Gen 5 Dodge Viper

[Snakebitten]

Having met two members of the Viper Build Team makes I can tell you that's not exactly true. They were like any other blue collar employee that screws things together, not magic men who were the gurus of all things automotive.

So you met two members of a "TEAM" so you concluded they reflect the knowledge of the entire team? I give up

 

[Joey D]

You missed the whole point about the Vipers very existence. Its not a car that conforms. It was designed to be raw in your face with everything. It is uncivilized by nature. What you want is a Porsche, Merc etc and there are tons of cars for those that want civilized driving.

The whole point of building a car is to sell it for a profit. To do that they need to be competitive with the market's trend. Dodge could probably sell more vehicles if they refined the vehicle a bit. I'm not saying make it like the interior of a Ferrari, but they could make it feel like an $80,000 car.

So you met two members of a "TEAM" so you concluded they reflect the knowledge of the entire team? I give up

All I was doing was pointing out that there are average, shade tree mechanic, blue collar worker that help with the development process. It's no different then any other American car that's built. I'm not knocking the team in anyway, nor am I saying they are all like that.

 

[Zenith]

You missed the whole point about the Vipers very existence. Its not a car that conforms. It was designed to be raw in your face with everything. It is uncivilized by nature. What you want is a Porsche, Merc etc and there are tons of cars for those that want civilized driving.

Says you... I'm sure Fiat and Dodge have some more realistic ideas. These aren't Barbie dolls for men. You don't assign them personalities. They're consumer items. That means somebody needs to spend $80,000 on one of these and probably wants something slightly modern for their money.

Besides. If your definition of a car that is "raw" is one with a huge engine, then you probably need to drive more. The "rawness" you feel from behind the wheel will come from its handling and its power delivery, displacement numbers be damned.

LFA, GTR embodies Japanese tradition and approach to building cars.

Ferrari, Lambo, Maserati etc embody Italian tradition and approach to building cars.

BMW, Merc yada yada yada etc you get the point.

The Viper, Corvette, Ford GT etc embody American tradition and approach to building cars.

Who are you to define this? Italian Zonda's are using 6.0L. German Mercedes is using a 6.2L. Just because you think you've identified a trend doesn't mean that you've defined the _____ country's tradition and approach to building cars. All car manufacturers must get with the times. Why make an engine bigger if you can get the exact same results with a slightly less massive version that will allow it to compete seriously with other sports cars.

Id hate a world where every car was small displacement with high specific output and sounded like bees in a can. I love the high pitch wail of a high reving V10 like the LFA, M5 or the Ferrari/Lambo V8-V12's. I also love the sound of a guttural V8 a la Corvette, AMG cars, Mustang. I love the variety and appreciate each approach as they are all extremely capable at what they do.

Because obviously the Viper will only be capable making a sound like bees in a can with anything smaller than an 8.7L V10

Funny you should cite the Mustang as a car with a "guttural V8"... They have 5.0L engines... My car has a 4.7L and I haven't heard anyone mistaking its sound for that of a Honda...

Variety in engineering tends to dwindle as the most effective means to accomplish an objective are found. There's a reason why we don't see six wheeled cars anymore.

How come the Veyron doesnt get this kind of disecting lol. Its 8 ltrs in an even bigger engine than the Viper and it needlessly uses 4 turbos with 8ltrs to put out ONLY 1000hp? Oh wait its European and its mega money etc lol.

You've never read up on engine building, have you lol?

-Because it uses 8L to make 1200hp with a warranty from Volkswagen.
-Because it "needlessly" uses those four extra turbos and eight liters to go over 260mph with a warranty from Volkswagen
-Because it can launch 2 tons from a standstill to 60mph in 2.5 seconds. With. A. Warranty. From. Volkswagen.

(Thanks Never-One and McLaren for picking up my Veyron-related incompetence)

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

They Veyron is does not have 16.4 liters of displacement. What it does have is 16 cylinders and 4 turbos.

 

[McLaren]

You've never read up on engine building, have you lol?

-Because it uses 16L (Thanks Never-One) to make 1200hp with a warranty from Volkswagen.
-Because it "needlessly" uses those four extra turbos and eight liters to go over 260mph with a warranty from Volkswagen
-Because it can launch from a standstill to 60mph in 2.5 seconds. With. A. Warranty. From. Volkswagen.

It's technically an 8.0L W16, but I'm guessing that's a typo.

But I think he also forgets the fact that it requires those 4 turbos to propel a 4,200lb. "tank" to 260mph as well.

