Got £38,000?...Buy an Alfa 4C

[Scaff]

Yep all they are famous for is making an affordable FWD car that has that same old ugly nose on it. It's nice to hear they changing gears a little bit, though.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

In fact in this case its about as far from true as you can get.

 

[Dennisch]

Oh man, I can't wait to see one in the flesh. Was there a release date yet?

 

[Dan_]

Looks much better in that video. You get a sense of how compact that thing is.

 

[Conza]

Atleast with the lights on it still looks great, but, it remains to be seen if during the day it will still look like an arachnid... They should atleast explain it, everyone loved the lights the way they were, there must've been a reason (and it couldn't be cost).

@all@MisterWhiskers, I'm pretty sure the guy is trolling everyone, I mean, how dumb would you have to be, to seriously think Alfa Romeo wasn't famous until its front wheel drive cars?

Even if you didn't know, any muggins can go to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo and read the first line

"...the company has been involved in car racing since 1911, and has a reputation for building expensive sports cars.[3]" Yes, there's a citation, not that I can really believe anyone over 14 wouldn't know Alfa's history (even vaguely).

Yeah sure, the 146 really made Alfa the brand it is... 'RIIIIGHT'...

 

[MisterWhiskers]

Atleast with the lights on it still looks great, but, it remains to be seen if during the day it will still look like an arachnid... They should atleast explain it, everyone loved the lights the way they were, there must've been a reason (and it couldn't be cost).

@all@MisterWhiskers, I'm pretty sure the guy is trolling everyone, I mean, how dumb would you have to be, to seriously think Alfa Romeo wasn't famous until its front wheel drive cars?

Even if you didn't know, any muggins can go to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo and read the first line

"...the company has been involved in car racing since 1911, and has a reputation for building expensive sports cars.[3]" Yes, there's a citation, not that I can really believe anyone over 14 wouldn't know Alfa's history (even vaguely).

Yeah sure, the 146 really made Alfa the brand it is... 'RIIIIGHT'...

OK, first of all, I only troll on Call of Duty. Second of all, by the way you're typing, you seem to be a wee bit hyper. Third of all, I am entitled to my own opinion. And finally, anyone can change Wiki. Rarely, but it can happen.

Yes, there's a citation, not that I can really believe anyone over 14 wouldn't know Alfa's history (even vaguely).

I am 23 years old, if you are too lazy to check.

Who's the dumb one now?

 

[Conza]

First of all, to your last comment. The statement was a generalisation, the fact that you are 9 years older, further supports my opinion, that you do know Alfa Romeo's true history.

Furthermore, the citation, if you would care to examine, is in reference to a segment of a little known fact collecting body the 'Encyclopedia Britannica'.

Therefore, I reitterate, my opinion, that you are playing dumb, and are not actually dumb enough to believe Alfa Romeo's fame is derived from its front wheel drive car history.

Good day sir.

 

[JacoJa]

Although I think the headlights don't look as good as the concept, I still love the look of them.

I'd like to correct this post I made on page 4. Now that I've seen the production headlights closer, I think they look 🤬 terrible. They look aftermarket, and ruin the overall design of the car. Might be a good opportunity for non-OEM headlight companies to come up with more suitable designs. 👍 I'm sure there will be a demand for it.

 

[Scaff]

OK, first of all, I only troll on Call of Duty. Second of all, by the way you're typing, you seem to be a wee bit hyper. Third of all, I am entitled to my own opinion. And finally, anyone can change Wiki. Rarely, but it can happen.

You were wrong, have the good grace to acknowledge that you posted without full knowledge of the situation and in doing so made an error.

I can assure you that in the long run that will do you more good that simply throwing insults around.

I am 23 years old, if you are too lazy to check.

Who's the dumb one now?

First of all, to your last comment. The statement was a generalisation, the fact that you are 9 years older, further supports my opinion, that you do know Alfa Romeo's true history.

Furthermore, the citation, if you would care to examine, is in reference to a segment of a little known fact collecting body the 'Encyclopedia Britannica'.

