMP1 R8's have W8's with continuously variable valve timing with most important to my fantacy a variable compression ratio, active suspension & also from F1 TERS turbo (twin for my car, maybe a quad set up with dual twin turbos) and KERS drive line?

 

[stuff1138]

Do the LMP1 R8's have W8's with continuously variable valve timing with most important to my fantacy a variable compression ratio, active suspension & also from F1 TERS turbo (twin for my car, maybe a quad set up with dual twin turbos) and KERS drive line?

Sorry I was referring to the current LMP1 cars not the R8. Audi made things confusing with the naming of the road car after the LMP1 car.

They don't have W8's with Variable Valve timing no. They are diesel so that doesn't really apply so I guess the comparison doesn't work. They do have active suspension, TERS and KERS though.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

Sorry I was referring to the current LMP1 cars not the R8. Audi made things confusing with the naming of the road car after the LMP1 car.

They don't have W8's with Variable Valve timing no. They are diesel so that doesn't really apply so I guess the comparison doesn't work. They do have active suspension, TERS and KERS though.

The W8 uses variable camshaft timing. The intake is infinitely variable over 52 degrees.


Most important to my fantacy is VCR combined with CVVT working with the TERS turbos, and needing KERS to take full advantage of the TERS.

But yeah, TERS, KERS, and active suspension is what I want to accompany the CVVT VCR W8. That would be one serious power unit.

 

[stuff1138]

Like the motor out of the older Passats?

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

Like the motor out of the older Passats?

No, Google "variable compression ratio" its a concept, no production engine has it. Only ones that exist are for testing. They are working on getting this into production engines, but haven't been able to so far, its extremely complicated to do.

Think of it like (in a simple way of putting it) V-Tec on the compression ratio, combined with a TERS Turbo OMG watch out.

 

[Situation1994]

Hydrogen fuel cell

exactly xD

 

[ProjectWHaT]

W36

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

W36

4 banks of 9, or 3 banks of 12? Either way, DAMN

 

[stuff1138]

@GT6OuTLaW VCR is rad. I was unaware of that technology thanks for enlightening me.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

4 banks of 9, or 3 banks of 12? Either way, DAMN

I think it needs 4 banks to be a "W", so 4 banks of 9

Either ways its gonna be big, even with puny cylinders.

 

[stuff1138]

Yeah the W16 in the Veyron is essentially two V8s slapped together

EDIT: and the W8 in the VW Passat was kind of like two "VR4's" (not that they made a VR4 but similar in design to the VR6 if you look at the diagrams)

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

@GT6OuTLaW VCR is rad. I was unaware of that technology thanks for enlightening me.

No problem, VCR is tech that not many are aware of, most likely because it hasn't made the step into production engines, when it does though it will be the new thing to have.

Now you see what I'm getting at, a W8 with all that OMGoodness

 

[stuff1138]

Nothing stopping them from adding it to the virtual world at this point though...so I like the suggestion for a VGT car having it.

 

[GT6OuTLaW]

Sorry I was referring to the current LMP1 cars not the R8. Audi made things confusing with the naming of the road car after the LMP1 car

My fault, I should of said road car as yeah, Audi got confusing with the names lol

I'd rather the W8 in the R8 road car over the V10, to keep the car pure VAG even though they own Lambo. Plus it is called R8, not R10, I figure 8 cylinders fits better with the name or I would of went W12

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

Please tell me I'm not the only one immature enough to laugh at "VAG"

I am? Ok...

 

[stuff1138]

@OriginalCheezIt nope I laugh at it every time I see it

 

[ClydeYellow]

Audi R8'ish (road car) with a W8 equipped with continuously variable valve timing, a variable compression ratio, twin TERS turbos, KERS drive line and active suspension. I figure tuned to 850hp, 800ft-lb.

A VCR, VVT engine sounds like a quite radical propulsion unit no matter the configuration. Add ERS, and it's a quite explosive package already. Besides, it could be a proper turbo-compound setup rather than using TERS to reduce turbo lag as F1 cars do nowadays.