Gran Turismo 7 Confirmed to also launch on PlayStation 4, is a cross-gen title

[05XR8]

Sure, but that doesn’t mean that everyone who wants one is able to buy it.

Exactly.

It took about 100 million(?) Playstations and "only" 10 million PS owners bought any one GT game. So, with only 10 million PS5s, how many are actually going to buy GT7? Certainly not 8-10 miiillion. I mean, if we're going by GT franchise history.

155 million PS2s sold and only 15 million GT2s were sold. SO with only 10 million PS5s sold, how many people are going to buy GT7 on PS5 to outsell PS4? PS4 have 115 million units sold. 8 million GTSports were sold. Of course I don't know, but I'd guess not even half that number of people(4million) will be buying GT7 on PS5. That would be amazing if that many people did buy GT7, but again, I can't see it realistically happening.

 

[Samus]

Exactly.

It took about 100 million(?) Playstations and "only" 10 million PS owners bought any one GT game. So, with only 10 million PS5s, how many are actually going to buy GT7? Certainly not 8-10 miiillion. I mean, if we're going by GT franchise history.

155 million PS2s sold and only 15 million GT2s were sold. SO with only 10 million PS5s sold, how many people are going to buy GT7 on PS5 to outsell PS4? PS4 have 115 million units sold. 8 million GTSports were sold. Of course I don't know, but I'd guess not even half that number of people(4million) will be buying GT7 on PS5. That would be amazing if that many people did buy GT7, but again, I can't see it realistically happening.

You're forgetting this won't be out most likely until holiday 2022, at which point there will be 25-30m PS5s. Plus you also have to remember that for everyone who has bought a PS5 if they had a PS4, they now won't be buying games for the PS4. So the PS4 playerbase isn't really 115m.

PS5 version is also going to be the one with legs as more and more people buy PS5 and leave their PS4s behind.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Patience is the key.

This is true. Quite happy to wait it out until the PC version hits.

 

[05XR8]

You're forgetting this won't be out most likely until holiday 2022, at which point there will be 25-30m PS5s. Plus you also have to remember that for everyone who has bought a PS5 if they had a PS4, they now won't be buying games for the PS4. So the PS4 playerbase isn't really 115m.

PS5 version is also going to be the one with legs as more and more people buy PS5 and leave their PS4s behind.

I wasn't forgetting. When I say "I can't see it", let's use the current 8 million that bought GTS. Some are saying the PS5 is the fastest selling. Even if there are 25-30 million PS5s by next year, there still aren't guaranteed 8 million people will be buying GT7 on PS5. It's not like the other GT games released on two consoles(if this is to happen). This would be new territory for the franchise.
It's why I did mention the ramping up of PS5 production will have a role in sales. Will GT7 on PS5 outsell a GT7 on PS4? Maybe. As I mentioned in a previous post. If GT7 can play on both systems, we'd probably see a stalemate in GT7 sales(unless, what was pointed out about locked out features for PS4 users). People that have either system, will buy the game for that system. Some might just buy the game for PS4 and wait until PS5's are readily available. Would that pad GT7 PS5 sales numbers?

Of course, I agree over the life of PS5, a GT7-PS5 would outsell a possible GT7-PS4 sales.
I'm just saying the rate of PS5 sales doesn't equal the amount of GT7 sales.
Personally, hopefully, I'll defintely leave my PS4 behind, if I have a PS5 by the time GT7 comes out.

 

[Nielsen]

There wasn't really any "earlier ps4 days" of GTS development. GTS development spanned almost the entire generation and came out near the end of the PS4 console gen; Kaz even stated that since they started late it gave them time to research the PS4 hardware and push it as much as they can. The PS4 was very easy to develop for compared to the PS3, meaning it was easier to push its limits and get the most out of it quicker. People thinking the PS4 is going to magically crank out dynamic time progression with dynamic weather and notably improved simulations at 60fps are in for a disappointment.

I never said the PS4 can do this at 60 FPS, but it can do it. Was dynamic weather ever confirmed or even hinted at fot GT7?

