Genesis Coupe Thread

[Omnis]

You guys are making claims, not opinions. Big difference there. Anyway, stop being all hostile towards eachother.

In other news, it seems the v6 is a dry sump. No wonder millen didn't soup up the i4.

 

[YSSMAN]

I think we're overshooting what Hyundai expects to do with the car by targeting the G37 and 335ci. Yes, technically they are presumably the closest cars to the overall shape, size, power, etc of the GenCoupe... But that doesn't make them direct competition. I believe Hyundai's main goal was to take down the 370Z and the Ford Mustang. I'd say they checked all their boxes without much work.

Which begs the question?

What Am I??? Chopped Liver???

 

[Jim Prower]

No...just a little eccentric. and oil-thirsty.

 

[Omnis]

No...just a little eccentric. and oil-thirsty.

And tiny.

The Gen looks pretty big. Here it is next to a G:

And here's a video of the stock exhaust on the V6. Complete with Mrs. Swam holding the camera.

http://photobucket.com/albums/tt267/tibguy2300/?action=view&current=Picture.flv

 

[YSSMAN]

Its that big and weighs only that much? Something seems very, very fishy with those numbers. I'm wondering if its a dry weight, and what options are on the car. Based on that photograph, it weighing less than 3800 lbs seems almost like a miracle.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Which begs the question?
*RX-8 pic*
What Am I??? Chopped Liver???

Too weak to compete because Mazda YOU LOOK SO SILLY without a turbo rotary. And yes, I know, I know, that would worsen the thirst etc, but it would be fast while it lasted.

 

[Azuremen]

Doesn't matter. I still think their sports cars, that's my opinion. Don't like it? Too bad, move on.

Wow. You state things like they are fact, then back out to the opinion stage. After ranting about how the 335i and G37 are sports cars, but the lighter, just as powerful, with just as many options car isn't

Face it, they are all Grand Tourers. Not true sports cars. True sports cars are Lotus, S2000, MR2, Miata and so on. Impractical cars with weight in mind and comfort out of mind.

Get off your high horse about your "opinion" and learn how to present yourself better.

Hyundai is selling these cheaper than what they are competing with, taking a page straight from when Lexus, Acura, and Infinti starter out in the US.

 

[Perfect Balance]

That G37 in the "comparison" pic appears to be lowered, making the Coupe next to it look larger. Drop the coupe down another 2 inches or so and it will appear exactly the same size. Not to mention the black color on the G gives the illusion that it's smaller than it really is.

 

[McLaren]

Wow. You state things like they are fact, then back out to the opinion stage. After ranting about how the 335i and G37 are sports cars, but the lighter, just as powerful, with just as many options car isn't

Wow. Would you people read a damn post before you try to make a point? You just shoot your whole argument in the foot when you don't.

Uh... both being 2+2 coupes based on sedans? You could make the argument for the 370Z (bespoke body on a shorter chassis) or the M3 (shares only one body panel with the regular 3-series), but any logical classification that rates the G37 and 335i as "sportscars" also rates the Hyundai Genesis Coupe as a sportscar.

I do rate the Coupe as a sports car.

Jesus.

Face it, they are all Grand Tourers. Not true sports cars. True sports cars are Lotus, S2000, MR2, Miata and so on. Impractical cars with weight in mind and comfort out of mind.

Doesn't mean they aren't sports cars. Read.

They also provide bigger storage space and more accessories. However, grand tourers do have similarities with sports cars, such as their use mainly of rear- or four-wheel drive, and the term sports car may be used to describe a car with grand touring qualities. Very high-performance grand tourers, such as the Aston Martin DB9, Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano, HSV GTS, Nissan GT-R and the Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, may be considered to be supercars.

Hyundai is selling these cheaper than what they are competing with, taking a page straight from when Lexus, Acura, and Infinti starter out in the US.

Except if you notice, neither of those 3 hit their mark the first time, either. It took them a few years to finally make themselves a threat to the Germans. Hyundai may by some chance, but I will never consider it a direct competitor. People won't cross shop a 335i with a Genesis Coupe, regardless of performance.

The only real props I give to Hyundai at this point are surpassing the continuous amounts of US cars that attempt to become German competitors in just 1 model.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

People won't cross shop a 335i with a Genesis Coupe, regardless of performance.

Correction, the BMW badge snobs won't cross shop a 335i with a Genesis. Those who would even give the G37 so much as a passing glance would more likely than not also look at the Genesis provided what they've heard is good.

