Genesis Coupe Thread

[Azuremen]

If you want to me to stop insulting your intelligence, then perhaps you can lay off the cheap shots, and stop your hypocrisy. The reason I brought up your literacy is because you ignored my post saying I consider the Coupe a sports car.

As for your majority, Omnis hasn't said a word & Rotary's on my ignore list as I haven't cared to read any more of his posts. As for Niky, he hasn't really responded to my last post, so I assume he & I were on the same page a while ago. So to be correct, it's actually just you, Bones & Perfect. But of course you'll exaggerate to make yourself appear right.

And why are you neglecting YSSMAN & Casio? They seemed to grasp part of my point, but then again, that wouldn't be helping your case, so you'll just ignore them. Unsurprising as usual.

I forgot to add YSSMAN to the list, my bad. And I actually quoted your post where you called the Genesis Coupe a sports car. In fact, I used that to make a point. You assume someone agrees with you just because they haven't posted, you ignore one of the other members, and you misunderstand another person. You're going in circles and haven't said anything new at this point, at all.

So with that, I'm done with this argument. Take some of your own advice and read before you post.

Back on topic, go with the Genesis Coupe, Danoff. Would like have cheaper maintenance costs and is quite a bit cheaper. And probably have a lower insurance premium. Plus I think it looks better, just dark out that chrome on the grill

 

[Bones Brigade]

350Z is an outgoing model, it's all about 370Z now, which has made good progress in pretty much every way since the 350Z.

Just using the car as a performance gauge.

Listen, guys, I already said to lay off the hostility. I don't want to muck up this thread with name calling and mud slinging. Take that to the coupe shootout thread. This is for coupe news.

What would life be without mudslinging?

 

[Omnis]

Just using the car as a performance gauge.



What would life be without mudslinging?

I didn't say stop. I said do it in the appropriate thread.

 

[SagarisGTB]

Looks to be a great car. 👍

Problem is that im worried that after a while the Gabriel may wear out and fall off, and the car will lose a bit of performance. And when the Hackett falls off, it could become a poor car. At the end, it may become a car that can't dance or sing. Quite worrisome for potential owners I imagine.

 

[McLaren]

I forgot to add YSSMAN to the list, my bad. And I actually quoted your post where you called the Genesis Coupe a sports car. In fact, I used that to make a point. You assume someone agrees with you just because they haven't posted, you ignore one of the other members, and you misunderstand another person. You're going in circles and haven't said anything new at this point, at all.

When? After I pointed out I called it a sports car? I didn't say niky agreed, I said I assumed we were on the same page. And I'm ignoring Rotary b/c of reasons not limited to this thread.

So with that, I'm done with this argument. Take some of your own advice and read before you post.

Be sure you do so yourself before you make the same mistakes.

The simple fact, at least for me, is that no one who is looking at a G37 or a 335ci are really going to be considering a GenCoupe 3.8 by the end of the day. Perhaps they may go and look in curioisity, but based on my viewing of the Genesis Sedan (and what that may entail for the Coupe)... It just seems unlikely to have them matched up.

That was a point of mine which is why I said you seemed to agree.

There is a certain underestimation of the amount of "tuners" that decided to buy the 335i solely based on its tuning capabilities. Many people who bought a 335i were cross shopping the car with other turbo monsters such as the EVOX, STI 09, and high powered V6 such as the G37S and the new 370Z. The Genesis Coupe, unless proven otherwise, is a valid competitor to these car models and until we get track times, they will be considered as such when taking into account its numbers on paper.

Which is nothing more than bench mark racing, and doesn't mean a thing. If it did, a GT500 should be putting up more of a fight against a Z06, but the fact is that it barely runs next to a C6 Coupe.

As for cross shopping a 335i & the Evo & STi, that hardly labels the cars as competitors. I can cross shop a Z06 & a Quattroporter GT-S. Both performance cars, but hardly competitors.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Yay for pissing contests.

