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Nielsen
I think most GT players prefer “what if” scenarios that actually reflect the world they know. That’s why people started playing GT in the first place.
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So the what if scenarios that reflect the world they know is what?

Good thing atleast 89% of the cars are real and cover a wide basis of road cars to race cars across decades to fit the world they know.
 
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Wow ; some really takes the things literally about the roofless racers ; of course we know racing cars without roof are a thing; the point was more in today GT Racing ( meaning GT3 and GTE ) things like a golf VGT Speedster looks a bit out of place IMO.

But maybe I’m wrong thinking that way.
 
Kedmasterz
the point was more in today GT Racing ( meaning GT3 and GTE ) things like a golf VGT Speedster looks a bit out of place IMO.

But maybe I’m wrong thinking that way.
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You'd be correct, and when the VW GTi VGT Roadster turns up in ACC, go for it, until then, just accept that the Gr.1, 2, 3, 4 & B categories in GT7 are much broader than FIA or SRO categories, even without the presence of any concept cars.
 
The most ironic thing... is that people are giving out because of unusual/quirky GT-grade motor cars appearing in this game but most of the people here are fuelled by thé nostalgia from the old games which is based on a boat-load of crazy concept/fantasy vehicles, many of which are highly in demand to make a reappearance today.

New players to the series don't have a chance.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if the IMSA GTP class cars were added to the game, with an endurance race at Daytona, on the same week as the actual Rolex 24 was taking place?
 
benjoi84
The most ironic thing... is that people are giving out because of unusual/quirky GT-grade motor cars appearing in this game but most of the people here are fuelled by thé nostalgia from the old games which is based on a boat-load of crazy concept/fantasy vehicles, many of which are highly in demand to make a reappearance today.

New players to the series don't have a chance.
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Since PD started working with categories in Sport Mode, in GT Sport, many people have dreamed about the additions of IMSA GTPs.

Maybe it could happen in the future, as there are rumors that PD has good relations with the IMSA group.
 
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05XR8
Heritage model?
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It's actually a Lancia Delta

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benjoi84
The most ironic thing... is that people are giving out because of unusual/quirky GT-grade motor cars appearing in this game but most of the people here are fuelled by thé nostalgia from the old games which is based on a boat-load of crazy concept/fantasy vehicles, many of which are highly in demand to make a reappearance today.

New players to the series don't have a chance.
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As a new player to the series (only started with GT7 in summer 2023 and never played it before) I can happily confirm that I find these absurd discussions hilarious and amusing. And after some reading, I go back to the game and drive all sorts of races with all sorts of cars - real or made up, as long as they’re fun to drive. 🤩
 
Famine
This is essentially a call to judge each car on its merits and... I agree.

Too many people regard all VGTs as if they're the Chaparral or Tomahawk, when really only the Chaparral and Tomahawk are the Chaparral/Tomahawk cars. And yeah, I hate those cars too.

Often the same people who crap on something like the Jaguar VGT (okay, VGTs, which is an issue) would crawl naked over molten glass for a Rimac Nevera, Lotus Evija, or Pininfarina Battista and the only practical difference there is that the fake car you're not driving is a real car in the real world; they're AWD, four-figure horsepower EVs, which these people will will drive once, crash, and say handles like crap because they arrive at a corner three times faster than normal in two tonnes of battery pack.


Some VGTs are just concept cars called VGT. The FT-1 as previously noted is one; the BMW, Subaru, Mitsubishi, and two of the three Peugeots also being particularly heinous examples of "oh crap, we need something for this game thing". Others seem pretty phoned in, like the other Peugeot (a 1:8 scale model only), the Infiniti (also a 1:8 scale model only; hey, who only just remembered it existed because I mentioned it just then?), and the Copen. Some are fully functional cars (more so than the much-loved GT90), some are rolling models (like most motor show concepts), and some are just static models (like most other motor show concepts).

Really, a VGT is indistinguishable from any other concept car - it might work, it might work a bit, it might not work, and sometimes they can't even be bothered to make a full-size one. And some literally are any other concept car with a VGT branding (in the literature, but not on the car).


If someone's glueing their underwear to themselves over the Ford GT90 but dismissing the Aston Martin DP-100, I do have to wonder exactly what it is they actually want.
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There's a difference between cars that you can actually buy and concept cars. People want cars that are/were in production and I think that's where most of the contention comes from. We get frustrated because there are still soo many cars from the real world that this game needs and seeing PD put in VGT's makes you wonder where their priorities are.
 
I can already imagine what the comments are gonna be like when they post the update news on Instagram and YouTube:lol:

I hope the social media team is ready for the backlash
 
ScottPuss20
There's a difference between cars that you can actually buy and concept cars.
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Yes, I'm aware.

However the point is people clamouring for certain concept cars (particularly the Ford GT90, which is in our top 30 Suggestions with almost 300 votes) while dumping on Vision GT cars for being Vision GT cars. I'm not sure what the difference between a VGT and a non-VGT concept car is - particularly given how blurry the line is on a lot of them.
 
