Genesis Coupe Thread

[YSSMAN]

Stupid question, but what does the 'G' stand for in DIG and GDI?

The 'D' in 'DIG' for GM system stands for "Gasoline," as in "Direct Injection Gasoline." My guess is that the acronym for Hyundai would be "Gasoline Direct Injection."

I was pretty sure Hyundai was working on a DIG system as well, for the i30 or something like that? Since GM has a DIG four pot debuting this year, and I believe Ford will have one in the not-so-distant future as well, it seems likely that Hyundai would have to develop a system at some point.

 

[niky]

Uhhh... Gasoline?

I picked the E46 because it's around the same power as these monsters... well, same peak power... the increase in displacement in this segment is in recognition that average horsepower counts a lot for acceleration, especially with the increasing weight of cars nowadays.

The issue with GDi, just as with diesel direct injection, is that you need specific high pressure injectors and assume a constant quality of gasoline in order to keep the engine within safe parameters... very finicky to tune and more expensive to maintain in the long run (from what I've seen, one high pressure injector can cost about the same as a full-set of regular ones... ). With gasoline engines, the benefits are marginal compared to diesels... so I'm not so keen to see everyone adopting them, not until the cost of manufacture for these injectors and engines go down.

 

[Jay]

The issue with GDi, just as with diesel direct injection, is that you need specific high pressure injectors and assume a constant quality of gasoline in order to keep the engine within safe parameters... very finicky to tune and more expensive to maintain in the long run (from what I've seen, one high pressure injector can cost about the same as a full-set of regular ones... ). With gasoline engines, the benefits are marginal compared to diesels... so I'm not so keen to see everyone adopting them, not until the cost of manufacture for these injectors and engines go down.

I feel the same, not to mention the small timing wondow you have with DI (which is part of the reason it relies on correct pressure so much), usual MPI engines you tune on large duty cycles.

I am curious to see these engines when the fuel system starts to become tired or dirty.

I am not too quick to jump on the DI train but it appears it is quickly becoming the norm.

 

[Omnis]

If it's not a proprietary name, Hyundai might've just called it GDI due to Korean syntax. I saw an engine and a sign next to it in korean. GDI would have its benefits for fuel economy. I'm pretty sure the main advantage is the ability to have an ultra lean burn with the fuel shot in at the end of the compression stroke. I remember the sign saying something about mpg in the high 30s.

edit:

New, official curb weights on the cars:

 

[McLaren]

Why is there a 335i & a G37 in that list? Surely they don't believe even the V6 model stands a chance.

 

[Omnis]

Because the G37 is the Gen's most direct competition.

 

[McLaren]

I'll have to believe it when I see it as a competitor. I know from 2 drives, just how much of a beast the G37 is.

 

[Bones Brigade]

3400 huh. Thats about the weight of a 350z. Lighter than I was expecting.

 

[JCE]

New, official curb weights on the cars:

Wow, the 3.8 weights less than 3400lbs? That's pretty light and considering the power rating it might just give the Camaro and Mustang a serious run for their money.

 

[CDailey]

Why is there a 335i & a G37 in that list? Surely they don't believe even the V6 model stands a chance.

Why wouldn't they be? Same style engine, similar power output, similar weight, similar size. They are direct competitors.

Only difference is the G37 and 335 would be considered more luxury than the Genesis.

 

[McLaren]

Why wouldn't they be? Same style engine, similar power output, similar weight, similar size. They are direct competitors.

Only difference is the G37 and 335 would be considered more luxury than the Genesis.

Direct competitors, specifications wise. I highly doubt they are direct competitors on the track though.

 

[Bones Brigade]

Direct competitors, specifications wise. I highly doubt they are direct competitors on the track though.

uh, in that the GenCoupe will be better? Or you're just assuming that it's not going to match the other two? Care to offer your reasons why - and not just that you drove a G37 and it was a beast. Neither the G or the 3 are sports cars and neither put up big numbers. These cars are DIRECT competitors in every way and "at the track" I would be willing to put money on the Genesis being at least equal to both.