 

[Div is back]

Correction, the BMW badge snobs won't cross shop a 335i with a Genesis. Those who would even give the G37 so much as a passing glance would more likely than not also look at the Genesis provided what they've heard is good.

+1000

Reventon, snob, nothing new.

http://e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=36

I can spot a min. of 3 Hyunday threads on E90post.com on the first page. No coincidence.

http://e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201846

 

[McLaren]

+1000

Reventon, snob, nothing new.

Yeah, I'm a snob. That's why my entire driveway is full of nothing but German cars. Oh wait, no it isn't.

 

[JCE]

I wish my driveway was full of German cars.

 

[niky]

I wish I had a german frank right about now... mhmmmm...

 

[Azuremen]

Why is there a 335i & a G37 in that list? Surely they don't believe even the V6 model stands a chance.

I'll have to believe it when I see it as a competitor. I know from 2 drives, just how much of a beast the G37 is.

Awesome, so your rather un-professional opinion on performance based on some driving.

Direct competitors, specifications wise. I highly doubt they are direct competitors on the track though.

Based on what? Your test drive of the BMW and the G37 versus you knowing near to nothing on the Genesis?

First off, the G37 & 335i Coupe are sports cars. End of story there. As track times go, the 335i is an extremely well engineered car, capable of running next to a M6, IS-F, Evo X MR, & RS4 (B7). I highly doubt Hyundai got the car perfect enough to follow it. As for the G, it might go well against the G37, but if it can supposedly go against the 335i, then the G37 S is what it "should" be against.

I do rate the Coupe as a sports car.

So despite you declaring that the 335i and G37 are sports cars, and thus their is no argument that the Genesis could keep up. But then you say it is also a sports car. So wait, they are all in the same group for performance again, by your own words.

A sports car is a term used to describe a class of automobile. The exact definition varies, [1] but generally it is used to refer to a low to ground, light weight vehicle with a powerful engine. Most vehicles referred to as sports cars are rear-wheel drive, have two seats, two doors, and are designed for more precise handling, acceleration, and aesthetics. A sports car's dominant considerations can be superior road handling, braking, maneuverability, low weight, and high power, rather than passenger space, comfort, and fuel economy.

A BMW 335i & a G37 S fit this description. They are sports cars.

Except they don't meet the light weight, two seats, or as precise handling, as say, their track made counter parts like the 370Z and M3.

Wow. Would you people read a damn post before you try to make a point? You just shoot your whole argument in the foot when you don't.

If you arguments made much sense, we probably wouldn't be as confused trying to figure out what you are saying.

Jesus.

Pretty much

Doesn't mean they aren't sports cars. Read.

Hey I was just going by your Wikipedia quote.

Except if you notice, neither of those 3 hit their mark the first time, either. It took them a few years to finally make themselves a threat to the Germans. Hyundai may by some chance, but I will never consider it a direct competitor. People won't cross shop a 335i with a Genesis Coupe, regardless of performance.

People that want a fast, fun RWD car will cross shop, actually. Other wise they wouldn't have been mentioned in this thread already.

Also, the LS400 pretty much competed directly with the S class from Benz to start with, just took time for normal people to realize this.

Honestly, you haven't made your opinion clear except that you seem to hate on Hyundai. Perhaps because the Genesis Coupe will cost less than either car you bought and be faster. I dunno though. Maybe because like most badge snobs, you can't actually see that a race driver is saying the Hyundai handles well, or that it weighs less than the 335i or G37, or costs less, or has the looks?

You have failed to present a single fact, solid piece of evidence, or even an opinion based on something besides "well, I think they no doubt have the handling wrong and I know how much of a beast a G37 is."

 

[Casio]

If I was looking at a BMW, I wouldn't be looking at a Hyundai, it's nothing to do with snobbery, it's to do with the type of car I want. If you're looking at it purely as a drivers car, than sure maybe you could cross-shop them, but then you'd be cross-shopping Elises and EVOs too.

Personally, I don't buy expensive to maintain, repair and run European cars because I'm a snob, I know full well I could have got a 'better' Japanese car or even Korean car for the money I paid, but then it wouldn't be what I liked or desired.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

See, but the Hyundai looks poised to deliver everything you'd want in a BMW 3 or an Infiniti G-car at a cut rate price.

 

[McLaren]

So despite you declaring that the 335i and G37 are sports cars, and thus their is no argument that the Genesis could keep up. But then you say it is also a sports car. So wait, they are all in the same group for performance again, by your own words.