GTSport has gotten extremely boring with its static tracks, basic rain physics that’s still just a friction slider with no standing water or wet/dry lines, poor damage system, poor AI that the faulty penalty system is designed around. More cars and tracks added to that isn’t going to make it more interesting or fun when the PS5 hardware jump has a lot more potential. We’re talking about a AAA game that releases 2 years after the PS5 releases, a console that’s already breaking sales records and outselling its predecessor in the same timespan. Sony isn’t having “difficult” times here.

Not being able to satisfy PS5 demand for month after month is a difficulty for Sony.

 

[Samus]

Some are saying the PS5 is the fastest selling. Even if there are 25-30 million PS5s by next year, there still aren't guaranteed 8 million people will be buying GT7 on PS5.

Well no, but I don't think anyone was suggesting it would sell those numbers. Just that whatever numbers it does do in say the first 6 months, would be more than PS4 in the same timeframe. As others have said, it's already been true of many other games. Remember as well the early adopters are always the most hardcore gamers, with or without a shortage availability. Combine that with less games available and attach rates are far higher than later in the console life with millions of casual gamers. So I think GT7 absolutely could easily do 7+ from the first 25-30m sales on PS5. PS4 probably wouldn't be that far behind, maybe 3-4m.

Depends a lot on how good the game is though of course, but I think a good return to a full numbered GT game could move the sales figures back towards 15m total.

 

[Famine]

155 million PS2s sold and only 15 million GT2s were sold.

To be fair, people were buying GT3 at that point, given that GT2 was a PS1 game


GT6 launched to the largest number of consoles in the history of GT games, and absolutely tanked - at least in GT terms. In fact launching to a larger customer base seems to have a negative effect on lifetime game sales for GT games. Here, have a table:

Game	Console	Consoles at Game Launch	Final Game Sales
Gran Turismo	PlayStation	29.8 million	10.8 million
Gran Turismo 2	PlayStation	70.0 million	9.4 million
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec	PlayStation 2	28.7 million	14.9 million
Gran Turismo 4	PlayStation 2	84.9 million	11.8 million
Gran Turismo 5	PlayStation 3	41.8 million	11.9 million
Gran Turismo 6	PlayStation 3	80.0 million	5.2 million
Gran Turismo Sport	PlayStation 4	67.5 million	>8 million

That all rather looks like the ~22m PS5s around at GT7's launch would be a better bet than 135m consoles across PS4 and PS5 - though of course if it does launch as a cross-gen game, it will be technically the first to do so (though PS2s could play GT1-4, and some PS3s could play GT1-6).

 

[Samus]

To be fair, people were buying GT3 at that point, given that GT2 was a PS1 game


GT6 launched to the largest number of consoles in the history of GT games, and absolutely tanked - at least in GT terms. In fact launching to a larger customer base seems to have a negative effect on lifetime game sales for GT games. Here, have a table:

Game	Console	Consoles at Game Launch	Final Game Sales
Gran Turismo	PlayStation	29.8 million	10.8 million
Gran Turismo 2	PlayStation	70.0 million	9.4 million
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec	PlayStation 2	28.7 million	14.9 million
Gran Turismo 4	PlayStation 2	84.9 million	11.8 million
Gran Turismo 5	PlayStation 3	41.8 million	11.9 million
Gran Turismo 6	PlayStation 3	80.0 million	5.2 million
Gran Turismo Sport	PlayStation 4	67.5 million	>8 million

That all rather looks like the ~22m PS5s around at GT7's launch would be a better bet than 135m consoles across PS4 and PS5 - though of course if it does launch as a cross-gen game, it will be technically the first to do so (though PS2s could play GT1-4, and some PS3s could play GT1-6).

Yeah as I say it's most likely because the more consoles are sold over time, the more are sold to the more casual gamer who isn't going to buy a library of 75 games whereas the closer they are to release, the more likely they are to snap everything up. So you might gain 40m consoles in the last three years of a console life but they might have only bought them to play FIFA and COD, or for little Jimmy to play Spyro and Crash. Plus in the case of GT6 a large chunk of that number had probably already moved to PS4, or were planning to soon and probably didn't see much point buying PS3 games that late in it's cycle. They already had GT5 or just weren't interested at all.

