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Thats interesting they'd use Simbin sounds for a SMS game
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Give us better sounds - PLEASE !!
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Thats interesting they'd use Simbin sounds for a SMS game
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The only people saying the sounds would be patched in the day one update were members of the public on fora like this one. I never expected it myself, because I never thought this new synthesis would ever make it to the PS3 in the first place - glad to have been wrong about that. Kaz did say it wasn't going to be in the game at launch, though. If people bought it expecting differently, then the thing they should learn is maybe to research a bit first: caveat emptor and all that. Not that PD did anything expressly wrong, in my opinion.
Regarding recordings, it just depends on what you want. With a ground-up system, it'd still be very useful to have "proper" recordings, but you only need a few characteristic recordings and the clever boffin stuff takes over. You could even, theoretically, get very close without ever turning the engine over - but I can't see such effort being necessary for many cars.
Besides, if a car can't handle a dyno pull or two, in a properly equipped garage, then it can't handle being driven properly either. That may genuinely apply to a few cars in real life, but all the more reason to make digital copies of them. For cars that no longer exist, you can still make a lot of guesses and get it to sound convincing with no recorded material at all - for instance the VGT cars will have wholly fictional sounds, most likely, as that's how manufacturers start for any car these days (using proper simulations in many cases).
There are always substitutes, too. Honda was intelligent enough to build replicas of its '60s GP cars, these get a good thrashing every year, as they should. The Bentley Speed 8 used a modified R8 engine, so an R8 would probably cover it for most of us plebeians - practically any turbo flat plane V8 at a push. Any Chevy V8 (with the same firing order) could be made to sound like the Stingray racer, it's just getting the finishing touches right, such as the specific exhaust construction for the final colouration - frankly, that's Chevy's responsibility if they want their car to sound right, otherwise they will have to make do with some other facsimile.
Since they haven't been shy about using substitutes (however in appropriate) in the past, I expect that's what PD will do in the future, too.
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That's the problem and frustration for many people, far too little was finalized and announced far too late. Most people had pre-ordered before Kaz confirmed anything, he seems incapable of giving difinitive answers to questions. It's hard to get good research material when there's little to go on. For me, the way GT6 was marketed I thought it was going to be revolutionary rather than evolutionary. I suspect many others did with the amount of posts saying it's GT5.5.
Don't get me wrong, I like the game and would still have bought it. There's three area's I'd like to see vast improvement on very quickly (in no particular order): Sound, GPS course maker & online lobbies.
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Well in fairness the GT5.5 comments have been pretty consistently applied since GT6 was announced. But obviously there is a lot "missing", and that's an issue if things stay that way. The uncertainty of what features will make it into the game at launch has been there since E3, I think - certainly the sound and AI improvements were tentative at that time. In terms of research, you need look no further than the news posts here, or the GT website in a lot of cases.
Happily, the three things you mentioned are things that are purportedly on their way - well, I'm not sure about the online part, but we're expecting "match making" and "community" features at least.
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Haha, yeah from what I understand. Not surprising, though. Shift 2 had some pretty dynamic sounds, especially if you've got the audio hardware to harness the power, but the old FIA GT games SimBin used to make are and always will be my favorite racing games of all time. Combine them with ever growing mods (New cars, skins, tracks, graphics, sounds, handling, AI, etc.) and you've got an endless amount of fun. I have a 40GB folder with just GTR2 mods, haha.
This is a bit out of topic, but SimBin did release a teaser site for GTR3, but it looks like it's turning into the next Half-Life 3 with its unknown release date...
To me, this is how a racing game should sound: http://gtr3.com/
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- OdeFinn
Diablo GT2 has pretty good sounds, normal GT is not so angry sounded but not bad.
Reference (missing most of bass from exhaust, 'coz mic is not recording them well)
(incar is missing real sounds only on that video, there is a lot of bass what is not recorded on that video, sounds are on video far away from real what I can hear when playing)
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- Chippy569
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Oberhiem and CrazySwede, you guys know that I've done a number of interviews with various racing game audio teams right?
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- Utah
Just adding a couple more:
-Enzo: Wrong! Still sounds like the 458
-Veyron: still sounds like the M5 (wtf PD?)