Therefore, I reitterate, my opinion, that you are playing dumb, and are not actually dumb enough to believe Alfa Romeo's fame is derived from its front wheel drive car history.

Good day sir.

Both of you will stop this right now or you will find that you will have other things to do over Easter, as posting on GTP will not be one of them.

One more stupid bicker from either of you will see a three day temp ban headed your way.

 

[Nessy]

I really like the look of the 4C. I'm wondering what a race version would look like (one make series perhaps).

 

[psntomaz]

 

[sems4arsenal]

I want one so bad

 

[Rutager]

I think I just fell in love with this car.

And that video is the first time the new headlights don't seem as terrible to me. Maybe just the way the studio lights are hitting them. It's still not good, but tolerable.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Shoulda kept the other headlights.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Maybe they'll make it an option?

 

[psntomaz]

http://www.autoedizione.com/alfa-romeo-4c-will-be-available-with-other-headlights/

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

http://www.autoedizione.com/alfa-romeo-4c-will-be-available-with-other-headlights/

 

[Crash]

If that is true, I wonder how Alfa will manage these different headlights. Will they just simply be options? If so, will they be cost or no cost options? On the other hand, would they just change the headlights for the inevitable facelift?

 

[psntomaz]

What we seen were the Launch Edition 4cs meaning they have the lenseless headlights for weight savings.

 

[RocZX]

Brochure of the 4C leaked......

Here’s a summary of all the technical data;

Overall Length- 3989 mm

Overall Width- 1864 mm

Overall Width / door mirrors - 2090 mm (1864 mm without mirrors)

Overall Height- 1183 mm

Wheelbase- 2380 mm

Chassis - carbon fiber monocoque

Dry Weight (ISO 1176:1991 cod. Iso M01-4.1) - 895 kg

Number of Cylinders and Displacement - 4 cylinders, 1742 cc

Engine Mount Position - Mid

Engine Orientation - Transverse

Max power- 241/6000 rpm

Max torque- 350Nm/2100-3750 rpm

Front Brake Type / Discs Size- Ventilated drilled discs / 305×28 mm (4 pot)

Rear Brake Type / Discs Size- Ventilated drilled discs / 292×22 mm

Maximum deceleration during braking (g) - 1.25

Braking distance 100–0 km/h (m)- 36

Front Suspension Type - Double wishbone

Rear Suspension Type -McPherson

Acceleration 0-100 km/h- 4,5 sec

Top speed- 258 km/h

Maximum lateral acceleration (g-) 1.1

Drive Type- Rear Wheel Drive

Transmission - Alfa TCT (Dual Dry Clutch) 6 speed + reverse

Steering - mechanical rack and pinion (2,75 lock-to-lock)

Fuel Tank Capacity (liters) - 40

Fuel Consumption (l/100km) on Combined Cycle- 6,8

Fuel Consumption (l/100km) on Urban Cycle - 9,8

Fuel Consumption (l/100km) on Extra-Urban Cycle- 5,0

CO2 Emissions (g/km) - 157

EU Emissions Standard- E6

Efficiency class - G

Boot Capacity (dm3) - 110

Number of seats- 2

Auto edizione

 

[Dennisch]

Sjeez. It looks so good from the side. And those specs.

When they come up for sale, I need to go test drive it. Even if I can't afford it.

 

[homeforsummer]

That weight figure is pretty damn impressive. I know the thing is essentially a four-cylinder supercar and full of carbon fibre, and that's the dry weight, but it makes you wonder how exactly a Porsche Cayman or Lotus Evora can be a full third heavier.

Needs a more interesting colour palette though. Where's the Italian blue? Or a classy dark metallic green? Or tan for the leather seats like every Italian sports car since the dawn of time?

 

[Stotty]

That weight figure is pretty damn impressive. I know the thing is essentially a four-cylinder supercar and full of carbon fibre, and that's the dry weight, but it makes you wonder how exactly a Porsche Cayman or Lotus Evora can be a full third heavier.