That's my theory anyway.

 

[Dave A]

Exactly.

It took about 100 million(?) Playstations and "only" 10 million PS owners bought any one GT game. So, with only 10 million PS5s, how many are actually going to buy GT7? Certainly not 8-10 miiillion. I mean, if we're going by GT franchise history.

155 million PS2s sold and only 15 million GT2s were sold. SO with only 10 million PS5s sold, how many people are going to buy GT7 on PS5 to outsell PS4? PS4 have 115 million units sold. 8 million GTSports were sold. Of course I don't know, but I'd guess not even half that number of people(4million) will be buying GT7 on PS5. That would be amazing if that many people did buy GT7, but again, I can't see it realistically happening.

This isn't the way it works, by the time Gran Turismo came out the PSX was well established and gamers had no shortage of choice what games to buy/play but nothing quite like Gran Turismo, when Gran turismo 2 relased there were more consoles, but more competiion for players attention. When Gran Turismo 3 released, there were far fewer PS2's on the market than PSX's when GT1 released, but GT3 outsold GT1 with ease. Gran Turismo 4 did worse with a playerbase at launch roughly 3 times the size of Gran Turismo 3's.

The fewer games on the market, the less choice the consumers have, the less choice they have the higher a percentage of people will buy a new title (especially a AAA one).

There's no place for an argument where x% of PSX owners bought GT therefore x% of the current PS5 user base will buy GT7 and x% of PS4 players will buy the PS4 version becuase the current PS5 userbase do not have the same choice PSX owners had when GT1 released and the current PS4 userbase has far more games vyying for the players time, money and attention than the PS5 userbase does.

There is a direct correlation between how early in a consoles life a game releases and what percentage of the current user base purchase the game. The later on after the consoles release the consumer base is higher, but so is the competition for sales with other games and for peoples attention. The PS5 version of GT7 will outsell the PS4 version with ease.

You can see it in the chart @Famine posted, the first game to release does better. That's not becuase it's a better game (debateable on a generation by generation level) but it's because the first game gains more traction within the consumer base at the time it releases.

Then you have those people who bought a console early in life and then stopped using it, or it broke and they never bothered replacing/reparinig it as well as those who have upgraded to a newer console or are planning to do so and have switched off plans to buy more content for their last gen one.

The evidence speaks for itself, the first title on a new console sells best, and games that relase cross gen sell best on the latest hardware despite the smaller playerbase over the previous gen which has the huge playerbase advangate (on paper).

 

[ImaRobot]

Except they’ve probably learned more tricks to maximize PS4 now compared to back in the earlier days during GTS development. Maybe not by much though.

Except that they probably didn't, because we probably would have seen it in the 4 years of post development on GTS. They were almost treating this as a game as a service, so if we would have seen those significant changes if they actually had them. Like I said, if big improvements happen, it'll be followed by compromises as well. To take two steps forward at this point, something is going to have to take one step back.

Agreed, but at the same time the fact there will be a better PS5 version alongside might inspire them to take a more lenient approach to making it perform on PS4.

I'm not quite sure I understand this. They have no choice but to take a cautious approach with the PS4 because it's significantly weaker then the PS5. They'll have to work with what the PS4 can do, and that will directly coincide what will happen with the PS5.

I didn’t try to argue otherwise. All I’m saying is we should be careful not to get too distracted by disappointment until we know more about it. I hope you realize I’m trying to inspire a bit of optimism rather than blaming anyone for being upset.

You actually quite literally are. You're upset at the viewpoint someone shared that was pessimistic about the outcome of the game and labeled opinions like that overblown solely because you think its happening too much. No one is distracted by the disappointment, what people are doing is forming their opinion about what has happened with the last game, what is logical to happen with it being a cross gen game, and weighing it heavily on if they decide to get it or not and theres nothing wrong with that. There's absolutely no reason anyone needs to be as optimistic as you, this is not a requirement. This is your personal view, and this is theirs. Neither are wrong.

Again, I never said it wasn’t ok.

