Gen 5 Dodge Viper

[Exorcet]

If it is lighter it will be even better.
If the code is changed it will be changed at the high RPM where torque is non existent.

The car makes max power in the redline, it's not lacking at the high end at all.

Yeah, but on a car such as the Viper that has so much hp already; it'll be hardly noticeable. The only way it will is if the Viper got a weight loss.

It's probably a care where the engineers found the power for not much effort, so why not get it? It might not be noticeable, but it will still have an effect.

 

[psntomaz]

did it mention any changes to its torque?

 

[Grayfox]

did it mention any changes to its torque?

No, still at 600ft.lb.

 

[RocZX]

Dodge is offering a $15K discount on unsold Vipers.

Most buyers it seems are not biting, so now Dodge is offering a $15,000 discount to get Vipers off the lots and on the streets.

From Automotive News:

The brand will cut $15,000 from the sticker price of the more than 600 unsold Vipers on dealer lots. It also will offer $15,000 coupons to recent Viper buyers to trade in their 2013 or 2014 Viper on another one or to buy an additional Viper, and it will open Viper sales to all Dodge dealers

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Jalopnik

 

[psntomaz]

Not to mention a new base price of $84k for 2015

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Just how desperate can they get?

 

[psntomaz]

Was it a Desperate move for them to have the 6.4L Available in a Non SRT Challenger and price it at $38,495?

 

[Beeblebrox237]

This isn't the Challenger thread, I don't see how that car relates. The fact is that Dodge is clearly desparate to move Vipers. They're selling a 640 bhp exotic car for $85,000. And yet nobody's buying it. Frankly, I'm not surprised. Even at that price, the build quality is not good enough. Furthermore, it's not brutish enough to properly wear the Viper nameplate anymore. Generally speaking, people who can buy a car at that price are older, since they've had time to earn the money. And as you age, your tastes become more mature, subtle, and comfortable. When you're older, you want something relatively comfortable, but when you're 20 you don't care. A small portion of mad car nuts like the Viper and can afford it. And if I wanted a Viper, I'd rather have an older one with more brutality and more honesty.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

They should put a V8 in the viper and sell it for 50k.

 

[McLaren]

This isn't the Challenger thread, I don't see how that car relates. The fact is that Dodge is clearly desparate to move Vipers. They're selling a 640 bhp exotic car for $85,000. And yet nobody's buying it. Frankly, I'm not surprised. Even at that price, the build quality is not good enough. Furthermore, it's not brutish enough to properly wear the Viper nameplate anymore. Generally speaking, people who can buy a car at that price are older, since they've had time to earn the money. And as you age, your tastes become more mature, subtle, and comfortable. When you're older, you want something relatively comfortable, but when you're 20 you don't care. A small portion of mad car nuts like the Viper and can afford it. And if I wanted a Viper, I'd rather have an older one with more brutality and more honesty.

No, they were selling them for over $100,000. Let's wait & see if the sales pick up before claiming nobody's buying it for $85,000 since that pricing was just released.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

They should put a V8 in the viper and sell it for 50k.

Seriously, that would be awesome. I've never really liked the V10 they put in there.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I actually wonder if Chrysler has considered attempting to make a "baby viper" again like the Copperhead Concept:

I would love to see that with a V8 personally. It could be a competitor for the base Vettes, but of course look a bit better than the Copperhead here.

 

[Blackbird.]

Seriously, that would be awesome. I've never really liked the V10 they put in there.

I have to admit that's one of the only things that doesn't make this car "perfect" in my eyes. The sound just doesn't go with the look of the car. I'd rather go with a 2nd Gen. On Saturday I was at a car show at a local CJDR dealer because my dad owns a Challenger, it was pretty much anything Mopar, Challengers, Vipers. All of the second gen vipers sounded pretty awesome at idle and low rpms but high up it's always the same thing. The 4th gens are so tame and quiet, but they are very quick.

 

[RACECAR]

I actually wonder if Chrysler has considered attempting to make a "baby viper" again like the Copperhead Concept:

I would love to see that with a V8 personally. It could be a competitor for the base Vettes, but of course look a bit better than the Copperhead here.

Would it really sell though? Is there an actual demand for a baby Viper? There didn't seem to before so I'm not sure if there is now.

 

[catamount39]

I think they just need to have a lower price base model. A bare bones Corvette costs around $50,000, with everything about $62,000 I think. Meanwhile the base Viper is about like $75,000 (?). I mean, how is a base Viper roughly $15,000 better? They're roughly comparable cars...the Viper just needs a lower base price. If the price was lower, its a decent car, it would sell better.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Would it really sell though? Is there an actual demand for a baby Viper? There didn't seem to before so I'm not sure if there is now.

I don't know if there's a market for one or not, but I think Chrysler could get it to sell if they didn't overprice it and the car was designed and built properly.

 

[Blkout]

This isn't the Challenger thread, I don't see how that car relates. The fact is that Dodge is clearly desparate to move Vipers. They're selling a 640 bhp exotic car for $85,000. And yet nobody's buying it. Frankly, I'm not surprised. Even at that price, the build quality is not good enough. Furthermore, it's not brutish enough to properly wear the Viper nameplate anymore. Generally speaking, people who can buy a car at that price are older, since they've had time to earn the money. And as you age, your tastes become more mature, subtle, and comfortable. When you're older, you want something relatively comfortable, but when you're 20 you don't care. A small portion of mad car nuts like the Viper and can afford it. And if I wanted a Viper, I'd rather have an older one with more brutality and more honesty.

The problem with the Viper is that its stale. Its had the same basic look since 1992. That's a ridiculously long time for any car to basically have the same look.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

The problem with the Viper is that its stale. Its had the same basic look since 1992. That's a ridiculously long time for any car to basically have the same look.