 

[White & Nerdy]

So what's wrong with smaller engines (not in the Viper)? Care to explain?

That's not what I said. I was talking about people specifically wanting smaller engines. Especially in a Viper. Because displacement downsizing is diametrically opposed to the Viper philosophy. It's a troll car. It doesn't appeal to the tech snobs who brag about their Ferrari's 9000RPM redline and F1 differential, or to the people who scream and wave their arms around and say everything is hurting the environment. It's here to upset those very people.

 

[Snakebitten]

The whole point of building a car is to sell it for a profit. To do that they need to be competitive with the market's trend. Dodge could probably sell more vehicles if they refined the vehicle a bit. I'm not saying make it like the interior of a Ferrari, but they could make it feel like an $80,000 car.



All I was doing was pointing out that there are average, shade tree mechanic, blue collar worker that help with the development process. It's no different then any other American car that's built. I'm not knocking the team in anyway, nor am I saying they are all like that.

JoeD I was referencing the original purpose for the Viper when it was confirmed. It was a Halo car for Chrysler hence it was not totally about profitability. This is known history. Example of another halo car is also the NSX. It lost Honda money for years but they kept building it because it brought attention to the brand so it's value transcended profitablity for a period of time.

I get what you are trying to say but that is the case with all mfg's not just American cars as you seem bent on pointing out. The majority of people that put together any car are blue collar.

 

[Snakebitten]

Zenith I'll address your argument when I can get to a computer. I hate doing long post on my iPhone.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

That's not what I said. I was talking about people specifically wanting smaller engines. Especially in a Viper. Because displacement downsizing is diametrically opposed to the Viper philosophy. It's a troll car. It doesn't appeal to the tech snobs who brag about their Ferrari's 9000RPM redline and F1 differential, or to the people who scream and wave their arms around and say everything is hurting the environment. It's here to upset those very people.

If they really would want to make it a troll car, they should make it with turbodiesel motor. Nothing upsets tree huggers more than big black cloud of powersmoke.

Oh, and it keeps people from tailgating you too.

 

[psntomaz]

Actually the Viper was Profitable......

 

[Snakebitten]

Says you... I'm sure Fiat and Dodge have some more realistic ideas. These aren't Barbie dolls for men. You don't assign them personalities. They're consumer items. That means somebody needs to spend $80,000 on one of these and probably wants something slightly modern for their money.

First off I was discussing what the Viper's original mission was. It was a low volume Halo car plain and simple. Its design direction was a modern day Cobra Daytona. It was never produced with the masses in mind. That is where guys like you are way off base in your assumptions and outlook about the Viper. It was concieved to be exactly what it is. A halo car that brought attention to the brand and a niche car that catered to the few that wanted a bare bones throwback car. No one made cars like that anymore and there are quite a few folks that this kind of car appealed to.

Now that Halo effect has played its course and the new owners Fiat have gotten involved the car WILL be modernized to the chagrin of many of the current owners who want it to stay the way it was originally intended to be. Raw and uncivilized. The part that gets me about most that hate the car is the assumption that thats the best they could have made the car. It was intended to be that way. It only had a 50 million dollar budget to begin with and was always to be a very low volume car. It was NEVER intended to be a car for everyone.

Besides. If your definition of a car that is "raw" is one with a huge engine, then you probably need to drive more. The "rawness" you feel from behind the wheel will come from its handling and its power delivery, displacement numbers be damned.

The definition I gave you was from what the Viper team stated. Dont like there definition and design direction take it up with them and dont buy a Viper.

Who are you to define this? Italian Zonda's are using 6.0L. German Mercedes is using a 6.2L. Just because you think you've identified a trend doesn't mean that you've defined the _____ country's tradition and approach to building cars. All car manufacturers must get with the times. Why make an engine bigger if you can get the exact same results with a slightly less massive version that will allow it to compete seriously with other sports cars.

Simmer down and dont get so emotional. I didnt define anything. I simply stated what most people think of when they think of cars from those specific countries just to show that each make cars a certain way NOT that they cant make tham any other way.

You certainly like to argue strawman style. I already mentioned guttural Merc V8's and yet here you are trying to use it poorly to argue a point I already made. BTW the Zonda's motor is a Mercedes unit "You ask me who am I to define this?" Yet here you are questioning much smarter engineers than yourself as to why they chose to use a huge V10 for their sports car. The irony kills me.