Except you keep trying to push for these people to be optimistic instead. You just basically said as much.

I had forgotten this. The disappointments are completely valid, but let’s wait and see how the game turns out on PS5. Not everything is about technical bells and whistles anyway. I recently started playing FH4 on Xbox Series X, and in one way I enjoyed it more on Xbox One, but only in one way.

For some, there's no need to wait. Some people wanted a true next gen game, and for those that weren't fully appreciating GTS and was hoping this is what was coming because of things specifically said by the Publishers, they had hope. Now that hope for significant improvements is shot. Again, does that mean it'll be a bad game? Heck no it doesn't. It just means that the goals that would have been accomplished with a true next gen game are all but shot. That's enough for some people to not want to give the next iteration a try and likely wait for the one after. Not entirely sure what's wrong with that.

That's fine.

You can say that but I’d still not recommend buying a PS5 for GT7 until much more is known about it. Not to say PS5 owners have themselves to blame, but there’s just nothing to gain by adopting the system so early if GT7 is all you care(d) for.

I'd say the same. That's just you and me though.


That's your individual opinion, and this is theirs. Neither are wrong.

 

[Nielsen]

Except that they probably didn't, because we probably would have seen it in the 4 years of post development on GTS. They were almost treating this as a game as a service, so if we would have seen those significant changes if they actually had them. Like I said, if big improvements happen, it'll be followed by compromises as well. To take two steps forward at this point, something is going to have to take one step back.

Certain things they would never change post-release. Not that I’m expecting GT7 to perform better on PS4 than GTS. I’m expecting it to do more and perform slightly worse, but still reasonably because they know the PS4 inside out.

I'm not quite sure I understand this. They have no choice but to take a cautious approach with the PS4 because it's significantly weaker then the PS5. They'll have to work with what the PS4 can do, and that will directly coincide what will happen with the PS5.

So you think the PS5 would have FPS stuttering because the PS4 might? I don’t.

You actually quite literally are. You're upset at the viewpoint someone shared that was pessimistic about the outcome of the game and labeled opinions like that overblown solely because you think its happening too much. No one is distracted by the disappointment, what people are doing is forming their opinion about what has happened with the last game, what is logical to happen with it being a cross gen game, and weighing it heavily on if they decide to get it or not and theres nothing wrong with that. There's absolutely no reason anyone needs to be as optimistic as you, this is not a requirement. This is your personal view, and this is theirs. Neither are wrong.

I actually quite literally am not upset. You refuse to listen, and somehow convince yourself you know my intention any better than myself. Don’t be ridiculous.

Except you keep trying to push for these people to be optimistic instead. You just basically said as much.

So? At worst it could lift the mood a little.

For some, there's no need to wait. Some people wanted a true next gen game, and for those that weren't fully appreciating GTS and was hoping this is what was coming because of things specifically said by the Publishers, they had hope. Now that hope for significant improvements is shot. Again, does that mean it'll be a bad game? Heck no it doesn't. It just means that the goals that would have been accomplished with a true next gen game are all but shot. That's enough for some people to not want to give the next iteration a try and likely wait for the one after. Not entirely sure what's wrong with that.

That's fine.

Fair enough, but in that case their loss for not giving the game a chance after they went through the real trouble of getting a PS5 just for this unreleased and largely under wraps title.

I'd say the same. That's just you and me though.


That's your individual opinion, and this is theirs. Neither are wrong.

Never said or even implied they are wrong, but of course you’ll keep disagreeing until your keyboard has worn out.

 

[ImaRobot]

Certain things they would never change post-release. Not that I’m expecting GT7 to perform better than GTS. I’m expecting it to do more and perform slightly worse, but still reasonably because they know the PS4 inside out.

That's the thing, they have obviously steered away from faulting the game just to have extra features. GTS has shown that quite easily - They prefer stable frames over demanding features. This isn't the PS3 era PD anymore. For good reason too. They've known the PS4 inside out for a while now, and that didn't save the things that got held back or removed.

So you think the PS5 would have FPS stuttering because the PS4 might? I don’t.