I don't think that's it at all. If that was the reason, then how come Porsche sell so many 911s? Or VW sell so many Beetles? Or Chevrolet sell so many Corvettes? Often, when a car maintains the same basic appearance and feel, it helps keep old customers, and allows the car to ride on the successes of the past as well as its current ability. Using that logic, the Viper should be doing very well.

I have to admit that's one of the only things that doesn't make this car "perfect" in my eyes. The sound just doesn't go with the look of the car. I'd rather go with a 2nd Gen. On Saturday I was at a car show at a local CJDR dealer because my dad owns a Challenger, it was pretty much anything Mopar, Challengers, Vipers. All of the second gen vipers sounded pretty awesome at idle and low rpms but high up it's always the same thing. The 4th gens are so tame and quiet, but they are very quick.

I think the problem is that the new ones are just too tame. Sure, they're still one of the least refined cars out there, but by Viper standards they're incredibly cushy. And that's not a quality that a Dodge Viper should be touting.

 

[Legro]

I don't think that's it at all. If that was the reason, then how come Porsche sell so many 911s? Or VW sell so many Beetles? Or Chevrolet sell so many Corvettes? Often, when a car maintains the same basic appearance and feel, it helps keep old customers, and allows the car to ride on the successes of the past as well as its current ability. Using that logic, the Viper should be doing very well.

Aston Martins, MINI, Land Rover, VW Golf... the list keeps going. It's true that sometimes carmaker needs complete refresh, but it isn't always necessary.

 

[Blkout]

I don't think that's it at all. If that was the reason, then how come Porsche sell so many 911s? Or VW sell so many Beetles? Or Chevrolet sell so many Corvettes? Often, when a car maintains the same basic appearance and feel, it helps keep old customers, and allows the car to ride on the successes of the past as well as its current ability. Using that logic, the Viper should be doing very well.



I think the problem is that the new ones are just too tame. Sure, they're still one of the least refined cars out there, but by Viper standards they're incredibly cushy. And that's not a quality that a Dodge Viper should be touting.

The Corvette has changed many times over the years. Porsche 911 is a classic. The Viper isn't tame at all, its just long in the tooth, pun intended.

 

[Blkout]

Aston Martins, MINI, Land Rover, VW Golf... the list keeps going. It's true that sometimes carmaker needs complete refresh, but it isn't always necessary.

In this case it most certainly is and sales are direct reflection of this.

 

[RACECAR]

In this case it most certainly is and sales are direct reflection of this.

Pretty sure the price is the bigger issue here, not the looks. Besides, it looking "the Same" was not what people were saying when it was first revealed. If anything, many people liked how the first Vipers looked.

 

[Blkout]

Pretty sure the price is the bigger issue here, not the looks. Besides, it looking "the Same" was not what people were saying when it was first revealed. If anything, many people liked how the first Vipers looked.

Sure they did 20 years ago. Price wasn't an issue until the last 1-2 years when they weren't selling well so they were finally discounted.

 

[RACECAR]

Sure they did 20 years ago. Price wasn't an issue until the last 1-2 years when they weren't selling well so they were finally discounted.

Except I wasn't talking about 20 years ago, I was talking about the current car when it was first revealed. Many people didn't like how it looked.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

The Corvette has changed many times over the years. Porsche 911 is a classic. The Viper isn't tame at all, its just long in the tooth, pun intended.

Yes, but the difference between the C4 and C7 is no more than the difference between the Vipers in the same era. The Viper could be considered a classic, too. And yes current one is a monster, but by Viper standards it's incredibly tame.

In this case it most certainly is and sales are direct reflection of this.

That's your opinion, but it's certainly not fact like you seem to believe. People generally love the Viper, because of it's ferocity and performance it has an almost mystical quality to it. It's one of the few American cars that can truly compete with proper exotics on wow factor alone. As people have said, the price is more of an issue than the car being too "stale." The Viper cannot compete with cars like the Porsche Boxster, 911, and Jaguar F-Type when it comes to comfort and civility. And it really shouldn't be trying. However, it costs about the same as an F-Type or 911, and most people in the market for a $100,000 car want a complete package, not a track day special. It may have a roof and a radio, but it's little more than that. And if you want a car like that, with few creature comforts and amazing performance, a used Lotus Exige will cost you a third of what a new Viper would run.

 

[RocZX]

Viper post best sales month after price drop!

as sales have almost tripled in September compared to August.

Chrysler Group dealerships across the United States sold 108 Vipers in September 2014, compared to just 38 units in August, 48 units in July and 36 units in June. Furthermore, September’s total marks the best sales month for the latest generation Viper since deliveries began in April 2013.

The previous record sales months for the Viper were June 2013 and April 2014, each with 97 units sold. Obviously, the price cut is the main reason for the increase in Viper sales, but good news is all 108 Vipers sold in September are 2014 models, as the updated 2015 Viper hasn’t gone on sale yet.

The 2015 Dodge Viper should attract even more customers,

CarScoops

 

[20832]

And SRT Racing is officially dead

http://www.roadandtrack.com/racing/racing-news/dodge-srt-viper-gtsr-program-is-finished

 

[Badasp5.0]

Viper post best sales month after price drop!


CarScoops

The price drop wasn't such a bad move after all. Good job Dodge.

 

[RACECAR]

Now if only they didn't decide it was a great idea to suddenly shut down the racing program...

 

[Chikane_GTR]

And the SRT Racing is officially dead

http://www.roadandtrack.com/racing/racing-news/dodge-srt-viper-gtsr-program-is-finished

Sorry Guys just speechless right now