I classify them all as sports cars. That doesn't mean I believe all sports cars perform the same.

Except they don't meet the light weight, two seats, or as precise handling, as say, their track made counter parts like the 370Z and M3.

Read the sentence before that & the entry for Grand Tourer.

If you arguments made much sense, we probably wouldn't be as confused trying to figure out what you are saying.

All you had to do was read when I told niky I consider the Genesis Coupe a sports car. But, apparently, you were too illiterate to do so.

Hey I was just going by your Wikipedia quote.

Except you worded it for your own purpose, which seems to be a habit of your's.

People that want a fast, fun RWD car will cross shop, actually. Other wise they wouldn't have been mentioned in this thread already.

They'll cross shop cars in their price categories, not a $30,000 Genesis & a $50,000 BMW. This same argument applies to why Ferrari owners don't buy ZR1's.

Also, the LS400 pretty much competed directly with the S class from Benz to start with, just took time for normal people to realize this.

Did it out-do it, though? No.

Honestly, you haven't made your opinion clear except that you seem to hate on Hyundai.

I don't hate Hyundai. Never did, so stick that right back up your rear.

Perhaps because the Genesis Coupe will cost less than either car you bought and be faster. I dunno though.

You & rotary must be best friends. Seems you both have to resort to taking a shot at my own cars.

Maybe because like most badge snobs, you can't actually see that a race driver is saying the Hyundai handles well, or that it weighs less than the 335i or G37, or costs less, or has the looks?

Badge snob? Pot calling the kettle black. No surprise.

And I haven't seen a race driver say that, so your whole point is pretty much nothing but crap.

 

[Perfect Balance]

And I haven't seen a race driver say that, so your whole point is pretty much nothing but crap.

Rhys Millen, while driving the Coupe around Road Atlanta, I said it earlier.

EDIT: You might have never said you hate Hyundai, but mentioning repeatedly that you "highly doubt" Hyundai got the handling right shows that you're expecting the car to be crap, when there's absolutely no logical reason why you would assume that. (quite the opposite is more accurate actually) The only conclusion we can come to is that you've got a negative viewpoint on Hyundai as a capable manufacturer.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

They'll cross shop cars in their price categories, not a $30,000 Genesis & a $50,000 BMW. This same argument applies to why Ferrari owners don't buy ZR1's.

A.K.A they're too blinded by the badge to bother. When you're buying a Fezza, you're buying a Fezza because you want a Fezza, not because you want the "best" car for your money. Which would be a ZR-1 if you're after all out balls to the wall performance (Well, really, a Viper ACR, but the ZR-1 if you want a tiny bit of comfort thrown in).

Same sort of thing applies with the Gen vs the BMW. Yeah, the BMW buyers will buy the BMW, namely so they can continue driving like dicks on the road (haven't seen anyone in an at all modern BMW who didn't) and saying "yeah, I've got a BMW". But anyone at all who actually cares about what they're getting and not the badge on it, will at least give the Gen a look seeing as it looks prepared to go after the big dogs at a much lower price.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if the Gen winds up a nicer place to be than a more basic 3 series.

 

[McLaren]

Rhys Millen, while driving the Coupe around Road Atlanta, I said it earlier.

EDIT: You might have never said you hate Hyundai, but mentioning repeatedly that you "highly doubt" Hyundai got the handling right shows that you're expecting the car to be crap, when there's absolutely no logical reason why you would assume that. (quite the opposite is more accurate actually) The only conclusion we can come to is that you've got a negative viewpoint on Hyundai as a capable manufacturer.

If Millen gave it a review, then I retract my statement.


And you're doing nothing but assuming. Doubting a car now means one thinks its crap? Terrific logic. I don't think the Coupe is crap at all, I just won't believe it will actually compete with the G37 or the 335i until I see it. And I also never said I don't think Hyundai isn't capable. If you had actually done the opposite of Azure and read, I already gave the company props for finally getting closer to the Germans than America's companies who have been trying for how many years now?

But that apparently doesn't matter when you're goal is to assume & stick words in my mouth.

 

[Azuremen]

We do read, so stop insulting our intelligence. If you could stop taking single sentences and running with them, versus take in the entire paragraph/statement, would make things easier. You claim I twist words, but you just seem to ignore the entire context of what others say.

