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ScottPuss20
Admit it, driving the GT90 would feel a lot more special than any VGT. You may not want to agree for the sake of the argument but I know deep down that you'd prefer it.
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Nice set-up there, so you can pretend I'm lying when I say I wouldn't - but I wouldn't.

The GT90 is vile to look at (inside and out) and was only ever a cobbled-together project that consisted of a Jaguar XJ220 chassis (and gearbox) with an entirely unproven - and abandoned - engine in the back that was never allowed to be run up to full power. The whole thing was thrown together in six months by a team of a dozen people that included such luminaries as the man who designed the 2012 Opel Zafira and 2017 Chery Tiggo Coupe Concept.

Any recreation of how the GT90 drives is pure fiction. Nobody who drove it experienced it turbocharged, as the wastegates were locked open to run naturally aspirated only (at about 400hp tops), and they were both rev- (5,500rpm) and speed-limited (100mph). Drivers were not allowed to take hard turns, as no part of the body, engine, or chassis was up to the task (the original XJ220 chassis was, of course, but with a six-litre V12 quad turbo [made out of two Modular 4.6 V8s] sitting where the 3.5-litre twin-turbo V6 should be, they just didn't know how it would go or how hard it would go wrong).

I don't really know what's good about the story of this munting, Frankenstein's monster of a car that nobody could really drive and which was aborted before it was ever shown to anyone (even Ford's senior management took one look and said no, but still dragged it to some motor shows) but it very much is not a car I'd be particularly interested in pretending to pretend to drive.

I'm not a fan of a lot of VGTs, but on their own merits (and lack thereof). Those I do like include the Mazda LM55 (inspired by the 787B and designed by Ikuo Maeda, the designer behind all Mazda's Kodo stuff and the son of Matasaburo Maeda who created the RX-7; now that's a good story), the Suzuki, the Genesis based on what I've seen so far (which is a lot), the Fittipaldi (which is of course dead; the businesses behind the Fittipaldi name are a rat's nest), and - based on how it drives - the Bulgari. I'm not a fan of the McLaren, but that too has a decent story. I thought I'd like the Honda, but it doesn't drive nicely at all.


If the GT90 was in GT7, it would be in my garage purely for the collection purposes. Would I rather drive the Bulgari Vision GT? Yep - and you can pretend otherwise all you like, but it doesn't make it anywhere close to true.
 
Famine
Nice set-up there, so you can pretend I'm lying when I say I wouldn't - but I wouldn't.

The GT90 is vile to look at (inside and out) and was only ever a cobbled-together project that consisted of a Jaguar XJ220 chassis (and gearbox) with an entirely unproven - and abandoned - engine in the back that was never allowed to be run up to full power. The whole thing was thrown together in six months by a team of a dozen people that included such luminaries as the man who designed the 2012 Opel Zafira and 2017 Chery Tiggo Coupe Concept.

Any recreation of how the GT90 drives is pure fiction. Nobody who drove it experienced it turbocharged, as the wastegates were locked open to run naturally aspirated only (at about 400hp tops), and they were both rev- (5,500rpm) and speed-limited (100mph). Drivers were not allowed to take hard turns, as no part of the body, engine, or chassis was up to the task (the original XJ220 chassis was, of course, but with a six-litre V12 quad turbo [made out of two Modular 4.6 V8s] sitting where the 3.5-litre twin-turbo V6 should be, they just didn't know how it would go or how hard it would go wrong).

I don't really know what's good about the story of this munting, Frankenstein's monster of a car that nobody could really drive and which was aborted before it was ever shown to anyone (even Ford's senior management took one look and said no, but still dragged it to some motor shows) but it very much is not a car I'd be particularly interested in pretending to pretend to drive.

I'm not a fan of a lot of VGTs, but on their own merits (and lack thereof). Those I do like include the Mazda LM55 (inspired by the 787B and designed by Ikuo Maeda, the designer behind all Mazda's Kodo stuff and the son of Matasaburo Maeda who created the RX-7; now that's a good story), the Suzuki, the Genesis based on what I've seen so far (which is a lot), the Fittipaldi (which is of course dead; the businesses behind the Fittipaldi name are a rat's nest), and - based on how it drives - the Bulgari. I'm not a fan of the McLaren, but that too has a decent story. I thought I'd like the Honda, but it doesn't drive nicely at all.