I'm not exactly sure how you got this from what I said. What I said is that the PS4 is going to be the focus of this game, because it has to work well on the lowest common denominator. That will in turn limit the PS5 to what only the PS4 is capable of when it comes to features like @Vspectra noted.

I actually quite literally am not upset. You refuse to listen, and somehow convince yourself you know my intention any better than myself. Don’t be ridiculous.

I am listening, you just aren't making much of a compelling argument and really just seem like your backtracking. I'm not saying anything of the sort, I'm saying this it's coming across, how it's being perceived through the exact words you chose to use.

So? At worst it could lift the mood a little.

Not your place to try to push people to think like you do. If it bothers you so much, I'd suggest avoiding the threads like this entirely, or block the peoples opinions you don't like if this is a pressing issue for you. You coming in doing this isn't going to convince anyone otherwise on either side. It's very easy to avoid getting caught into these things if that's what you chose.

F enough, but in that case their loss for not giving the game a chance after they went through the real trouble of getting a PS5 just for this unreleased and largely unknown .

It likely wont be their loss though, that's just how you view it yourself. You don't know what their loss would be.

Never said or even implied they are wrong, but of course you’ll keep disagreeing until your keyboard has worn out.

Never said you were saying that either. I'm just saying both sides are ok to have their own individual opinions whether its pessimistic or optimistic but you'll keep widely missing that point and just keep arguing about something not said.

 

[Nielsen]

@ImaRobot It’s clear you have more issues with my post on this matter than I do with anyone’s disappointment over GT7 on PS4. These massive quote trains are simply not worthy of the topic at hand. Waste of time and thread clutter.

 

[ImaRobot]

@ImaRobot It’s clear you have more issues with my post on this matter than I do with anyone’s disappointment over GT7 on PS4. These massive quote trains are simply not worthy of the topic at hand. Waste of time and thread clutter.

I really don't, but whatever makes you feel better. 👍Odd way to deflect considering you are the one that started these massive quote trains. I find it easier to reply to specific points, as you probably did since you picked it up first. It was a waste and thread clutter from the get go, coming in to try to tell people they need to be optimistic because that's what you are.

 

[Nielsen]

I really don't, but whatever makes you feel better. 👍Odd way to deflect considering you are the one that started these massive quote trains. I find it easier to reply to specific points, as you probably did since you picked it up first. It was a waste and thread clutter from the get go, coming in to try to tell people they need to be optimistic because that's what you are.

I had hoped the discussion would end after my first quote train, as I expressed my point clearly, but as always you steered toward extreme nitpicking. Anyway, I cannot help your mindset if you insist that posting a positive counterweight to negativity is a waste.

 

[ImaRobot]

I had hoped the discussion would end after my first quote train, as I expressed my point clearly, but as always you steered toward extreme nitpicking. Anyway, I cannot help your mindset if you insist that posting a positive counterweight to negativity is a waste.

And I was hoping this would finish when you said this is a waste of your time, but here you are - guess it actually wasn't. You've expressed you're points fairly clearly for the most part, you're right. Not sure what that is supposed to mean here or there though, as thus is the nature of a discussion. I never said it was a waste for you to be optimistic. I said it was a waste to come in and tell others how they should feel and try to say that they need to balance out their pessimism, not quite the same thing at all - not even in the same ballpark. I didn't steer toward extreme nitpicking, I reacted in kind since you wanted to make a massive quote train.

So again, whatever makes you feel better about what you do.

 

[lancashire lad]

Look on the bright side, this news has saved an awful lot of PS5 owners over £50. Me included.

 

[ImaRobot]

Look on the bright side, this news has saved an awful lot of PS5 owners over £50. Me included.

