GM Full Size Trucks In General - 2019 Debuts

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All it takes is a change to the hood to make you feel even bigger.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Or you're not use to driving a truck...considering they aren't all that much bigger than what they have been, and I drove a 2500 diesel for two years and a 1500 on and off during that time as well on all kinds of roads. Then I test drove the newer Rams and it didn't feel all that different. To be honest, maybe the chevy are slightly bigger but I don't see how they really could be. Maybe the change in body and field of vision is an issue with these trucks now more than ever?
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Maybe that was it. The windscreen seemed quite small in height (vertically), obviously the hood is also very long, and the interior design with the massive block-shaped centre console gave out a feeling of being in a lorry.

Slash
I'm surprised you say it's bouncy. How does it compare to a new Ram? I've been in those and it wasn't bouncy at all.
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I didn't get to drive the newer Rams yet. The F150s I drove though seemed to be a bit more settled. In the Silverado it felt a bit like driving on a trampoline.

Anyways, we got a brand new Sierra 2500 HD on our lot, I'll see if I have time to take it out for a spin tonight.:sly:
 
CarManiac 425
Maybe that was it. The windscreen seemed quite small in height (vertically), obviously the hood is also very long, and the interior design with the massive block-shaped centre console gave out a feeling of being in a lorry.



I didn't get to drive the newer Rams yet. The F150s I drove though seemed to be a bit more settled. In the Silverado it felt a bit like driving on a trampoline.

Anyways, we got a brand new Sierra 2500 HD on our lot, I'll see if I have time to take it out for a spin tonight.:sly:
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Well I don't know if the new chevy's use four link suspension like Dodge has for the past few years. That might make a difference and from the sounds of what you described it sounds like it doesn't have it like Dodge, but I could be wrong.
 
Got to drive these two mammoths tonight

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First the Sierra 2500HD; Once again interior quality is very good, high quality materials with some pleasant soft plastics and leather here and there, very good fit and finish. The one I drove had the 6.0L V8 engine, and it pulled quite well, much better then the Ford. The ride was quite appalling though, I guess I can't complain too much since these are work trucks even more so then the regular GMT's/F150, but it was very jittery and unsettled. Once again the massive hood gave the impression of being in a lorry, though I felt a bit more comfortable then in the regular Silverado, perhaps because it was much higher off the ground. Also the one I drove only had 4k miles on the clock, and it already made a loud squealing noise under braking.👎

Now the F250; It was actually slightly bigger then the GMC, but it somehow didn't feel so sitting behind the wheel. I can't quite put my finger on why, maybe its the driving position, or the fact the Ford has better visibility all around. Interior quality is definitely a notch below the GMT's. Lots of nasty hard plastics everywhere, and the design is very outdated by now. The ride wasn't much better, but it definitely smoothed out the bumps in the road better then the Sierra.

That's pretty much it I guess, trucks really aren't my specialty, and I could only take them out on short 10 minute drives on city roads, so don't be too harsh on me.:lol:

Gonna leave this picture of the Ford trying to swallow a Prius:lol:
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That's the one thing I'm not a fan of in the Ford SDs, the hard ribbed plastic everywhere (at least in any models above the XLT).
 
True, but you can't but a Ram or Tundra next to either of them and say the same. From the cab back, yeah, that's gonna be the case, but they can have some fun with the front clip.
 
For example, the new Tundra looks like a gangrenous tumor in the front; and the Ram actually looks like someone tried to style it.
 
Slash
^^^That.


Even old trucks look vaguely similar.
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Well, yes. Once trucks got integrated fenders, there was only so much you could do with the "truck" body style when they were still largely beholden to functional concerns before rounded sides and corners finally became fashionable (and cheap) to make in the end of the 1980s. Still, Ford canted the front end forward, GM implemented styling cure from their automobiles, Dodge... usually copied whatever Ford did but without putting any effort into it.
But there was a still a period of a good 15 years or so when not every truck was designed to be as over the top as possible. What I don't get is the huge powerdome hoods that raise up higher than the base of the windshield. Why every styling element, on the outside or the interior, needs to look like it is made to be put in a vehicle twice as big. Why every fender needs to have massive square flares which extend the sides of the truck out so far that they have smaller, separate flares to keep the bigger flares from getting scratched. Why the windows need to be shrunked when trucks already had problems seeing out of. I certainly don't get why the plastic trim 2WD V6 work truck versions need to sit higher up off the ground then the 4WD high trim model I'm driving alongside it from a couple of generations ago.






Even allowing what was said on the last page:
LMSCorvetteGT2
Or you're not use to driving a truck...considering they aren't all that much bigger than what they have been, and I drove a 2500 diesel for two years and a 1500 on and off during that time as well on all kinds of roads. Then I test drove the newer Rams and it didn't feel all that different. To be honest, maybe the chevy are slightly bigger but I don't see how they really could be. Maybe the change in body and field of vision is an issue with these trucks now more than ever?
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Which was... mostly accurate (GM models may not have gotten too much bigger in raw external dimensions since the GMT800 and the Dodge models have gotten a little smaller with the most recent design, but the F150 is massively larger than it was turn of the millenium), compare how the proportions are laid out:
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The actual truck may be the same height, but everything about it is shifted probably 2 inches higher than what was already considerably higher than the previous model. There's no reason for it, and I think it's going to come to a head for the people who actually use the trucks for work purposes. 10 years ago, so long as you didn't get an offroad package if you bought a truck it would sit not too much higher than a full size sedan; and wasn't too hard to drive. Now even the bench seat fleet models require you to lift things to the bottom of your rib cage to get anything into the bed.
 
How ironic is it that the Ram is now the truck with the most tasteful and understated styling?
 
Tornado
Which was... mostly accurate (GM models may not have gotten too much bigger in raw external dimensions since the GMT800 and the Dodge models have gotten a little smaller with the most recent design, but the F150 is massively larger than it was turn of the millenium), compare how the proportions are laid out

The actual truck may be the same height, but everything about it is shifted probably 2 inches higher than what was already considerably higher than the previous model. There's no reason for it, and I think it's going to come to a head for the people who actually use the trucks for work purposes. 10 years ago, so long as you didn't get an offroad package if you bought a truck it would sit not too much higher than a full size sedan; and wasn't too hard to drive. Now even the bench seat fleet models require you to lift things to the bottom of your rib cage to get anything into the bed.
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or not

2002 F150
4x4 Supercab 6ft
height 75.8"
load height 34.9"

2014 F150
4x4 Supercab 6ft
height 76.1"
load height 34.9"

2002 F150
4x4 Screw 5.5ft
Height 76.9"
load 35.0"

2014 F150
4x4 Screw 5.5ft
height 76.7"
load 34.8"


That Reaper hood/grill design looks like a bad ripoff of a 60's Pontiac.:boggled:
 
I like how you're trying to claim that because the F-150 hasn't gotten appreciably taller than it was two generations ago, I should overlook the fact that across the board (meaning every single cab/bed combination) it has gotten half a foot longer. Perhaps that is what I was referring to when I said "massively larger"?
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Or how you brought up the dimensions of Fords to refute a paragraph that was so blatantly specifically in response to the GM trucks that I even dug up and reposted the original pictures so the frame of reference would be apparent when I talked about them.


 
6" longer is massive? :eek: Ford redesigned its cab after it failed the IIHS crash test in 2000,the truck folded up like a beer can in the offset test.I think you will find the majority of that massive increase in length went into the A-pillar and increased windshield rake.

Here ya go,nice and low to the ground

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Maybe GM should throw in a pair of these with each 2014
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