 

[McLaren]

uh, in that the GenCoupe will be better? Or you're just assuming that it's not going to match the other two? Care to offer your reasons why - and not just that you drove a G37 and it was a beast. Neither the G or the 3 are sports cars and neither put up big numbers. These cars are DIRECT competitors in every way and "at the track" I would be willing to put money on the Genesis being at least equal to both.

First off, the G37 & 335i Coupe are sports cars. End of story there. As track times go, the 335i is an extremely well engineered car, capable of running next to a M6, IS-F, Evo X MR, & RS4 (B7). I highly doubt Hyundai got the car perfect enough to follow it. As for the G, it might go well against the G37, but if it can supposedly go against the 335i, then the G37 S is what it "should" be against.

 

[MinoltaMan89]

Looks like Hyundai is really serious about this car. I'm still waiting for a version with a raised hood so the 4.6 will fit. And how about a SC V8 to give the GT500 a run for its money? Then you'd need an even bigger hood.

I also want a Z with the 490 hp 5.0L V8 that will be in the FX50 Sport.

 

[Giancarlo]

It has strong lines, i like that, but the front still looks smushed.

Are there any pictures of the back end? I've yet to see one.

Edit: Oh nevermind, i just saw a video on page 3 - i absolutely hate altezza lights. My god.

This thing's pretty huge, eh?

 

[niky]

First off, the G37 & 335i Coupe are sports cars. End of story there. As track times go, the 335i is an extremely well engineered car, capable of running next to a M6, IS-F, Evo X MR, & RS4 (B7). I highly doubt Hyundai got the car perfect enough to follow it. As for the G, it might go well against the G37, but if it can supposedly go against the 335i, then the G37 S is what it "should" be against.

Uh... both being 2+2 coupes based on sedans? You could make the argument for the 370Z (bespoke body on a shorter chassis) or the M3 (shares only one body panel with the regular 3-series), but any logical classification that rates the G37 and 335i as "sportscars" also rates the Hyundai Genesis Coupe as a sportscar.

The V6 sedan with an automatic can run 6's to 60, a manual coupe should run in the mid-5's, just like the other two cars. Handling-wise... nobody knows yet. While the sedan leaves a little to be desired in terms of handling, that car is bigger than a 5-series, so it's to be expected.

The 335i is a great car, and probably will be the Hyundai's better on the racetrack, but the Genesis Coupe is bang-slam in the middle of BMW's target market... with better space, warmer interiors (seriously, unless you spec the hell out of it, the 3-series is a very spartan place to be...) and great pricing.

 

[McLaren]

Uh... both being 2+2 coupes based on sedans? You could make the argument for the 370Z (bespoke body on a shorter chassis) or the M3 (shares only one body panel with the regular 3-series), but any logical classification that rates the G37 and 335i as "sportscars" also rates the Hyundai Genesis Coupe as a sportscar.

I do rate the Coupe as a sports car.

The V6 sedan with an automatic can run 6's to 60, a manual coupe should run in the mid-5's, just like the other two cars. Handling-wise... nobody knows yet. While the sedan leaves a little to be desired in terms of handling, that car is bigger than a 5-series, so it's to be expected.

0-60 doesn't really mean diddly, imo. It's just a stat used for bench-mark racing when folks don't have actual track times.

 

[Perfect Balance]

Has anyone been on the website for the coupe? It has Rhys Millen driving the coupe around Road Atlanta commenting on how great and planted the car feels.

I know that's not really a good way to judge a car, but saying that you "highly doubt" that Hyundai got the handling right is a bit of a stretch. It might not handle perfect, but it should handle pretty good. It's not like the G37 or BMW is the benchmark for handling performance either.

 

[niky]

I do rate the Coupe as a sports car.

Then why mention that the 335i and G37 are sportscars, then? Because that doesn't lend anything to the argument either way.

0-60 doesn't really mean diddly, imo. It's just a stat used for bench-mark racing when folks don't have actual track times.

Which we don't.

But for people buying these cars, 0-60, artificial measure though it may be, actually matters... because you're not buying a 1.5+ ton coupe to go to the racetrack.

If you're shopping for a track-toy at BMW, why go for the bigger 335i when you can get the 135i? Or, if you're going to Nissan/Infiniti, why settle for the bigger, heavier G37? Why not get the 370Z with its smaller footprint and the new rev-matching feature?