See, there's some of that optimism

 

[Sojiira]

To be fair, people were buying GT3 at that point, given that GT2 was a PS1 game


GT6 launched to the largest number of consoles in the history of GT games, and absolutely tanked - at least in GT terms. In fact launching to a larger customer base seems to have a negative effect on lifetime game sales for GT games. Here, have a table:

Game	Console	Consoles at Game Launch	Final Game Sales
Gran Turismo	PlayStation	29.8 million	10.8 million
Gran Turismo 2	PlayStation	70.0 million	9.4 million
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec	PlayStation 2	28.7 million	14.9 million
Gran Turismo 4	PlayStation 2	84.9 million	11.8 million
Gran Turismo 5	PlayStation 3	41.8 million	11.9 million
Gran Turismo 6	PlayStation 3	80.0 million	5.2 million
Gran Turismo Sport	PlayStation 4	67.5 million	>8 million

That all rather looks like the ~22m PS5s around at GT7's launch would be a better bet than 135m consoles across PS4 and PS5 - though of course if it does launch as a cross-gen game, it will be technically the first to do so (though PS2s could play GT1-4, and some PS3s could play GT1-6).

GT6 is an interesting case as that probably could have been the first cross-gen GT release if they made it playable on PS4. Kind of like whats happening now with games getting better res/fps. Also since the release was right around the same time, it would make sense to do so. With GT7 however that launch window spread gets further apart with delays where it wouldnt make sense to do it in the timeframe they have now, but they seem to already be in too deep into it.

 

[ImaRobot]

GT6 is an interesting case as that probably could have been the first cross-gen GT release if they made it playable on PS4. Kind of like whats happening now with games getting better res/fps. Also since the release was right around the same time, it would make sense to do so. With GT7 however that launch window spread gets further apart with delays where it wouldnt make sense to do it in the timeframe they have now, but they seem to already be in too deep into it.

Isn't the way cross-gen games are happening now because of how extremely similar the architecture is between the consoles out now? I'm not so sure we can say the same thing about the PS3 > PS4 era. I'm wondering if that's also why FH2 on two different consoles had to be developed from a completely different studio.

 

[Sojiira]

This is true. Quite happy to wait it out until the PC version hits.

Would love a PC version

 

[Tornado]

Sony. They cannot satisfy PS5 demand and who knows when they can, so they might have decided to rely more on the established PS4 user base.

Not being able to satisfy PS5 demand for month after month is a difficulty for Sony.

Ah, yes. Poor Sony. They only have checks notes the fastest selling console in the history of the game industry and checks notes a higher online usage/attach rate than the previous console generation when the previous records for that were set by checks notes Sony.


I can definitely see why they couldn't release a game exclusively for that new console ~24 months after it released after advertising it as such, because truly they are in trying times.

 

[HuskyGT]

It reminds me of GT4. Came very late during the PS2's life cycle. By then most people had old PS2's and this game would break them for good. I still remember that dreadful red loading icon.

I'm glad I don't have to deal with this anymore. Just wish that Sony eventually releases their titles on PC. I kind of miss GT. this game looks like it's going to be good.

 

[05XR8]

Well no, but I don't think anyone was suggesting it would sell those numbers. Just that whatever numbers it does do in say the first 6 months, would be more than PS4 in the same timeframe. As others have said, it's already been true of many other games. Remember as well the early adopters are always the most hardcore gamers, with or without a shortage availability. Combine that with less games available and attach rates are far higher than later in the console life with millions of casual gamers. So I think GT7 absolutely could easily do 7+ from the first 25-30m sales on PS5. PS4 probably wouldn't be that far behind, maybe 3-4m.

Depends a lot on how good the game is though of course, but I think a good return to a full numbered GT game could move the sales figures back towards 15m total.

To be fair, people were buying GT3 at that point, given that GT2 was a PS1 game


GT6 launched to the largest number of consoles in the history of GT games, and absolutely tanked - at least in GT terms. In fact launching to a larger customer base seems to have a negative effect on lifetime game sales for GT games. Here, have a table:

Game	Console	Consoles at Game Launch	Final Game Sales
Gran Turismo	PlayStation	29.8 million	10.8 million
Gran Turismo 2	PlayStation	70.0 million	9.4 million
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec	PlayStation 2	28.7 million	14.9 million
Gran Turismo 4	PlayStation 2	84.9 million	11.8 million
Gran Turismo 5	PlayStation 3	41.8 million	11.9 million
Gran Turismo 6	PlayStation 3	80.0 million	5.2 million
Gran Turismo Sport	PlayStation 4	67.5 million	>8 million

That all rather looks like the ~22m PS5s around at GT7's launch would be a better bet than 135m consoles across PS4 and PS5 - though of course if it does launch as a cross-gen game, it will be technically the first to do so (though PS2s could play GT1-4, and some PS3s could play GT1-6).

