Gameplay Rewind feature in Gran Turismo?

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Do you want a gameplay rewind feature in GT?


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    274
No, it's not a flawed poll, you're just not seeing what you want to see. He was asked a yes or no question.

Because if you'd have read the original question that started this, it was the exact same question this poll is asking, yes or no:



So this poll was exactly what it should've been on the original thread.


I read an interseting story a while back that demostrate how wording can drastically change what results you get so you have to be careful what you ask.

For years the wording on a drivers license test in a few regions said:

If you want to participate in the organ donor program, please check this box (obviously a box was placed after this sentance).

Participation was always in the low 20 percent wise.

One year, some regions switched the wording slightly to read:

If you want to refrain from being an organ donor, please check this box (again obviously a box goes here).

Result?

Almost 95% participants in those areas while neighboring areas that didn't change the wording remained unchaged.

The reason is that the wording made all the difference. People didn't feel bad about not being an organ donor when they were asked if they would like to do something extra by becoming one. But when faced with the feeling that they were shirking a duty or dropping out from being an organ donor, their response was very different even though the result was the same.

The poll is flawed because it asks if it should be in. This means if you feel it should be in you vote yes, however everyone else must fall in the no category, this includes those who don't care either way as they have no other vote.

Now certainly you say they can simply abstain from voting right? Well not really, because why should something be kept out of a game? It should be kept out if it will hurt or damage the majority of people. If you don't care you aren't getting hurt or damaged.

So let's say it looks like this out of 100 people:

30 people do NOT want it. It will damage the game for them.

60 people really don't care, it's not something they care particularly about and it can in no way hurt them

10 people really want it in because they will like it.

Here are two polls:

Should GT have a rewind function?

30 people vote no (because they DO NOT want it)

60 people also vote note because they do not think it should... they don't think it shouldn't either, but the question is do you think it should... if you don't care either way, then you do not think it should.

10 people vote yes, because they think it should.

Result: 90 vs 10

Now lets' ask that same poll slightly differently:

Should GT ban rewind feature?

30 people vote yes, because they do not want it.

60 people vote no because they don't care, why should GT ban it? They are not against rewind and that's what the poll asks.

10 people vote no because they want rewind and banning it means they can't have it.

Result 30 against 90 for.

You see how wording a poll gets different results?

Now let's examine the situation again: There are lots of features in GT that most of us probably never use... I mean I pretty much don't play arcade, I don't use the driving assist line and I didn't use Bspec mode.

Should they be taken out of GT?

No... why should they... they don't hurt me, they don't damage my experience... I don't use them but so what?

And their in lies the rub... the measure of whether something should be left out of a game (outside of personal preference - but rather for the good of the game and it's user base) is wehther it will substantially hurt the majority of the user base.

In this case, rewind would not hurt the majority of the userbase (and this is ignoring that the reasons listed against rewind are generally pretty vacuous and empty).

So there you see, wording can cause a poll to be flawed. The example I posted was a the exact issue I am talking about: he did not feel rewind should NOT be in GT5, but he had to vote no because there was no I don't care option and he did not actively want it in GT5.
 
The reason is that the wording made all the difference. People didn't feel bad about not being an organ donor when they were asked if they would like to do something extra by becoming one. But when faced with the feeling that they were shirking a duty or dropping out from being an organ donor, their response was very different even though the result was the same.

We are talking about people, and people are lazy, and dont read everything. So when they switched the wording if the same person that just skipped the answer before that wasnt a donor, now is.

This doesnt apply to this poll because you have to click something, thus you read all the options.
 
We are talking about people, and people are lazy, and dont read everything. So when they switched the wording if the same person that just skipped the answer before that wasnt a donor, now is.

This doesnt apply to this poll because you have to click something, thus you read all the options.

Good point, I would find that likely if the magazine I read about it in hadn't conducted a study and actually questioned people to get their reason why.
 
Good point, I would find that likely if the magazine I read about it in hadn't conducted a study and actually questioned people to get their reason why.

👍 I am sure you have some studies in psychology, people dont always know why they do stuff, but I tend to believe you (and the magazine) on this issue.
 
Dev, It seems to me you're admitting that, like in the donor example you mentioned, the pro-rewind camp did not like the answers you got from the people, so decided to change the words to put rewind in a more favorable light. Since you openly embrace that action, and as such reject this thread's poll, I guess I only need to take issue as to why you think probing for certain answers (instead of having a neutral poll) is correct.

First, as I said before, the question on this poll is the same as the one on the original thread: "Do you want rewind? Yes or no" You could not contend this, so I can't see exactly why you think this question is somehow inappropriate since it mirrors what was asked originally - it was the perfect poll question: Simple. Neutral. It's not like it was asking: "Do you want to cheat with rewind". You literally could not make a better worded question.

Oh, but you say "People who don't care are forced to vote 'No'". If I don't care who the president of my local book club is, why would I vote? Voting is for people who care; you never saw an "I don't care who the president of the US is" option in the ballot last election...did you? Thought so. You're trying to make it look as if the poll was rigged so that people who don't care would vote against rewind.

Now certainly you say they can simply abstain from voting right? Well not really, because why should something be kept out of a game? It should be kept out if it will hurt or damage the majority of people. If you don't care you aren't getting hurt or damaged.

Well if they think nothing should be kept out of the game, obviously it seems to me they care after all, don't we? And if that's their opinion, logically they can just vote....Yes, as in "It should be included as to not keep anything out".

Trying to twist the original question is only about trying to get certain answers. There's only one way this question can be asked neutrally, and it's the way it's already been asked. You can't say "Do you want rewind banned or excluded"......because logic says you can't ban something that's never been in, so that option is preposterous

Should they be taken out of GT?