Cars like the 335i coupe may be able to go to the racetrack and cut good times (as long as it's not too hot out... ), but they're marketed as premium products within their lines, more Sports-Grand Touring than out-and-out sportscars. And, in those respects, 0-60 times (or better, 50-70 times) and open-road pace actually do matter.

Whether or not you think the Hyundai is as good as the BMW (personally, I'm not holding high hopes for it), it's still a segment competitor. Many BMW buyers will not see it as such, but the whole point of the Genesis project is as an image-builder, to try to convince those buyers that it is.

 

[McLaren]

Then why mention that the 335i and G37 are sportscars, then? Because that doesn't lend anything to the argument either way.

I didn't bring it up. Read Bones' post. He questioned them.

If you're shopping for a track-toy at BMW, why go for the bigger 335i when you can get the 135i? Or, if you're going to Nissan/Infiniti, why settle for the bigger, heavier G37? Why not get the 370Z with its smaller footprint and the new rev-matching feature?

Perhaps they wish to use it as more than a track car? Hell, if someone wants a track car BMW, they'll buy a M3 before anything else.

And perhaps someone wants to track an Infiniti, not a Nissan, regardless of the cars sharing parts.

Whether or not you think the Hyundai is as good as the BMW (personally, I'm not holding high hopes for it), it's still a segment competitor. Many BMW buyers will not see it as such, but the whole point of the Genesis project is as an image-builder, to try to convince those buyers that it is.

The thing is, even though it may do a good job convincing people, the question is will it actually live up to it? I certainly hope it does not end up like the GT500 did.

 

[Paulie]

I'm kinda impressed by the Genesis sedan V8's weight, comparable to most sports sedans out there (of the V8 kind).

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Weight pic seems to have died?

EDIT: Disregard, works now.

 

[Bones Brigade]

I didn't bring it up. Read Bones' post. He questioned them.

they are "sporting" but not built for "sport."

 

[McLaren]

they are "sporting" but not built for "sport."

A sports car is a term used to describe a class of automobile. The exact definition varies, [1] but generally it is used to refer to a low to ground, light weight vehicle with a powerful engine. Most vehicles referred to as sports cars are rear-wheel drive, have two seats, two doors, and are designed for more precise handling, acceleration, and aesthetics. A sports car's dominant considerations can be superior road handling, braking, maneuverability, low weight, and high power, rather than passenger space, comfort, and fuel economy.

A BMW 335i & a G37 S fit this description. They are sports cars.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

1. They are not lightweight.
2. They do not sacrifice comfort or fuel economy over their sedan counterparts
3. They're 2+2s.

 

[McLaren]

1. They are not lightweight.
2. They do not sacrifice comfort or fuel economy over their sedan counterparts
3. They're 2+2s.

Doesn't matter. I still think their sports cars, that's my opinion. Don't like it? Too bad, move on.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

You had stated your opinion as fact.

 

[McLaren]

You had stated your opinion as fact.

You know, I'm really tired of reading your posts ever since Dec., & tbh, you're really starting to tick me off. And I'm not going to explain any further or why b/c I'll just end up getting banned.

So say hello to my ignore list.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

EDIT: No, no, it's not worth it. Disregard.

On topic though, hopefully Hyundai can get the chassis tuning right with this car, it's definitely got the potential to be a great all-rounder. It won't steal many 335 sales, but it will pull some of those who would at least compare the G37 and 335 with each other provided they can get past the fact that it is a Hyundai. And if it's good enough...

 

[Bones Brigade]

A BMW 335i & a G37 S fit this description. They are sports cars.

Trust me when I say that I am not trying to argue semantics. Simply, these cars are not built to achieve a top tier track performance. Whatever they may be, they don't present an unachievable performance goal. The balance between performance and comfort is where the achievement is. I may agree, it's not a sure thing (to say the least,) that Hyundai has matched that balance. But at the same time, I think it's wrong to assume, that a company with as much money and assets as Hyundai, can't create a car with similar power and less weight that at least comes close to the on track abilities of those particular rivals. Just because the company as a whole hasn't produced anything like this before, doesn't mean there aren't people there who know what they're doing.

Anyway, I'd drive any of them if I had the money lying around.