Everyone else has been on the same page about what you've said. While you might have meant to say something different, we've all taken more or less the same thing from it, thus the confusion amongst, lets see here, Niky, Rotary Junkie, Perfect Balance, Bones Brigade, Omnis, and myself.

When the majority is misunderstanding you, it is time to consider a new approach to things, no?

 

[McLaren]

If you want to me to stop insulting your intelligence, then perhaps you can lay off the cheap shots, and stop your hypocrisy. The reason I brought up your literacy is because you ignored my post saying I consider the Coupe a sports car.

As for your majority, Omnis hasn't said a word & Rotary's on my ignore list as I haven't cared to read any more of his posts. As for Niky, he hasn't really responded to my last post, so I assume he & I were on the same page a while ago. So to be correct, it's actually just you, Bones & Perfect. But of course you'll exaggerate to make yourself appear right.

And why are you neglecting YSSMAN & Casio? They seemed to grasp part of my point, but then again, that wouldn't be helping your case, so you'll just ignore them. Unsurprising as usual.

 

[Bones Brigade]

I get your point. I brought up the sports car reference to illustrate the performance level Hyundai is shooting for, and what the G37 achieves. All I've been saying is that the mark isn't that high. A 350Z will better a G35 with ease and I'm sure it could best the G37. And with so many cars hovering around the 350z, I just wonder for what reason would the Genesis not match that?

I should concede on the front of the 335. I don't know too much about it. My only gauge is a few magazine road tests here and there. In particular, Car and Drivers Lightning Lap in which it got a time of 3:10. 2.5s better than the 350Z. The G37 S was 3:17.

 

[Leonidae]

Oh the drama.. this is why I don't have digibox.

 

[Jay]

I get your point. I brought up the sports car reference to illustrate the performance level Hyundai is shooting for, and what the G37 achieves. All I've been saying is that the mark isn't that high. A 350Z will better a G35 with ease and I'm sure it could best the G37. And with so many cars hovering around the 350z, I just wonder for what reason would the Genesis not match that?

I should concede on the front of the 335. I don't know too much about it. My only gauge is a few magazine road tests here and there. In particular, Car and Drivers Lightning Lap in which it got a time of 3:10. 2.5s better than the 350Z. The G37 S was 3:17.

350Z is an outgoing model, it's all about 370Z now, which has made good progress in pretty much every way since the 350Z.

 

[Omnis]

Listen, guys, I already said to lay off the hostility. I don't want to muck up this thread with name calling and mud slinging. Take that to the coupe shootout thread. This is for coupe news.

 

[YSSMAN]

And why are you neglecting YSSMAN & Casio? They seemed to grasp part of my point, but then again, that wouldn't be helping your case, so you'll just ignore them. Unsurprising as usual.

Thats because I'm choosing a Chevy or a Ford, and thats a step down, silly.

It would seem hard, at least to me, to doubt the performance of the car overall given what they had benchmarked; The 350Z and Mustang GT. Now, having both cars moving into a new generation, and ultimately besting their predecessors by a long shot, the Hyundai could be a step behind, but that is nothing that a small bit of R&D can't fix in the last few minutes before full production hits the streets.

The simple fact, at least for me, is that no one who is looking at a G37 or a 335ci are really going to be considering a GenCoupe 3.8 by the end of the day. Perhaps they may go and look in curioisity, but based on my viewing of the Genesis Sedan (and what that may entail for the Coupe)... It just seems unlikely to have them matched up.

Should they? Most certainly. After all, the Hyundai should be a great performance alternative to the G37 at the very least. But, if we stick to the $30K price tag requirement, there are enormous amounts of genuinely excellent cars to be had right there in that neighborhood.

But, I'd be shopping down the street for a Mustang GT before I'd really be considering a Gen Coupe.

 

[Div is back]

Yeah, I'm a snob. That's why my entire driveway is full of nothing but German cars. Oh wait, no it isn't.

You attribute snob-ism to German car owners?

Dig, keep going at it.

There is a certain underestimation of the amount of "tuners" that decided to buy the 335i solely based on its tuning capabilities. Many people who bought a 335i were cross shopping the car with other turbo monsters such as the EVOX, STI 09, and high powered V6 such as the G37S and the new 370Z. The Genesis Coupe, unless proven otherwise, is a valid competitor to these car models and until we get track times, they will be considered as such when taking into account its numbers on paper.

 

[Danoff]

If I was looking at a BMW, I wouldn't be looking at a Hyundai, it's nothing to do with snobbery, it's to do with the type of car I want.

I'm looking at both right now. People will.