Gran Turismo 6 coming to PS3

[shadynader]

I'm only slightly hyped.

I was a passenger on the GT5 hype train that ended up crashing HARD into a brick wall. It was a terrible day and we lost many good men.

I was on it too, just sitting in the realist carriage, we survived.

Me saying derailment was a subtle hint to what I think is going to unfold in the next few pages......

 

[Scaff]

I was on it too, just sitting in the realist carriage, we survived.

Me saying derailment was a subtle hint to what I think is going to unfold in the next few pages......

Not from me, I'm of to sleep.

 

[M3Alex]

I don't know if it was already posted but

Aston Martin Vanquish 2013

 

[Tornado]

But Scaff, I like my Camaro-esque Porsches!

D:

 

[dr_slump]

Tuned isn't stock.

Oh I wouldn't see this that close, maybe PD messed with the stock settings?
It's not a big deal if you only add a FC suspension and leave the rest stock.

 

[AMPMROCKETFANN]

I can't find anything but the GTR Concept 01 from GT4 that looks remotely close to the white car in the video. It seems like some kind of mutation of said car lol.

As wonky as it looks, I think the white car is either this. Or a custom based on it

 

[dr_slump]

Or a R36 concept.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I'm only slightly hyped.

I was a passenger on the GT5 hype train that ended up crashing HARD into a brick wall. It was a terrible day and we lost many good men. I don't want to see it happen again. *sniffles*

I am most excited for new manufacturers and features. If those are addressed on Wednesday, then I'd be very satisfied.

What are you guys hoping to see?

Tell me about it...while I'm glad to hear we may be getting news about GT6 next Wednesday, I'm not letting myself get excited at all. I'm taking all news on features, content, etc. with a grain of salt until the game is released to see if was worth all of the inevitable hype.

Only thing I'm interested in knowing about right now is which console the game is going to be on. The speculation about that is making my head spin.

 

[Pit Crew]

I've tried to narrow my expectations down to just hearing about 2013 GTAcademy. A seemingly nice safe place amidst the Storm of Hype Anything else will be a pleasant surprise.

Maybe someone will figure out the name of the White car in the video by then.

 

[Ramanujan]

Maybe this has something to do with it:

It was a design project from a student about a nissan with removable body panels wich would than become a sort of ktm x-bow.

The white car looks to have some misproportioned gt-r parts sticked to it.

More pics:
http://kereta.info/nissan-rt-x-concept-study-for-the-track-day-fanatics/

Also the white back looks like it is opened up.
The wheelarches are way to much outside and it looks like you can close the two parts together making the black lines dissapear. This way the wheels would line up with the bodywork at the back.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Aston Martin Vanquish 2013

https://www.gtplanet.net/library/gran-turismo-1/#car_list

Aston Martin, Chevrolet and Dodge and TVR were the only non-JDM manufacturers that appeared in GT1. Not surprisingly, they have been present ever since. That's why I like the Viper, Corvette and Vanquish speculation. Funny how we've seen the C7 DLC, V12 Vantage DLC, but no Viper yet.....HMMM? Also, Silverstone is a British track...so maybe we'll see a British (Vanquish) supercar?

Then again, we're dealing with the GT Academy and Nissan. And Nissan has also been around since day one. And damnit, it's PD. PD, guys.

 

[PAPPACLART]

It's exciting that KTM will have a presence at the celebration. Here is hoping that we see the X-Bow in Gran Turismo 6. I was always hoping for more cars from obscure brands and also hope to see some more KIT car style cars.

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

Yes you may. Come join the tent .

Got room for one more?

Guys, I think I've found what the car under the cover might be.

I suggested the 370Z replacement last night in post 2450. That picture from Jonjwlee above is a fantastic find. We may have cracked it!

Great find Jonjwlee.

Yep great job Joni! When you look at the blue tarp closely, the lines are similar to the Z35 390Z or 400ZX from the concept work. Especially from the front of the car and the side.

I want a basic 911 of the early-mid 70s, normally aspirated and basic. I know RUF made the 3.2 litre SCR which was non-turbo before the BTR and CTR came along, so I'd settle for that. It did have a big turbo-alike wing though iirc so doesn't fit in with my "basic" 911 wish.

I'm going to look up SCR now. Thanks for the info. 👍

 

[Snaeper]

https://www.gtplanet.net/library/gran-turismo-1/#car_list

Aston Martin, Chevrolet and Dodge were the only non-JDM manufacturers that appeared in GT1. Not surprisingly, they have been present ever since.

... and TVR.

 

[GTPorsche]

That white car doesn't look close to what anyone has guessed yet. I don't even know what it is.

But the 2013 Vantage doesn't even match the lines of the covered car. The window line is all wrong.

 

[doblocruiser]

For the covercar I would go with the Viper, but the white one, have no idea. For me here it is the same as for a few others, after the GT5 head-on-crash I am very carefull with things to expect. This time it needs a lot more to convince me....