No... why should they... they don't hurt me, they don't damage my experience... I don't use them but so what?

Big difference....we're talking about adding a feature, not removing it. You can't say the same about rewind because it hasn't been implemented...

So there you see, wording can cause a poll to be flawed. The example I posted was a the exact issue I am talking about: he did not feel rewind should NOT be in GT5, but he had to vote no because there was no I don't care option and he did not actively want it in GT5.

Essentially his stance was "Why not"...

Click "Yes". The more features the merrier (I'm assuming his position). Easy for me.

For the sake of inclusion the poll could've probably added a "Do not care" option; that's fine. But it wouldn't have made a significant difference, as you probably know now but wish not to see, that a lot of people have voiced their opinion against it, and the great majority are split between "HELL NO!!!" and "Don't care for it (even if not opposed)". Rewind support is a slim 3rd, so you still gain nothing; the current poll only makes it more apparent than your 30 gazillion choices poll (at which "HELL NO!!!" still leads).
 
Answer: See other poll. See drastically different results from different wording. Just like rewind, go ahead and keep arguign the wording makes no difference instead of looking at the proof that it does.

That is all.
 
Answer: See other poll. See drastically different results from different wording. Just like rewind, go ahead and keep arguign the wording makes no difference instead of looking at the proof that it does.

That is all.

Did you not understand my post, or just decided to ignore it?

Hint: One of the polls is fishing for certain answers instead of being neutral....
 
You've already had it explained to you countless times why a Yes/No poll isn't sufficient when there are actually 3 real answers to the question, so I'm not going to bother.
 
You've already had it explained to you countless times why a Yes/No poll isn't sufficient when there are actually 3 real answers to the question, so I'm not going to bother.


I dont agree with you. simple as that. this poll is done now, you can stop whining and move on.
 
Poll why are there so many trolls, running around the 3 rewind threads?

1: Haven't got a clue
2: Haven't got a clue
3: Haven't got a clue

Vote 1-2 or 3
 
People just don't want rewind , and that's a pure FACT!!! 3 threads, 2 votes, and still the answer is simply NO.
 
Toro why do you make me do this.....

The options are sufficient, if you dont care, you shouldnt vote.

If you do vote and dont care, thats not me swaying votes, thats you making a decision.

We can look at the number of people that vote in each poll to help clarify the results of each poll.

You cant rewind my poll, its done, I know you dont like the results or you wouldnt be whining about them. Just ignore the poll if you think its worthless.

Like the arguement for the rewind feature goes, if you dont like it, you can ignore it. I suggest you take your own advice.
 
Toro why do you make me do this.....

The options are sufficient, if you dont care, you shouldnt vote.


Again, read the question:

Do you want rewind in GT?

If you don't care, do you want it? No you don't. That makes you a no.

That's why this poll is skewed. Becase when taking the numbers at the end, no appears to mean no I don't want it, not either I don't want it or I just don't care.
 
Again, read the question:

Do you want rewind in GT?

If you don't care, do you want it? No you don't. That makes you a no.

That's why this poll is skewed. Becase when taking the numbers at the end, no appears to mean no I don't want it, not either I don't want it or I just don't care.

Stop making it complicated. It's YES or NO, and the people that don't really care don't vote because, well, they don't care about it. It clearly shows that an overwhelming % do NOT want rewind. Case closed.
 
Stop making it complicated. It's YES or NO, and the people that don't really care don't vote because, well, they don't care about it. It clearly shows that an overwhelming % do NOT want rewind. Case closed.

OK let's pretend for a second you don't care (we know you do but pretend).

Now answer this question:

Do you want rewind in GT? Yes or no.

Here's a hint... one of those answers actually does literally represent your stance.
 
Stop making it complicated. It's YES or NO, and the people that don't really care don't vote because, well, they don't care about it. It clearly shows that an overwhelming % do NOT want rewind. Case closed.
You can keep saying this and you will be objectively wrong every time. Even ignoring the poor wording of the question itself, if in actuality more people don't care than those who don't want rewind, than those that do not want rewind are no longer the majority.
 
OK let's pretend for a second you don't care (we know you do but pretend).

Now answer this question:

Do you want rewind in GT? Yes or no.

Here's a hint... one of those answers actually does literally represent your stance.

If I don't care, I DONT VOTE, simple as that. Nobody is forcing you to vote.
 
Again, read the question:

Do you want rewind in GT?

If you don't care, do you want it? No you don't. That makes you a no.

That's why this poll is skewed. Becase when taking the numbers at the end, no appears to mean no I don't want it, not either I don't want it or I just don't care.

Again that isnt fact because nobody was forced to vote. They may not care, but when it comes down to it, they ultimately would rather it not be in the game and that was their own choice. If they didnt care, why didnt they just say yes then? You can take the results and let them soak in however you want to.

like I have been saying, the numbers speak for themselves.

I have respect for Codename because he actually did something instead of just whining. You had your chance dev, and it seems you would rather complain about the problem instead of doing something to try and fix it.
 
Nobody is forcing anyone to vote for either of the choices, so that doesn't mean anything. Besides, you can not care and still want to take part in the discussion itself.

Also:
They may not care, but when it comes down to it, they ultimately would rather it not be in the game.
Ignoring everything else said in this thread and going back to square one, this poll doesn't conclusively support such a statement.
 
If I don't care, I DONT VOTE, simple as that. Nobody is forcing you to vote.

Umm... if you read thorugh this thread, there are people who specifically say "I don't care but voted no".

Maybe YOU wouldn't vote... but some people did... and the point is, when given only a yes or no choice, often people will feel they have to choose one of the two.

I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be basiclaly some classic textbook case study on how to skew results with wording.
 
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