Right right. That GT3 is telling. 25-30 million PS5s could then possibly reach that number. Maybe whether the game is good or not.

Would the competing consoles, then determine sales numbers, by Accounts registering the game at boot up?

 

[Silver Arrows]

@ImaRobot It’s clear you have more issues with my post on this matter than I do with anyone’s disappointment over GT7 on PS4. These massive quote trains are simply not worthy of the topic at hand. Waste of time and thread clutter.

Typical. Post dumb ****, get pointed out that it's dumb ****, and then try and gaslight people who point out otherwise to the initial point you raised, then slip out the argument like an absolute coward.

Just come out and say you enjoy being the guy that goes 'well ackshually'. It would save everyone a lot of time.

Ah, yes. Poor Sony. They only have checks notes the fastest selling console in the history of the game industry and checks notes a higher online usage/attach rate than the previous console generation when the previous records for that were set by checks notes Sony.


I can definitely see why they couldn't release a game exclusively for that new console ~24 months after it released after advertising it as such, because truly they are in trying times.

Man, Sony are just in the absolute pits. Can someone please help the marker leader in the console space in terms of sales?

 

[kjeldsen]

It depends on what you consider really interesting of course, but the next-gen special features of the PS5 that the PS4 doesn't have are ray tracing, controller haptic feedback, much faster load times, 3-d audio, higher frame rate capacity - a 120fps mode would be great, improved and more extensive VR with PSVR2, etc, all of which it will be able to take advantage of.

For starters a huge power increase in CPU that could and should result in something special when it comes to the physics engine. real NextGen upgrade on that part was something i expected to be a definite thing happening.. That one is GONE

The same power together with the RDNA 2 GPU and the super fast storage should be enough for real dynamic weather and tracks with different amount of water on the track depending on where you are on the track, visible of course, racing through night, sunrise and day. All those things, not going to happen.

Next Gen lobbies, where you wait, on the track along with the other players, thanks to the super fast loading and plenty of power it should be possible to do that instead of waiting for the clock to hit 11:00, again, with the PS4 in the mix, not going to happen.

 

[Nielsen]

Typical. Post dumb *, get pointed out that it's dumb *, and then try and gaslight people who point out otherwise to the initial point you raised, then slip out the argument like an absolute coward.

I didn’t start an argument. I contributed to the thread in an entirely peaceful manner, but of course someone got triggered for no reason.

Just come out and say you enjoy being the guy that goes 'well ackshually'. It would save everyone a lot of time.

I enjoy racing games. You seemingly don’t as you spend the majority of your time on this forum starting irrelevant fights with people. Take your own advice.

 

[ImaRobot]

I didn’t start an argument. I contributed to the thread in an entirely peaceful manner, but of course someone got triggered for no reason.

Who got triggered? I didn't. I also contributed to the thread in an entirely peaceful manner as well, but of course you try to paint a different picture.

 

[Nielsen]

Who got triggered? I didn't. I also contributed to the thread in an entirely peaceful manner as well, but of course you try to paint a different picture.

Ok. I agree you contributed peacefully despite being very argumentative when I clearly wanted to wrap up a harmless point. Meanwhile, that guy just called a me coward for opting out of the “argument”. Maybe I’d understand if my initial contribution actually had had some sinister intentions, but that’s hardly the case.

 

[ImaRobot]

Ok. I agree you contributed peacefully despite being very argumentative when I clearly wanted to wrap up a harmless point. Meanwhile, that guy just called a me coward for opting out of the “argument”. Maybe I’d understand if my initial contribution actually had had some sinister intentions, but that’s hardly the case.

It was a harmless point, as it was a harmless discussion. We just didn't agree, that's all - there were no feelings, anger or otherwise, involved in this as I know you were going about it the same way.