Future Vision GT Engine ideas

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A VCR, VVT engine sounds like a quite radical propulsion unit no matter the configuration. Add ERS, and it's a quite explosive package already. Besides, it could be a proper turbo-compound setup rather than using TERS to reduce turbo lag as F1 cars do nowadays.

I was thinking, dual twin turbos, twin low rpm and twin high rpm to rid turbo lag.

F1 cars go to some insane boost pressure. Looking at the 97T (I know 80's turbo erra) it hits 4.5 bar that's like 60psi F1 turbos hit some crazy rpms
 
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On the topic of large cy count flat motors. I knew about the Ferarri Testarossa having a flat 12 but after a short wikipedia search it turns out Subaru, Porche and Mercedes have all dabbled in the flat 12s too. Subaru actually built theirs for the wildly unsuccessful Scuderia Coloni F1 team in 1990. They never actually qualified for a race at all that year though.
The "Subaru" engine was designed by Carlo Chiti whilst he was at Motori Moderni; he also designed engines for Ferrari and Alfa Romeo (including a flat-12).

Porsche more than dabbled, they won WSC and CanAm titles with flat-12s! The CanAm boosted 12s were used instead of a planned flat-16:

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They sure are, and we might see more them in the future. Diesel is nothing new. Increasing how well they spin up is an ongoing thing, I don't think they are going anywhere soon. Hybrid system to enhance the performance is kool. The market is still leaning on gas though, that's why we don't see as many popping up as we see more gas engings adopting KERS maybe TERS soon.

The problem is really the cost; a comparable petrol engine (turbo, electric-"hybrid", direct-injection) would still be cheaper to make.

V4 I think might shake itself to much (not absolutely) V6 are really smooooooth, more so than V8's. Didn't they do some I8's way back in the day. That would be a relatively looooong engine.

It depends on the crank configuration. A 90 degree V4 is actually smoother than any V6, both taken without a balance shaft (the V4 would be uneven firing, though). A V8 can be smooth or not, depending on the crank configuration and whether it has additional balancing.

Straight-8s are inherently very smooth, except for the vibrations from the crank twisting and whipping; long cranks are a bit of a headache, part of the reason inline sixes have disappeared. Performance straight 8s from the 40s and 50s took power from the centre of the crankshaft to reduce the flex.

Really, this day and age, the lengths that manufacturers go to in the name of NVH, balance is not an issue, so any configuration deserves another look.

Now that sounds interesting.

Future tech

Imagine if you will, an engine with a variable compression ratio. It might be the next big thing like variable valve timing.

Continuously variable valve timing, variable compression ratio with a TERS Turbo and KERS drive line

Two strokes are unviable only because of fuel and oil consumption / emissions. With direct injection, that might be more controllable, especially with a blower (but both of those eat into the inherent simplicity and weight advantage of 2-strokes).

Variable valve timing effects a kind of variable compression ratio already, see Atkinson cycle. The real benefits of variable (geometric) compression ratios would be in ultra-lean burn, compression ignition (as opposed to spark ignition) petrol engines, for fuel saving.

I think direct injection's success, combined with turbo-charging and downsizing, have pushed back the necessity a bit on that one for now. That said, I like the in-crank solution, if it can be proven to take the mileage and torque.
 
Variable valve timing effects a kind of variable compression ratio already, see Atkinson cycle. The real benefits of variable (geometric) compression ratios would be in ultra-lean burn, compression ignition (as opposed to spark ignition) petrol engines, for fuel saving.

I think direct injection's success, combined with turbo-charging and downsizing, have pushed back the necessity a bit on that one for now. That said, I like the in-crank solution, if it can be proven to take the mileage and torque.

Good post. The valve timing to produce an Atkinson cycle effect is cool. Obviously its small vs VCR. Direct port injection is also cool stuff, great tech. VCR Ive seen an animation of the crank solution and its brilliant. If only as you say it can be proven to work and take the extended abuse of production cars.
 
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I'd go for the good-old eight liter V10. If not, an NA Inline six or turbocharged Inline five. If not something more exotic like an MR car with a Boxer eight, a small V4 powered coupe, or some GT with a flatplane V8. Or why not a nostalgic VGT with a dual carburetor V12 like in the old days.

Yeah, that would be cool, but VGT is not focused on authentic car enthusiasm.
 
Well y'all thank you for the engine ideas and input that the remaining participating companies could possibly use for future Vision GT cars. I'm a man of my word so it looks like I got some letters to write.
 
^gee wizz!

That's a lot of cylinders

64??
56, I'd say - 8 rows of 7. The only comparatively large multi-row two-stroke (necessary for 8 cylinders per row) radials were Diesels; there were also four stroke Diesels with e.g. 56 cylinders, but they were all water-cooled anyway.

That looks like an "enlarged" Pratt & Whitney Wasp variant, i.e. having multiple extra rows stuck together somehow, going by the cylinder heads only:

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Many of the castings look different, though. What a monster, all the same.



I'd quite like to see something a little more humble, but equally intriguing; something like the engine the late Kevin Ash (may he rest in peace) had predicted Yamaha were working on, perhaps: a "cross-plane triple". The engine itself turned out to be a boring old standard 120-degree-crank-throw triple (i.e. in the MT-09), but Mr. Ash's idea was much better! :dopey:

Time to hunt for some air-cooled twins with built-up-cranks (as opposed to cast / forged cranks), to butcher...
 
Incidentally, on the subject of crazy rally engines, we have one M. Vincent Foucart:






He was also running a 2-litre BMW inline six for a while, and I think he had plans for a V8. :dopey:


Totally correct about the 3-rotary engine. Sounds exactly as Furai's concept car!
 
I'd go for the good-old eight liter V10. If not, an NA Inline six or turbocharged Inline five. If not something more exotic like an MR car with a Boxer eight, a small V4 powered coupe, or some GT with a flatplane V8. Or why not a nostalgic VGT with a dual carburetor V12 like in the old days.

Yeah, that would be cool, but VGT is not focused on authentic car enthusiasm.
The V10 you are suggesting, like an updated SRT engine?
Imagine that perfectly balanced with Twin Turbos!
 
I actually love high-pitched electric motor whining. My vacuum cleaner has variable speed and I use to boost it slowly and pretend it's a jet fighter taking off.

When I drive a Tesla in GT6, the only thing I really miss is a more clearly audible e-whine :P
 
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