I'm not a VGT hater, but perhaps the biggest reason people hate these cars is that many of these cars don't exist in the real world and these cars have non-realistic and ridiculous performances.

Perhaps to people who hate these cars, this car might look like the "devil cars" from Ridge Racer series.
And many people view GT as one of the top of consumer simulators, or simcades.
Maybe there's a distaste for cars like this appearing in such serious (*so they think) games.
 
WanganDream
I'm not a VGT hater, but perhaps the biggest reason people hate these cars is that many of these cars don't exist in the real world
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For the most part they exist in the real world no more or less as much as any other concept car does (some of which, as previously pointed out, are existing concept cars that have just been hastily branded as a VGT), so I'm not seeing why this is an argument against VGTs while other non-VGT concept cars get a free pass - or 300 likes in the GTPlanet Suggestions/Cars forum.
WanganDream
and these cars have non-realistic and ridiculous performances.
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And again in most cases, this just isn't true. Most VGTs are well within the performance envelope of modern cars, and quite lowball compared to the various 2000hp EVs that are coming out now.

As for those that aren't... well:
Famine
Too many people regard all VGTs as if they're the Chaparral or Tomahawk, when really only the Chaparral and Tomahawk are the Chaparral/Tomahawk cars.
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Famine
For the most part they exist in the real world no more or less as much as any other concept car does (some of which, as previously pointed out, are existing concept cars that have just been hastily branded as a VGT), so I'm not seeing why this is an argument against VGTs while other non-VGT concept cars get a free pass - or 300 likes in the GTPlanet Suggestions/Cars forum.

And again in most cases, this just isn't true. Most VGTs are well within the performance envelope of modern cars, and quite lowball compared to the various 2000hp EVs that are coming out now.

As for those that aren't... well:
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Sorry to jump into the discussion, but one reason vgts are hated may be that, apart from some spaceship-like vgts, they don't have an interior. That's at least one of my reasons for disliking the concept of vgt cars.
 
The line itself isn’t blurry, it’s people’s eyeballs.

My only gripe is the one million per. Forget about ease of earning one. The cars should be the price of Gr. 3/B road version. 300,000Cr. is fair.

It's definitely not a good look for the cars that don't have interiors. That's only a problem for me in VR. Other than that, people seem to be upset about the tagging Vision Gran Turismo on every car.
Had the cars just been named: GT by Ferrari, GT by Lambo Lambo Lambo Lambo, GT by BMW, there might be less angst.
 
WanganDream
I'm not a VGT hater, but perhaps the biggest reason people hate these cars is that many of these cars don't exist in the real world and these cars have non-realistic and ridiculous performances.
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Out of 40 odd standard VGTs (non Gr.) the majority of the VGTs are slower than GT3 cars, a bigger majority are slower than the Valkyrie, an even bigger majority are slower than current Le Mans cars or the Super Formula car.

Given that these cars are not designed or 'built' to either road going regulations, or a rule book that inherently limits performance as race cars are, that's not entirely unreasonable.
 
Famine
Yes, I'm aware.

However the point is people clamouring for certain concept cars (particularly the Ford GT90, which is in our top 30 Suggestions with almost 300 votes) while dumping on Vision GT cars for being Vision GT cars. I'm not sure what the difference between a VGT and a non-VGT concept car is - particularly given how blurry the line is on a lot of them.
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The VGT cars are not guided by regulations, which manufacturers take as opportunities to create cars that virtually no one can relate to. Added to that, VGT has been going on like this for more than a decade. Predictable by now and the novelty is gone. I’m sure Kaz gets a little ego boost whenever car manufacturers create a car just for his game. Who wouldn’t? But come on, enough is enough.
 
Nielsen
The VGT cars are not guided by regulations, which manufacturers take as opportunities to create cars that virtually no one can relate to.
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They're doing a piss-poor job then, as the majority borrow from, or have led into cars they actually make (or both) - some, again, literally being their own existing show concepts that they've adapted for VGT.

Of the ones I can think of that don't (or don't yet), there's the "if we did Le Mans again" Mazda LM55 (from before LMH regs), "if we did Le Mans and hydrogen was a thing" Hyundai N, the "if we did a Bugatti Bolide" Lamborghini, and "we're Sbarro, honest" ItalDesign.

And of course the ChapaHawk, but then:
Famine
Too many people regard all VGTs as if they're the Chaparral or Tomahawk, when really only the Chaparral and Tomahawk are the Chaparral/Tomahawk cars.
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Nielsen
But come on, enough is enough.
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Why? Car designers appear to love it, and sometimes it opens up the brand's PR/marketing department to more cooperation (even if "we" don't necessarily get all the cars "we" want)...


Again, I wonder how many GT90 advocates would still do so if it were penned today and had a VGT name, or if they'd reflexively hate/dismiss it on that basis alone...
 
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