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Anyone else had the thought of the only really accurate test we can do regarding the physics and suspension will be trying to emulate an Elk test with the Mercedes A Class, If it starts skiing then the physics work 
Gran Turismo 6 general Physics Discussion(as well as video)
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How Gran Turismo 6's handling changes everything
Link: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-04-gran-turismo-6-preview
Link: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-04-gran-turismo-6-preview
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Looking at comparison videos, I've noticed that GT5 doesn't even have suspension. I'm glad they added good suspension, finally. And the roll and the new tire model. It's amazing. I love how the car gradually tilts forward when braking, according to speed. This has totally affected corner steering. However, when turning left or right, the way car tilts seems like it's there just to make it look realistic. I did a test; at 5mph, the instant you turn, the car will suddenly lean to the side, like it would at a faster speed. That's seriously unrealistic, and either fix it or remove the new suspension altogether.
Overall, I think the new physics are superior, but needs serious improvement.
Overall, I think the new physics are superior, but needs serious improvement.
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"But the secret that driving sim fans know, which isn't necessarily apparent to those whose blood doesn't run thick with gasoline, is that if the physics are good enough it's an irrelevance. "
Which is probably why GT5's A-Spec mode is an "irrelevance". Terrible A.I. = less entertaining offline mode.
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I can feel the suspension. The rest is hyperbole. I think one problem with reviews is that no one really wants to review things properly. If something is remotely realistic it's praised as being near perfect. It's been this way as long as I can remember. It's hard to keep a straight face when recalling bits from GT4 reviews.
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It's mentioned in my sig, every post will count then
I haven't done anything wrong again right .. like making statements that sounds like being elitists or looking down on ABS user ... or someone's just don't like the way I play and why is it a problem when no ABS is written and when anyone said they use ABS 1 is not 
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Yikes. Maybe I shouldn't have posted that link after all, even though its from 1 day ago. :l
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To an extent, yes. You can still practice on a circuit in the last couple of GT games for experience. Can you say the same for FM4's Green Hell? Just an example. Oh yeah, even though it's more of a simulator than GT5 physics-wise (from what I've heard)?
Ever heard of evolution? Wasn't GT2 one of the most realistic looking games during those times? Do most road/race cars from half a century ago pose any competition to cars nowadays?
The reason for chastising those comments made by reviewers who are like the ones you're referring to is pathetic.
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It's not an attack against you or GT. At least what they say can apply to the suspension model. I still feel that the real GT6 tire model has yet to be shown if Yokohama really was involved in any non trivial way.
The thing is, testing speaks louder than (cheap) reviews.
GT4 is good for memorizing tracks yes, just don't try to practice driving outside of very basic things like outside-inside-outside. A good sim will teach you things you can apply everywhere.
This has nothing to do with evolution.
Evolution would look like this:
GT4 review:
flaw 1
flaw 2
flaw 3
GT5 review:
flaw 1
flaw 2
GT6 review:
flaw 1
What the reviews say:
GT4/5/6:
Perfect and 100% realistic*
*until we review the next game
Simulators have an easy to compare to and completely constant benchmark, reality. That benchmark is obviously being ignored in the reviews.
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I've been playing FM4 for a year now, level 133 and 60 hours total driven on track (good thing we have a "my stats" section eh).
Anything to add still? Which level are you at?
Than perhaps you should turn off the babys first racer assists. Claim tank slappers don't happen in Forza is 100% false. The only person who would claim it is someone who has never played it.
Level 208 by the way. Expert difficulty since day 1. Can set top 100 leaderboard times. High powered RWD is my main car type.
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I appreciate you sharing the link, TokoTurismo, and I apologize if we came across as harsh on your find. 
It's just that after seeing more-accurate sims get trampled into unsung obscurity by ignorant videogame journalists, it's kind of annoying to see GT get a free pass with every new iteration.
"No, really guys, this time it's the best it could possibly be!"
It's not like we should have expected anything less. That's on us.
It's just that after seeing more-accurate sims get trampled into unsung obscurity by ignorant videogame journalists, it's kind of annoying to see GT get a free pass with every new iteration."No, really guys, this time it's the best it could possibly be!"
It's not like we should have expected anything less. That's on us.
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Can you say the same of GT5s Laguna Seca (Hint: No, you can't).
I find it funny how one track that less than 1% of people who have ever played GT5 will actually drive around (let alone at any sort of respectable speed) is apparently all that is needed to confirm it's simulation perfection.
GT4 must have been such a perfect simulator. Oh, wait...
GT5 must have been such a perfect simulator. Oh, wait again...
GT6 must totally be perfect now. Until GT7...
What is going to be said of FM5 where every real world track is laser scanned and accurate to within 6mm?
I find it funny though, GT6 is closer to FM4 now than anything else really but apparently it's a totally massive huge step up from GT5 but that was apparently better than FM4.
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That's not my point. My point is that these reviews and previews that go around praising the physics as practically perfect based on completely arbitrary criteria are just setting themselves up for mocking; even moreso when they later latch on to common complaints about that come up almost immediately as if that's how they felt all along.
At that point, it's little different from the countless previews that took one look at Gran Turismo 2000 after playing around with GT2 preview builds for months:
And said without any trace of irony "Is it really possible for games to look any better than this?" even though GT2000 was barely much more than GT2 running at higher resolution and 60fps framerate.
Then did the same with GT3 in response to GT2000.
Then did the same with GT4 in response to GT3.
Then GT:HD in response to GT4.
And so on and so forth. Rinse, wash, repeat.
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Human creations evolved It's the same for everything since the days men invented the wheel. In the old days, playing DOS Nascar racing game was the best sim you can get
It's the same for everything since the days men invented the wheel. In the old days, playing DOS Nascar racing game was the best sim you can get 
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Seems like GT5's suspension model was a step backwards,
Personally I love the changes they've made for GT6, just taking a car onto a track is actually fun to me again.
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Easy there, Starsky. About all of what you said. I didn't mean to make it come across as a GT vs FM thing.
Yup. 👍 That's where I was getting at. It's easy to look back on things and say that they were of lesser quality and then be snarky about it. "HD" tv's in the early '00s were great, but nowwwww, ehhhhhh...Human creations evolved
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I appreciate you sharing the link, TokoTurismo, and I apologize if we came across as harsh on your find.
"No, really guys, this time it's the best it could possibly be!"
It's not like we should have expected anything less. That's on us.
Thanks Wolfe, it was great finding that link.
At least I got the discussion going further now, haha. 
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In a previous thread, I posted a link to a video comparing laguna seca in iRacing, GT5 and Forza4 (I'm not going to look for it now). The track in GT5 was almost exactly the same as iRacing's. The green grass stood out like a sore thumb but the track itself is pretty darn good.
Considering this thread is about physics, some of us have been picking at Gran Turismo's faults in that area for a long time.
Wow, what a time warp.
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Anybody else very excited for that new Hardcore mode that was announced?
What hardcore mode???
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