You truly missed the point of the Vipers designers because of your lack of understanding and huge bias clouding your vision. The chose the big V10 because they had a measly 50 mill to fully develop the Viper. That was the best motor they had at the time for the modern day Cobra Daytona vision they had. Its been refined and lightened a lot since then. Bottom line does the car get the job done against your hightech hero cars? Dont worry its a rhetorical question. The whole world knows that answer.

Because obviously the Viper will only be capable making a sound like bees in a can with anything smaller than an 8.7L V10

Mr. Strawman I was refering to highs strung, high hp/ltr engines like the Vtecs. Great little motors but the auto world would be boring to me if the only exhaust sounds we heard were high pitched wails. I simply meant most of us love the diversity and can appreciate the different nuances of each mfgs approach to engine building as long as it delivers.

Funny you should cite the Mustang as a car with a "guttural V8"... They have 5.0L engines... My car has a 4.7L and I haven't heard anyone mistaking its sound for that of a Honda...

Another strawman.

Variety in engineering tends to dwindle as the most effective means to accomplish an objective are found. There's a reason why we don't see six wheeled cars anymore.

Irrelevant argument. Gas engines are still just air pumps whether they are 4-6-8-10-12-16 cylinders. Thats a lot of variety. Then you add in those cylinders with OHV, OHC, VVEL, VTec, Mivec etc and you have numerous possibilities available to any mfg around the world. They pick what best suits the overall package they are trying to bring to market.

What about the Vipers V10 that renders it ineffective? Stop spewing the same tired rehashed drivel and actually give us a good reason why the Viper's engine is worthless. Enlighten us please without the hp/ltr strawman argument

You've never read up on engine building, have you lol?

-Because it uses 8L to make 1200hp with a warranty from Volkswagen.
-Because it "needlessly" uses those four extra turbos and eight liters to go over 260mph with a warranty from Volkswagen
-Because it can launch 2 tons from a standstill to 60mph in 2.5 seconds.

You have proven my point by making this argument as I know you would . Bugatti CHOSE to go in this direction lol so they did. They could have made the Veyron lighter and use a smaller displacement motor, used RWD, etc but that is not the direction the engineers wanted to go. Similar with any mfg that uses large or small displacement motors etc.

Similar with the Viper concept. Nothing about the car was to be conventional. It was the anti establishment car. Back to basics, throwback car and thats the direction they went and it sold quite well especially the gen 1 & 2's to that niche market.

(Thanks Never-One and McLaren for picking up my Veyron-related incompetence)

It is funny that you lecture me on me supposedly not reading up on engine building but you completely didnt get the Bugatti 16.4 nomenclature LOL.

Anyway Im going to leave this discussion to wane. As with all the other forums that this car gets bashed on it boils down to an emotional argument by the haters. Facts get ignored and strawman arguments ensue and no consensus is ever reached. At least it hasnt degraded into an overly childish name calling thread.👍

 

[McLaren]

Your argument about the Veyron sucks, plain & simple. They could not have done all of that because it would not have worked. Ferdinand Piech approached the firm & told them the following:

It must have 1,001Hp.
It must be capable of extreme acceleration (250Mph+ 0-60 under 3.5 seconds, etc).
It must be luxurious.
It must come with a warranty.
It must be very easy to drive.
And it must retain decent handling.

So, with those parameters, I want you to come up with something that's lighter, RWD, & a smaller engine that meets all those parameters. Hell, while you're at, let's see if you could come up with an even cheaper way of cost-to-build (since Bugatti lost money on every car built). My bet is that you can't do it b/c it would have already been done.

 

[Snakebitten]

Your argument about the Veyron sucks, plain & simple. They could not have done all of that because it would not have worked. Ferdinand Piech approached the firm & told them the following:

It must have 1,001Hp.
It must be capable of extreme acceleration (250Mph+ 0-60 under 3.5 seconds, etc).
It must be luxurious.
It must come with a warranty.
It must be very easy to drive.
And it must retain decent handling.

So, with those parameters, I want you to come up with something that's lighter, RWD, & a smaller engine that meets all those parameters. Hell, while you're at, let's see if you could come up with an even cheaper way of cost-to-build (since Bugatti lost money on every car built). My bet is that you can't do it b/c it would have already been done.

My argument went way over your head. You just stated exactly what Im was getting at. They had a mission and they went about it the way their engineers found to be the best way period. To argue that they dont know what they are doing is simply foolish. I simply used the Veyron as a vehicle to bring across my point as I knew from past arguments how people respond to it with blind fury.