If the GT90 was in GT7, it would be in my garage purely for the collection purposes. Would I rather drive the Bulgari Vision GT? Yep - and you can pretend otherwise all you like, but it doesn't make it anywhere close to true.
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You've accidentally proven why the GT90 deserves to be in GT7.
 
ScottPuss20
You've accidentally proven why the GT90 deserves to be in GT7.
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You sure do like to assume other people's thoughts and intent.

It is shonk. If you think shonk "deserves to be in GT7", that's on you, not me. I don't think it deserves this weird, mythical elevation given to it by plenty of people, but I have no opinion on whether it "deserves to be in GT7" because I have no way to determine what "deserves" means here. What makes a car deserving and another car not deserving?

Additional to the fact it's shonk, any digital recreation of it is wholly fictional because even in the real world it was no better than a rolling motor show chassis. For all the foot-stamping about the fictional performance of VGTs from various corners, the GT90 is right up there with them with its "720hp" (400hp) V12 quad-turbo (naturally aspirated) that nobody was allowed to drive hard round corners, above 5,500rpm, or over 100mph. It's would be as much guesswork and physics simulation poking as any VGT is (other than those that actually work).

And, again, this isn't even particularly remarkable in terms of concept cars - taking us right back to the question of why people don't like concept cars called VGT but give a free pass to concept cars not called VGT...
 
ScottPuss20
The sentimental value of the car far outweighs that of any VGT and let me tell you, people will lose their minds if PD put it in. It's not about the performance, it's about the story and the GT90 has a good one that would immediately make it a fantastic addition. VGT's don't connect to us in the same way, hence why they're shunned so often.
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Okay Scott, this is honestly an absurd argument. The sentimental value of the GT90 and connections it has with people was gained overtime. Your argument here sounds like you think VGTs could not achieve that same sentimentality when you wouldn't be able to tell that; people can be getting attached to some of these concepts as we speak.

and you're talking about the GT90s story like a VGT car would not be capable of having a cool story of its own. That's not true, one of these VGTs could have a great story developed by its design and even become a real thing. As a matter of fact, that kind of thing has happened. There's VGTs that evolved into something else like Mclaren VGT becoming the Solus for instance.
 
RandomCarGuy17
Okay Scott, this is honestly an absurd argument. The sentimental value of the GT90 and connections it has with people was gained overtime. Your argument here sounds like you think VGTs could not achieve that same sentimentality when you wouldn't be able to tell that; people can be getting attached to some of these concepts as we speak.

and you're talking about the GT90s story like a VGT car would not be capable of having a cool story of its own. That's not true, one of these VGTs could have a great story developed by its design and even become a real thing. As a matter of fact, that kind of thing has happened. There's VGTs that evolved into something else like Mclaren VGT becoming the Solus for instance.
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I was going to reply almost the exact same way but was having trouble wording it effectively.

I tried hard to think of legit ways VGTs are worse than any other concept, new or old, and couldn't come up anything. At the end of the day, no matter how deep these cars' stories are, they're ultimately just marketing tools for the manufacturers to get potential customers interested. So more than worthiness of being in the game and all that, I just want fun cars to drive and for those cars to have an environment where they are useful.
 
JTB10000
they're ultimately just marketing tools for the manufacturers to get potential customers interested. So more than worthiness of being in the game and all that, I just want fun cars to drive and for those cars to have an environment where they are useful.
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Basically that, they're mainly just cool things that people can look at and draw people to a brand.

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With that said, I love the Ford GT90 concept and see the potential could've been despite the issues it had. But saying it's more important than a VGT car is subjective at this point.

Though I would also say I rather if more production cars get added, but I have no agency over that.
 
Famine
You sure do like to assume other people's thoughts and intent.

It is shonk. If you think shonk "deserves to be in GT7", that's on you, not me. I don't think it deserves this weird, mythical elevation given to it by plenty of people, but I have no opinion on whether it "deserves to be in GT7" because I have no way to determine what "deserves" means here. What makes a car deserving and another car not deserving?