 

[dodi280]

Who find this car? Can it be?

 

[Nismo34]

Who find this car? Can it be?

Might be on to something here... For what looks to be an artists impression, it looks to fit fairly well...

 

[Scaff]

Oh I wouldn't see this that close, maybe PD messed with the stock settings?

On all the RR cars?

I'm not sure why people have such a problem accepting that the tyre model in GT needs an overall, its the root of a lot of the physics issues, particularly those at low speed, cars with extreme weight distribution and cars with large tyre width differences front a rear.

It's not a big deal if you only add a FC suspension and leave the rest stock.

I've not noticed FC suspension making enough of a difference to get it right and that raises the question of why I should have to do that?

I would much rather see PD have addressed the issues in GT6 (and before anyone says it - no we don't need it on the PS4 for that to happen).

 

[dr_slump]

On all the RR cars?

I'm not sure why people have such a problem accepting that the tyre model in GT needs an overall,

Saying to me, the guy who opened the Realistic Tyre Model thread.

But it's alright, I see your point.

 

[Scaff]

Saying to me, the guy who opened the Realistic Tyre Model thread.

But it's alright, I see your point.

Which is a great thread and one yo know I have contributed to, which is why it surprised me you seemed so willing to accept what to me is an issue that can and should be fixed by PD (regardless of GT6 being on the PS3 or PS4).

That said I don't recall if I mentioned tyre width issues in that thread, so another post in it by me may be incoming and it would allow us to find a home for this discussion.

Yep - I did, just not specific to RR alone.

 

[sinbad]

Saying to me, the guy who opened the Realistic Tyre Model thread.

But it's alright, I see your point.

I see his point too, but I don't really know why you would only pick on the ruf, lots of cars in gt5 are like caricatures of themselves. Ff cars understeer, and unless you put worse tyres on the back in stupid aero adjustments, that's ALL they do.
Elise is twitchy lightweight mr, so they give it that odd braking instability.

Too many cars are aimed at pleasing drifters too. Gt5 physics as a whole are too focused on that imo. Not enough attention paid to weight transfer, just spin rear wheels go sideways lots of smoke.

 

[Scaff]

I see his point too, but I don't really know why you would only pick on the ruf, lots of cars in gt5 are like caricatures of themselves. Ff cars understeer, and unless you put worse tyres on the back in stupid aero adjustments, that's ALL they do.

Quite simple, the conversation turned to the chance of Porsche being in GT6, with many people mentioning what models they would like, and I mentioned that if that did happen I would like to see PD get the tyre model right so they behave as they should. A discussion which is now better suited to the thread I linked to above.

 

[jimipitbull]

I see his point too, but I don't really know why you would only pick on the ruf, lots of cars in gt5 are like caricatures of themselves. Ff cars understeer, and unless you put worse tyres on the back in stupid aero adjustments, that's ALL they do.
Elise is twitchy lightweight mr, so they give it that odd braking instability.

Too many cars are aimed at pleasing drifters too. Gt5 physics as a whole are too focused on that imo. Not enough attention paid to weight transfer, just spin rear wheels go sideways lots of smoke.

Do you really think they could simulate weight transfer correctly without g forces?

 

[Scaff]

Do you really think they could simulate weight transfer correctly without g forces?

Yes, given that's what every sim on the market does right now. GT is no exception, they try to model weight transfer, they simply don't get it quite right (and specifically its an issue with load transfer, the suspension model and the tyre model rather that just one thing).

Oh and they have g-forces, lat-g and long-g is modeled for every tyre, its just that PD use a simple grip increase factor as you move from compound to compound (part of the tyre model issue).

 

[Trux]

Thread has been derailed by tyre talk.

 

[dr_slump]

Which is a great thread and one yo know I have contributed to, which is why it surprised me you seemed so willing to accept what to me is an issue that can and should be fixed by PD (regardless of GT6 being on the PS3 or PS4).

That said I don't recall if I mentioned tyre width issues in that thread, so another post in it by me may be incoming and it would allow us to find a home for this discussion.

Yep - I did, just not specific to RR alone.

Oh I must've missed that. Will add it to the OP.


And now to the CTR: I agree with you that the usage of wider rear tyres should lead into a more understeering behaviour. Modern Porsches (last 10 - 15 years) such as the 911 Turbo, 911 Carrera 4S, GT2, GT3, come with 225 - 285, 225 - 295, 235 - 315, 235 - 305, 235 - 325, 245 - 305, 245 - 325, etc tyre dimension.
As you can see the rear tyres are clearly wider.

But now let's see how big the Yellowbirds tyres are: 225 - 255

This tyre combination is clearly less unbalanced than what all modern Porsches use. I've never driven the Yellowbird, and I'm quite sure that, correct me if I'm wrong, you haven't done this either. I simply don't believe that the Yellowbird suffers from the same tyre dimension related issue than the modern Porsches, which you are, as I understand it, refering to.