You can plainly see they had a mission with the Veyron but a lot of you just cant comprehend that Dodge/Chrysler mission for the Viper was exactly what you see in the showroom floor. A raw, back to basics over the top sportscar. Read up on its history before you make argument against there incompetence. Many mfg can make a car like the Veyron. BMW, Merc, RR come to mind. But they all know what Bugatti knew going into it that it would not be a money maker. Its a statement car almost like a halo car.

 

[McLaren]

The issue with your argument is that you're comparing a Veyron to a Viper. The engineers goals behind both cars were not the same in terms of getting to those goals. I did not say the Viper's engineers did not know what they were doing either, so keep those words to yourself.

The Veyron ran into numerous road blocks through its development. The Viper did not, at least not to the degree where much of the Veyron's engineering was a first in the industry.
The goals for the Viper was a modern day Cobra at the time. And though the engineers achieved that, there were still other ways for that car to achieve those goals; TVR had been doing it for years. Nobody has been able to achieve the Veyron's goals yet through other means & likely never will for another decade.

 

[Snakebitten]

The issue with your argument is that you're comparing a Veyron to a Viper. The engineers goals behind both cars were not the same in terms of getting to those goals. I did not say the Viper's engineers did not know what they were doing either, so keep those words to yourself.

The Veyron ran into numerous road blocks through its development. The Viper did not, at least not to the degree where much of the Veyron's engineering was a first in the industry.
The goals for the Viper was a modern day Cobra at the time. And though the engineers achieved that, there were still other ways for that car to achieve those goals; TVR had been doing it for years. Nobody has been able to achieve the Veyron's goals yet through other means & likely never will for another decade.

There is no problem in my comparing the MISSION of both companies. That is all I'm comparing and that was where I was trying to steer the conversation by bringing in the Veyron as both companies went about making a vehicle that broke with conventional thinking. That is where my argument begins and ends between these two cars and there engineers. Just to show that no matter if its an economy car or a sports car or a a car that defies convention it had a team of engineers that had a mission statement and a solid engineering team for it to even be green lighted by the bean counters.

My responses still had some other posters arguments in mind and it crept over into my response to you. Some seemingly question the intelligence of the Viper engineers in using a V10 hence some of my arguments. They could have used a hemi, or done like Chevy with the ZR1 but to me and quite a bit of other folks there is something special about a production car with 600hp and 560lb tq N/A. That tq figure would be hard to get on a smaller "production" motor without FI. Its a highly reliable unstressed motor that gets the job done. I just don't see why its such a horrible choice as it certainly isn't the worst super car gas mileage wise while being one of the fastest around any track. If the car sucked at performance and looks then I would be the first in line saying the engineers are morons.

Similar to Porsche and the engine in the back. Lots of people, including engineers, used to mock Porsche and some still do. But they keep kicking but with an unconventional architecture. Same with Corvette and leaf springs. Its beating Ferraris, Porsches etc with leaf springs so why is it "logically" looked down on? The GTR is another car lots of people look down on and laugh at its weight. Yet it kick butt. Results count. If it were all about being like everyone else and jumping on the latest tech etc then the the "yestertech" shouldnt be able to beat the crap out of the latest and greatest. This was just general post not totally directed at you.

 

[Zenith]

Okay, long post. *sits down and cracks knuckles*

First off I was discussing what the Viper's original mission was. It was a low volume Halo car plain and simple. Its design direction was a modern day Cobra Daytona. It was never produced with the masses in mind. That is where guys like you are way off base in your assumptions and outlook about the Viper. It was concieved to be exactly what it is. A halo car that brought attention to the brand and a niche car that catered to the few that wanted a bare bones throwback car. No one made cars like that anymore and there are quite a few folks that this kind of car appealed to.

Now that Halo effect has played its course and the new owners Fiat have gotten involved the car WILL be modernized to the chagrin of many of the current owners who want it to stay the way it was originally intended to be. Raw and uncivilized. The part that gets me about most that hate the car is the assumption that thats the best they could have made the car. It was intended to be that way. It only had a 50 million dollar budget to begin with and was always to be a very low volume car. It was NEVER intended to be a car for everyone.

I am aware of the (hardly relevant) origins of the Viper in the 1990's.

I didn't say everyone should be able to buy it. I said someone has to buy it. H

Did someone say strawman? Or did you just not read properly?

Also, I'm thinking that it might be less to the chagrin of the current owners, and more to the dismay of its fans who don't want to see their beloved Viper changed.