 

[JCE]

Guys lets not kid ourselves. The Hyundai G-Coupe was designed to strickly compete with the Mustang, Camaro and 350/370Z. (and possibly the RX-8) Any German car is out of its price range and demographic customer base.

Now can we get back on the topic at hand--that being discussing how brilliant this thing is?

 

[Omnis]

Looks to be a great car. 👍

Problem is that im worried that after a while the Gabriel may wear out and fall off, and the car will lose a bit of performance. And when the Hackett falls off, it could become a poor car. At the end, it may become a car that can't dance or sing. Quite worrisome for potential owners I imagine.

So would that be funny in Winnipeg? You'll have to explain it.

 

[McLaren]

Guys lets not kid ourselves. The Hyundai G-Coupe was designed to strickly compete with the Mustang, Camaro and 350/370Z. (and possibly the RX-8) Any German car is out of its price range and demographic customer base.

Now can we get back on the topic at hand--that being discussing how brilliant this thing is?

Another person who grasps that the GenCoupe won't be a direct competitor to the 3.

And to set the record straight, I do think the GenCoupe will be a great car (though for some reason, it looks like a Korean G37 imo). I wouldn't mind a drive behind the V6-equipped model either, and I like what the tuners, esp. HKS, have done to it. Hell, I can't wait to see what Jotech does to their's when they show it off in April.

 

[Danoff]

Guys lets not kid ourselves. The Hyundai G-Coupe was designed to strickly compete with the Mustang, Camaro and 350/370Z. (and possibly the RX-8) Any German car is out of its price range and demographic customer base.

Now can we get back on the topic at hand--that being discussing how brilliant this thing is?

From someone who is considering a 3-series and Genesis Coupe simultaneously, I have to disagree.

 

[Tornado]

If the Genesis Coupe is supposed to compete with the G37, and the G37 is supposed to compete with the Beamer 335Ci, why can't the Genesis Coupe compete with the 335Ci?

 

[JCE]

From someone who is considering a 3-series and Genesis Coupe simultaneously, I have to disagree.

Exception to the rule. 👍 There is always one.

 

[Bones Brigade]

There will be more price conscious customers shopping the G than the 3.

 

[JCE]

If you have to be price concious while shopping for an Infiniti or BMW then you don't NEED to buy an Infiniti or BMW. That's my opinion. If you are worried about money buy a Camaro, Mustang, 370Z or Gen Coupe.

 

[Bones Brigade]

No one needs any of those cars. Someone bringing home 50k a year could easily get a G37 but that doesnt mean they necessarily want to spend 25% of their income per month on a car. I think people will find the car they most want that they can afford. The average BMW owner probably isn't someone who doesn't have to worry about bills each month. They just have more expensive bills for things a lot of us would think not necessary.

 

[Omnis]

Why don't we stop being so collectivist about consumer attitudes. Also, I'm not going to say it again: discuss Gen Coupe news in here. Discuss Gen Coupe vs. other cars in the shootout thread in the general board.

 

[McLaren]

If the Genesis Coupe is supposed to compete with the G37, and the G37 is supposed to compete with the Beamer 335Ci, why can't the Genesis Coupe compete with the 335Ci?

Because the G37 does not compete with the 335i. The G37S does.

 

[Div is back]

If you have to be price concious while shopping for an Infiniti or BMW then you don't NEED to buy an Infiniti or BMW. That's my opinion. If you are worried about money buy a Camaro, Mustang, 370Z or Gen Coupe.

The 335i is a massive exception to standard products offered by BMW. It is the first twin turbocharged engine from BMW that has massive support from the tuner community. The 335i is not your average lawyer/snob/BMW driver kind of car. I would venture to say the majority of buyers have purchased the car with modifications in mind considering the ease. The badge whores opted for the 328i. People were not cross shopping the 335i with the C350, they were doing so with comparables sports cars, which the C350 is not, while the 370Z, G37S and the new Gcoupe all are. Reventon, your overusage of hyperboles definately hurts your argumentation and grasping at straws such as G37S instead of G37 doesnt help either.