Also, something that makes me even more believe my theory, is the circumstance that I never heard of an noteworthy understeering performance of the real CTR. On the other hand, I've seen tons of reports regarding the Porsche understeer "problem".
I might be terribly wrong in this case, but I want to be disproven first before I change my opinion.



EDIT: An interesting addition may be that Yellowbird is not equal Yellowbird. Certain Yellowbirds used the small/tight 911 base, whereas others were built on a wider 911 Turbo base.

EDIT the second:
Here's the promised add:

Correct Tyre Dimensions

Seems as PD never took different tyre dimensions between front and rear axle into account. They most likely didn't use tyre data at all and simply used some ultimative overall grip level numbers.

PD needs to observe real tyre dimensions for all cars in GT. It's the key element for a decent, really tyre based dynamic physics model. An absolute must for advanced physics.

EDIT the third (already):
If you look at a less extreme RUF model, the RGT, you'll see that not all RR cars oversteer that badly. Especially the non RUF RR cars. Far away from being perfect of course, don't want to argue about that.

 

[Scaff]

Oh I must've missed that. Will add it to the OP.


And now to the CTR: I agree with you that the usage of wider rear tyres should lead into a more understeering behaviour. Modern Porsches (last 10 - 15 years) such as the 911 Turbo, 911 Carrera 4S, GT2, GT3, come with 225 - 285, 225 - 295, 235 - 315, 235 - 305, 235 - 325, 245 - 305, 245 - 325, etc tyre dimension.
As you can see the rear tyres are clearly wider.

But now let's see how big the Yellowbirds tyres are: 225 - 255

This tyre combination is clearly less unbalanced than what all modern Porsches use. I've never driven the Yellowbird, and I'm quite sure that, correct me if I'm wrong, you haven't done this either. I simply don't believe that the Yellowbird suffers from the same tyre dimension related issue than the modern Porsches, which you are, as I understand it, refering to.

Also, something that makes me even more believe my theory, is the circumstance that I never heard of an noteworthy understeering performance of the real CTR. On the other hand, I've seen tons of reports regarding the Porsche understeer "problem".
I might be terribly wrong in this case, but I want to be disproven first before I change my opinion.



EDIT: An interesting addition may be that Yellowbird is not equal Yellowbird. Certain Yellowbirds used the small/tight 911 base, whereas others were built on a wider 911 Turbo base.

The one PD modeled for GT5 (acording to the specs they put in the game) runs 215/255's, which given that a yellowbird will have a static weight distribution of around 35/65 is still giving the majorityu of the load to the rear. The fronts will have under 30% of the load under acceleration and should be what goes first.

I've just done a quick set of tests with the Yellowbird (both with and without FC suspension) and the front tyres, on a slow and steady throttle increase around constant radius corners, never loose grip first. A rapid application of throttle around a tight corner is one things (but that's not what I'm talking about) but this is steady and gradual throttle application and that highlights an issue that is inherent with GT (and it also applies to a lot of other RR's as well).

You are quite right I've never driven a Yellowbird, but I do have a fair amount of time in a wide range of RR's from 911's (of various vintages and specs) to Fiat 500's, Beatles and an Alpine GTA V6. All of them understeer under constant throttle application.

 

[dr_slump]

The one PD modeled for GT5 (acording to the specs they put in the game) runs 215/255's, which given that a yellowbird will have a static weight distribution of around 35/65 is still giving the majorityu of the load to the rear. The fronts will have under 30% of the load under acceleration and should be what goes first.

I've just done a quick set of tests with the Yellowbird (both with and without FC suspension) and the front tyres, on a slow and steady throttle increase around constant radius corners, never loose grip first. A rapid application of throttle around a tight corner is one things (but that's not what I'm talking about) but this is steady and gradual throttle application and that highlights an issue that is inherent with GT (and it also applies to a lot of other RR's as well).

You are quite right I've never driven a Yellowbird, but I do have a fair amount of time in a wide range of RR's from 911's (of various vintages and specs) to Fiat 500's, Beatles and an Alpine GTA V6. All of them understeer under constant throttle application.

I see...

Ok, I'll test a brand new 0 mile stock YB in a few seconds.
I'll give you a proper reply afterwards...


super fast EDIT: What do you think about the RGT? I'm wondering.


EDIT: Yeah the stock YB is screwed!
Damn weight transfer on the rear axle and damn soft rear! That's why you can easily "fix" this with a tune, but I know, the car should behave like that in stock form.

I'm confused about the 215 - 255 dimension though, my source must be wrong then. I really thought it's 225 - 255, sorry about that.

 

[Scaff]

I see...

Ok, I'll test a brand new 0 mile stock YB in a few seconds.
I'll give you a proper reply afterwards...


super fast EDIT: What do you think about the RGT? I'm wondering.

That will have to wait until tonight (and I suggest we move this to your tyre thread).