-Diablo GT and Countach 25th: they share the same samples. All wrong. They either sound like the Cizeta, the Viper, a generic V8 or something weird that sounds like nothing that can be identified.
-Viper GTS (old one): Adding this one again since I'm waiting for it to have a proper sound since GT2. Has the same sound since GT2 in stock form, sounds like a V8with the sports, like something unrecognizable with the Semi Racing and like a generic racing V8 with the Racing Exhaust. PD should add the same sample as the stock SRT/10 and the same sound that all the other Vipers have with the Sports exhaust. It's not so hard to do.
Were do you people get this from? These cars are totally wrong. I don't know about the Huayra, but the stock exhaust is the same V10 sample (slightly changed) than the Aventador/Murcielago/Gallardo. Totally wrong in a V12. The Diablo sounds like a Viper with the "stock" Sports Exhaust, like a generic V8 with the Semi racing and like something unrecognizable with the racing exhaust. Same deal with the new Countach. I haven't tried the Murcielago, the Reventon and the Aventador, but I bet the first and the last one are still wrong as they were in GT5. The Reventon probably has the same samples than them.
The only sample that would fit the big Lambos is the one used in the Zonda C12/C12S/7.3. That's the only V12 supercar that sounds properly in the game.
I haven't heard the McLaren F1, but I bet it still sounds like the Cizeta. So again, it's wrong.
-Enzo: Wrong! Still sounds like the 458
-Veyron: still sounds like the M5 (wtf PD?)
-Diablo GT and Countach 25th: they share the same samples. All wrong. They either sound like the Cizeta, the Viper, a generic V8 or something weird that sounds like nothing that can be identified.
-Viper GTS (old one): Adding this one again since I'm waiting for it to have a proper sound since GT2. Has the same sound since GT2 in stock form, sounds like a V8with the sports, like something unrecognizable with the Semi Racing and like a generic racing V8 with the Racing Exhaust. PD should add the same sample as the stock SRT/10 and the same sound that all the other Vipers have with the Sports exhaust. It's not so hard to do.
Were do you people get this from? These cars are totally wrong. I don't know about the Huayra, but the stock exhaust is the same V10 sample (slightly changed) than the Aventador/Murcielago/Gallardo. Totally wrong in a V12. The Diablo sounds like a Viper with the "stock" Sports Exhaust, like a generic V8 with the Semi racing and like something unrecognizable with the racing exhaust. Same deal with the new Countach. I haven't tried the Murcielago, the Reventon and the Aventador, but I bet the first and the last one are still wrong as they were in GT5. The Reventon probably has the same samples than them.
The only sample that would fit the big Lambos is the one used in the Zonda C12/C12S/7.3. That's the only V12 supercar that sounds properly in the game.
I haven't heard the McLaren F1, but I bet it still sounds like the Cizeta. So again, it's wrong.
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Honestly, the only car in the game that sounds anywhere close to its real-life counter part is the 787B at idle. Come to think of it, some of the idles in the game aren't too bad. Anything with the throttle down sounds like junk. Saying that some of the sounds here and there works is absurd. No, the Sport Exhaust sample from the Pagani Huayra does not sound anything like an Aventador. It's all garbage.
PD has grown a habit of sweeping their shortcomings under the rug. Sure we have a great new suspension model, but the drive-train and clutch simulation is rubbish. Sure, we have gorgeous night and day cycles, but the sounds that occupy the very environment of the circuit is plagued by lawn mowers and vacuum cleaners. That being said, I still have to give them a lot of credit for making such an awesome racing title, despite its major shortcomings. GT5 was a bit flawed since launch, so having GT6 using that game as a basis to build upon brings some inevitable faults. GT6 is a re-fined GT5, in my eyes, so a lot of things that annoyed me in GT5 still annoy me in GT6, but a lot of things that bothered me before has been vastly improved. It's a win-lose situation, I suppose. I'm hoping (A fool's hope, nevertheless) that PD takes in consideration the expectations of consumers in relation to next-gen console games. Carrying over the flaws of GT5/GT6 would be ridiculous and un-excusable. Seeing as how sound development isn't their strongest trait, I'm not expecting sounds that rival games such as Forza Motorsport or Need For Speed, but something that allows me to close my eyes, hear the roar of a vehicle and being able to take a stab at what is orchestrating the beautiful melody that I'm hearing. If I'm revving a Camaro and I end up guessing Honda Civic, then you know the sound is way off.