With the Genesis Coupe having such a low price yet has highly comparable numbers and even better aftermarket support, I am confident that many 335i drivers will opt of BMW and take a serious look at the GCoupe.

 

[JCE]

With the Genesis Coupe having such a low price yet has highly comparable numbers and even better aftermarket support, I am confident that many 335i drivers will opt of BMW and take a serious look at the GCoupe.

We can only hope...

 

[Paulie]

I thought you guys might like to see what people are already doing with the turbo 4 Genesis Coupe. According to the video it's a Korean company called Dragon Motors. It's been fairly heavily modified as visible, and they say it's a GT30R turbo (big I'm guessing?). Never the less, awesome power.

 

[Jay]

Can't watch the video as I am capped at the moment and it would take ages to load but I am not suprised I was wondering how long it would take for a tuned turbo version to pop up.

GT30R outputs around 52-56lbs/min of air (depending on A/R) so it should be able to provide up to around 500hp.

 

[Paulie]

Can't watch the video as I am capped at the moment and it would take ages to load but I am not suprised I was wondering how long it would take for a tuned turbo version to pop up.

GT30R outputs around 52-56lbs/min of air (depending on A/R) so it should be able to provide up to around 500hp.

Since you can't watch the the vid, it says the dyno showed 360rwhp.

 

[Jay]

Since you can't watch the the vid, it says the dyno showed 360rwhp.

cool, thats about right 👍

 

[Stevisiov]

It also shows a farily large area under the torque curve, its not perfectly smooth but its plenty of torque.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Seeing that, I'll have my 2.0T R-Spec in black, thanks.

 

[Omnis]

Yeah the Korean tuners who have made the most progress are Dragon Motors and Zenon Dressup. And then K-spec is working with HKS and made the HKS machines.

Those numbers are also a little fudged. The dyno is in PS and Kg/m. So expect about 5 less HP than published and only 289 ft/lbs. I'm wondering if that was a twin scroll on that car because a lot of the torque curves I've seen for the upgraded turbos are flat and only start making torque at above 3k rpm.

 

[Jay]

I'm wondering if that was a twin scroll on that car because a lot of the torque curves I've seen for the upgraded turbos are flat and only start making torque at above 3k rpm.

With turbocharged engines the torque 'curve' is really dependant on how well boost is controlled, which means how the wastegate is setup, what size, how good the boost controller is etc. and if the turbo is running out of steam a linear drop off is expected. General cam timing and profile play a part to but to a lesser extent.


but I havent seen the torque curve so I can't really comment on this instance.

 

[niky]

If it's a fat curve, then they're playing conservative at the top end, and capping off the power just to stay safe.

 

[JCE]

That was a mean machine! 👍

 

[Omnis]

Here's an interesting video:

How to move your freshly shipped Gen Coupe into the dealership's simulation room



Also, here are driving impressions from a proving-ground tester (the gentleman who flogs cars for a living):

It's fun to drive. If I could afford it, and work gave me a good discount, I'd buy one.

We tested a 3.8 track model. The 100k mile test sequence just ended last month. Ours was an auto though, so I have no idea how the 6mt feels.

not that it matters anymore... here are some crappy cell phone pics I took months ago while working(night shift + no flash = FTL)

from the high speed test oval at the facility



from the local walmart during lunch @ 3am

it's decently quick, handles pretty damn good, brembos are amazing, auto shifts pretty solidly(up and down, no sloppy slipping). It rides pretty good on the freeway. But you have to remember, most of my driving of it(about 3000miles) was done doing durability testing. Beating the hell out of the car, just not in a real fun way. The test procedures are very specific and they datalog everything. So, no real "playing around" Sad But I still like the car, being poor sucks.