The definition I gave you was from what the Viper team stated. Dont like there definition and design direction take it up with them and dont buy a Viper.

Show me where the Viper Team said that a raw car=large displacement.

Simmer down and dont get so emotional. I didnt define anything.

Your attempt to adapt the "Professional Troll" tone would be more successful if you said "lol" less and spelled words properly.

I simply stated what most people think of when they think of cars from those specific countries just to show that each make cars a certain way NOT that they cant make tham any other way.

You didn't. Read your words. ____ tradition and approach to building cars. You didn't say stereotype or anything of the sort, you said approach.

You certainly like to argue strawman style. I already mentioned guttural Merc V8's and yet here you are trying to use it poorly to argue a point I already made. BTW the Zonda's motor is a Mercedes unit "You ask me who am I to define this?" Yet here you are questioning much smarter engineers than yourself as to why they chose to use a huge V10 for their sports car. The irony kills me.

Once again, I am well aware that Pagani uses a Mercedes motor. Although I'm sure you think that you're blowing my mind with this information (You're not), that is not at all relevant to the discussion. A 6.0L Mercedes engine and a 6.0L Mercedes Engine in a Zonda have the same displacement.

I'm happy that I'm passed the point in my life where the misuse of the word "irony" annoyed me.

Speculating on an alternative engine design and trying to define the "approach and tradition" to several country's methods of design are two completely different things.

We are discussing a design change that could potentially make the Viper a stronger car.

You are trying to define the "traditions and approaches" that countries build cars with. Go ahead, say that's a "strawman" point, your text has already been quoted.

You truly missed the point of the Vipers designers because of your lack of understanding and huge bias clouding your vision. The chose the big V10 because they had a measly 50 mill to fully develop the Viper. That was the best motor they had at the time for the modern day Cobra Daytona vision they had. Its been refined and lightened a lot since then. Bottom line does the car get the job done against your hightech hero cars? Dont worry its a rhetorical question. The whole world knows that answer.

Someone who's profile name is Snakebitten and is obviously a huge fan should refrain from bringing up bias in a discussion about the Viper. That is irony.

Whether or not it could compete with "high tech" cars of the time is extremely debatable.

Very many people will cite places where more refined cars from the likes of Porsche trounced the Viper. That's the point of the smaller engine discussion. If they shrunk the displacement, they would have an easier time making components lighter and could possibly end up with a car that could compete with the modern "high tech" cars.

Mr. Strawman I was refering to highs strung, high hp/ltr engines like the Vtecs. Great little motors but the auto world would be boring to me if the only exhaust sounds we heard were high pitched wails. I simply meant most of us love the diversity and can appreciate the different nuances of each mfgs approach to engine building as long as it delivers.

Modern V8's and other high displacement engines are running higher compression and are generally more "high strung" (to put in layman's terms) than engines from years past that screamed.

Another strawman.

Irrelevant argument. Gas engines are still just air pumps whether they are 4-6-8-10-12-16 cylinders. Thats a lot of variety. Then you add in those cylinders with OHV, OHC, VVEL, VTec, Mivec etc and you have numerous possibilities available to any mfg around the world. They pick what best suits the overall package they are trying to bring to market.

What about the Vipers V10 that renders it ineffective? Stop spewing the same tired rehashed drivel and actually give us a good reason why the Viper's engine is worthless. Enlighten us please without the hp/ltr strawman argument

For someone who likes to accuse others of presenting strawman arguments, you sure do like to use them (when you're done mislabeling them). It's almost as if you recently read a couple Wikipedia pages on discussion techniques and are a bit overenthusiastic to use them. (hint hint)

Also, you spend more time insulting opposing arguments than you do refuting them. Not a very good way to make friends nor prove your point 👎

It's a very relevant argument, actually. The weaknesses of heaving a massively inefficient engine is the reason why an 8.7L Viper would have difficulty working for Dodge. Even Muscle cars of today are moving towards "higher strung" engines for the obvious benefits. Of course, today's muscle cars are still "low strung" compared to the low-displacement crowd to about the same ratio as they were 50 years ago. Not everything will stay the way you liked it in the early 90's.

You have proven my point by making this argument as I know you would . Bugatti CHOSE to go in this direction lol so they did. They could have made the Veyron lighter and use a smaller displacement motor, used RWD, etc but that is not the direction the engineers wanted to go. Similar with any mfg that uses large or small displacement motors etc.