PD has grown a habit of sweeping their shortcomings under the rug. Sure we have a great new suspension model, but the drive-train and clutch simulation is rubbish. Sure, we have gorgeous night and day cycles, but the sounds that occupy the very environment of the circuit is plagued by lawn mowers and vacuum cleaners. That being said, I still have to give them a lot of credit for making such an awesome racing title, despite its major shortcomings. GT5 was a bit flawed since launch, so having GT6 using that game as a basis to build upon brings some inevitable faults. GT6 is a re-fined GT5, in my eyes, so a lot of things that annoyed me in GT5 still annoy me in GT6, but a lot of things that bothered me before has been vastly improved. It's a win-lose situation, I suppose. I'm hoping (A fool's hope, nevertheless) that PD takes in consideration the expectations of consumers in relation to next-gen console games. Carrying over the flaws of GT5/GT6 would be ridiculous and un-excusable. Seeing as how sound development isn't their strongest trait, I'm not expecting sounds that rival games such as Forza Motorsport or Need For Speed, but something that allows me to close my eyes, hear the roar of a vehicle and being able to take a stab at what is orchestrating the beautiful melody that I'm hearing. If I'm revving a Camaro and I end up guessing Honda Civic, then you know the sound is way off.
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The Cizeta, the LFA, the Vipers (except the racing ones and the old GTS), and many V8 cars are of the very few that sound accurate. Other than those, PD messes up BIG TIME, and what hurts the most is that they do that with very significant cars.
I really don't care about the Vacuum Cleaners, as long as my V8 cars sound like V8 Vacuum cleaners, my V10's like V10's, my V12's like V12's, and so on... They don't have to be exact, but as long as you can identify the engine note, it's okay.
I really don't care about the Vacuum Cleaners, as long as my V8 cars sound like V8 Vacuum cleaners, my V10's like V10's, my V12's like V12's, and so on... They don't have to be exact, but as long as you can identify the engine note, it's okay.
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- sailworksman
- sailworksman
This question is about sound but not the cars. Does anyone lose the sound of bumping into cars and walls, let's say after the initial contact while in a race? My "contact" sound disappears until the next race. I'm offline at the moment.
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- Rash-182
This just happened to me..think it was on a Rome track in iB races.
Back on topic. One thing, that slightly worries me is that it took them 15 years to implement skidmarks and reverse lights (remember how much and for how long we all moaned about that). Now imagine how long will it take them to improve sound, a much more complicated thing to do..even worse when there are a bunch of amateurs in the sound team
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They have a different method.
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Its obviously not sufficient for the majority. Unless they release a patch/update that changes things dramatically. Most cars are repeated sounds, thats what bothers me.
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I love the game but the sounds are totally hurting in realism. I honestly think PD use a vacuum cleaner as the sound for the Mazda Demio Sport 11. I tried it for the Novice B FF cup and the car droves well but the sound is just rediculous. It's a new premium car and it sounds like a Dyson vacuum... Not good.
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- Chippy569
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genuinely curious, what's the evidence you have on this?
For what it's worth the highest-revving engines are the easiest to mask with a looping system in the upper RPM's because the change in pitch from 1000 to 2000 RPM is the same as 10,000 to 20,000. This is because pitch is logarithmically related to frequency. Or to put it another way, every doubling of frequency is the perception of an octave, where RPM and frequency are linearly related.
Your average loop-based sound can be pitch shifted a certain range before starting to sound wonky/fake/snythy/vacuumy, usually an octave is the upper limit for an engine sample. This means one sample can cover 10,000 to 20,000 relatively comfortably, as can one cover 8,000 to 4,000. In the case of being under-sampled this means very-high-revving cars mask the shortcomings of the looped system better than other cars with lower rev ranges, number of loops being equal.
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