I suspect the question is more to make a point/rhetorical, but as you say, the 895kg for the Alfa dry will swell significantly once you add fluids... a Caymen is 1,340kg, but that's kerb weight.

The steel monocoque of a Caymen will make up a huge amount of this, but the Caymen has a 6cyl engine and is also significantly bigger than the Alfa (and much more practical as a result).

The Alfa is pretty light, but a S2 Elise is only 900kg (kerb) and that doesn't use a Carbon tub.

 

[homeforsummer]

I suspect the question is more to make a point/rhetorical, but as you say, the 895kg for the Alfa dry will swell significantly once you add fluids... a Caymen is 1,340kg, but that's kerb weight.

You could add a hundred kilos of fluids to the Alfa and it'd still be roughly a third lighter than the Porsche though. With a 40-litre tank in the Alfa that's a maximum 40 kilos of fuel - you're probably talking another 20 kilos max for oil, coolant, transmission fluid, brake/clutch fluids.

In reality you could add fluids, a couple of average-weight passengers and their luggage and it'd still come in a fair chunk lighter than a Cayman with half a tank of fuel and nobody sitting in it...

The steel monocoque of a Caymen will make up a huge amount of this, but the Caymen has a 6cyl engine and is also significantly bigger than the Alfa (and much more practical as a result).

Fair point, though the difference is still food for thought.

Anyway, this boot looks big enough for the tailored luggage of me and a lady friend, so I'm sure I'd manage

The Alfa is pretty light, but a S2 Elise is only 900kg (kerb) and that doesn't use a Carbon tub.

A car which is even smaller and despite apparently having a similar luggage capacity, probably not quite as practical either. Nor does it have turbocharger plumbing, nor fully-furnished innards. Really, the current Elise is pretty porky considering how little of it there actually is - you have to go back to early S1s with even less interior and trimmings before it becomes a truly light car for its size.

Carbon tub or not, the Alfa is ridiculously light for its type.

 

[RDF97]

I suspect the question is more to make a point/rhetorical, but as you say, the 895kg for the Alfa dry will swell significantly once you add fluids... a Caymen is 1,340kg, but that's kerb weight.

The steel monocoque of a Caymen will make up a huge amount of this, but the Caymen has a 6cyl engine and is also significantly bigger than the Alfa (and much more practical as a result).

The Alfa is pretty light, but a S2 Elise is only 900kg (kerb) and that doesn't use a Carbon tub.

However, the Alfa is definetley prettier, sexier, cooler and it may have a smaller engine but its more than a second faster from 0-60 tha the Cayman.

 

[Sage Ages]

I kinda like the production headlights.

 

[Roger the Horse]

Is it just me who finds the 4C way too busy to look at? And although I thought the 8C was good looking at first, I'm finding it less and less attractive as time goes on. Honestly, I'd say the best looking Alfa Romeo's of recent times have been the 159 and the Brera, both of which still suffered from the odd asymmetrical number plate syndrome that Alfa Romeo seem to have, although otherwise they're great looking cars.

 

[homeforsummer]

Is it just me who finds the 4C way too busy to look at?

Nope. But I can sort of live with it in certain colours, and if the different headlight options above are true, a set of proper covered-over lights would definitely help.

For me the last truly pretty moderns Alfa were the GT and facelifted 147, though the 159 was nice too.

 

[Cano]

Alfa's mistake is trying to force the face of the 8C into everything. The Mytos or whatever the heck that Golf-thing is called is a freaking joke.

 

[homeforsummer]

Mito. That one's more Fiesta-sized really (it's based on the Punto). The Giulietta is a Golf rival.

Though I agree, that front end doesn't really work on many cars. I'm not even sure it totally worked on the 8C truth be told.

The Mito drives nicely though. Not as nice as a 147, but the Cloverleaf is still a lot of fun and the Twinair has a bit of character to it. Pick the right colour too (like black) and the effects of the grille are minimised.

 

[Cano]

I do think the 8C pulled that nose off brilliantly, but that's IT. I don't like it even in the C4, let alone a hatch or two. Alfa must have pushed the Brera-style front end harder. That thing looked awesome.