Similar with the Viper concept. Nothing about the car was to be conventional. It was the anti establishment car. Back to basics, throwback car and thats the direction they went and it sold quite well especially the gen 1 & 2's to that niche market.

It is funny that you lecture me on me supposedly not reading up on engine building but you completely didnt get the Bugatti 16.4 nomenclature LOL.

Anyway Im going to leave this discussion to wane. As with all the other forums that this car gets bashed on it boils down to an emotional argument by the haters. Facts get ignored and strawman arguments ensue and no consensus is ever reached. At least it hasnt degraded into an overly childish name calling thread.👍

No, actually I didn't. Fail troll fails.

A Veyron is on a completely different level than a Viper. It uses 8.0L+ Because it needs to.

Once again. None of what you said is relevant to the engine size of the Viper.

Your lack of knowledge and my lack of interest in the Veyron (and level of sleepiness, in the case of the post) are two different issues.

Yes, please leave the discussion to wane . Your attempts to hold the intellectual high ground through poorly articulated and inaccurate passes towards your opposition's credibility only convince people that you lack the maturity necessary to participate in this discussion.

In other words, you write argue like you're 12 and have a particularly heartfelt devotion to the Dodge Viper (lol).

 

[Snakebitten]

Yaaawn. I can go tit for tat with you but it would avoid the issue which is the point of your strawman arguments. You consistantly show a lack of knowledge with the cars you are arguing about and when brought to your attention you claim you dont care about the car lol. Why dont you educate yourself on the Viper or any car you so vehemently hate to get the facts. They tested both v8's and the v10 before using the v10. So it wasnt as simplistic a choice as you try to make it out to be.

After all that verbal diarrhea you put to several posts you still haven't given one ounce of logical reasoning based on actual fact as to why the Viper package isn't competitive. You can't because the hard performance numbers prove it's a capable package from a performance standpoint. Feel free to continue attacking me. Bone up a little more on your wiki searches but please in between the emotional attacks just give some logical reasoning as to why the package doesn't perform due to it's woefully ancient architecture and large displacement.

 

[Nish]

@Zenith013

"Very many people will cite places where more refined cars from the likes of Porsche trounced the Viper. That's the point of the smaller engine discussion. If they shrunk the displacement, they would have an easier time making components lighter and could possibly end up with a car that could compete with the modern "high tech" cars."

Porsche trounced the Viper because they complained it had an unfair advantage with it's wide tire's (they were stock size). As a result Viper team's were made to wear smaller tire's than a road going Viper, severely hampering it's performance.

 

[Nicksfix]

Here is something from Allpar.

Thoughts ?

 

[SuperShouden]

Sounds like Dodge wants to bring back the Copperhead/Firepower, as well. They should call it the smaller, V8 cousin the Rattlesnake or Rattler for short.

 

[Keef]

Thoughts ?

Those are some of the worst artist renderings I've seen in my life.

 

[Joey D]

They're probably all way off base, all rendering are. But I guess it does give some sort of idea and some of those rendering do look pretty cool.

 

[Zenith]

Those are some of the worst artist renderings I've seen in my life.

Quoted for truth. One of the worst designed websites I've seen in a while as well.

 

[eSZee]

Please visit allpar.com to see this image and more.

Please visit allpar.com to see this image and more.

Please visit allpar.com to see this image and more.

Please visit allpar.com to see this image and more.

Please visit allpar.com to see this image and more.

 

[Tornado]

Holy Photoshopped Ferraris, Batman!

 

[Snakebitten]

I've seen those pics a while ago on a Viper site. The guys that saw the initial mock up SRT showed them in Fla have said none of those Photoshops look like what they saw. The unveil is in NYC this April at the Auto show.

 

[RocZX]

Do you want to see a teaser of the new Viper....

If the DriveSRT Facebook page hits 10,000 likes by February 1, the Chrysler performance brand promises to release a teaser image of the new Viper.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1072227_drive-srt-to-tease-the-new-dodge-viper

DriveSRT facebook- http://facebook.com/driveSRT?id=214...7_drive-srt-to-tease-the-new-dodge-viper&_rdr



Edit: Update the DriveSRT facebook has reached 10K "likes".

Edit #2: From the DriveSRT FB-

We're set to launch the 2013 Viper teaser image at 11:59:59 PM Eastern Time on Monday, January 30.

 

[Blackbird.]

It's gonna be a mirror.

 

[RocZX]

The SRT Viper teaser.....

 

[Zenith]

At least show us the a part of the actual car.