Additional to the fact it's shonk, any digital recreation of it is wholly fictional because even in the real world it was no better than a rolling motor show chassis. For all the foot-stamping about the fictional performance of VGTs from various corners, the GT90 is right up there with them with its "720hp" (400hp) V12 quad-turbo (naturally aspirated) that nobody was allowed to drive hard round corners, above 5,500rpm, or over 100mph. It's would be as much guesswork and physics simulation poking as any VGT is (other than those that actually work).

And, again, this isn't even particularly remarkable in terms of concept cars - taking us right back to the question of why people don't like concept cars called VGT but give a free pass to concept cars not called VGT...
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It would be a realisation of dream that never came to be in the real world.
RandomCarGuy17
Okay Scott, this is honestly an absurd argument. The sentimental value of the GT90 and connections it has with people was gained overtime. Your argument here sounds like you think VGTs could not achieve that same sentimentality when you wouldn't be able to tell that; people can be getting attached to some of these concepts as we speak.

and you're talking about the GT90s story like a VGT car would not be capable of having a cool story of its own. That's not true, one of these VGTs could have a great story developed by its design and even become a real thing. As a matter of fact, that kind of thing has happened. There's VGTs that evolved into something else like Mclaren VGT becoming the Solus for instance.
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I'm not saying that they couldn't achieve the same sentimentality, it's just that none of them have. I guess the closest thing we have to that is the LM55 because it's a modern interpretation of a beloved prototype racer. Mazda really went above and beyond for that car, as it very much transcended it's original purpose as a VGT car.
 
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ScottPuss20
I'm not saying that they couldn't achieve the same sentimentality, it's just that none of them have.
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Even with that argument, it goes back to what I just said with the GT90 in the comment you just quoted. Sentimentality is gained overtime and will not happen at the same rate with every car. Also, how would you even know that none of the ones released so far haven't gained it?
 
ShiftingGears
I don't care much for completely make believe cars that don't exist.

The biggest issue for GT is that the car list is getting stale while the make believe cars take up more of the car list in each game.

Nike One was completely useless in GT4 btw
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Lets just hope this next 2 VGT are the last for this year and they start to add more real race cars and road cars.
 
ShiftingGears
Nike One was completely useless in GT4 btw
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Good thing the VGTs aren’t useless in GT7 and can be used in the WTC600/700/800/900 events and others for example.

In fact VGTs are soo useless PD has them in Nations cup races and the best in the game race against each other online too! How useless!
 
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Aero2000
Sorry to jump into the discussion, but one reason vgts are hated may be that, apart from some spaceship-like vgts, they don't have an interior. That's at least one of my reasons for disliking the concept of vgt cars.
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I drive in VR ALWAYS. I hate the VGT cars which have no cockpits. I think the VW VGT is an exception?
 
AlexWilmot
Good thing the VGTs aren’t useless in GT7 and can be used in the WTC600/700/800/900 events and others for example.

In fact VGTs are soo useless PD has them in Nations cup races and the best in the game race against each other online too! How useless!
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Did I say you couldn't use them? No I didn't
 
ShiftingGears
Did I say you couldn't use them? No I didn't
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So what was the point in referencing the Nike 2022 in GT4 since this is about VGT's in GT7?
This isn't the first time you've tried to link the Nike 2022 in GT4 and compare it to VGT's

Just another empty complaint from you then.
 
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WanganDream
I love the Peugeot VGT, but I'm really disappointed that this car doesn't have a cockpit view.
If this car had a cockpit view, it would have given me a similar experience to Ace Combat's Coffin System aircraft.
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I've no dislike of VGTs as such. Its the lack of compatibility with VR2's cockpit view that stops me. I'm not able to get on PS atm, so can you tell me which VGTs you could recommend in VR2 cockpit viewing?
 
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Supercededman
I've no dislike of VGTs as such. Its the lack of compatibility with VR2's cockpit view that stops me. I'm not able to get on PS atm, so can you tell me which VGTs you could recommend in VR2 cockpit viewing?
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These are the car's without:
  • Infiniti
  • Aston Martin DP-100
  • VW GTI Supersport
  • Merc-AMG
  • BMW
  • Mini Cooper
  • Zagato
  • ItalDesign
  • Peugeot VGT Gr.3
  • Subaru VIZIV
  • Mitsubishi
  • Lexus

Car's with interiors:
  • Dodge Tomahawk (all)
  • Jaguar
  • McLaren VGT
  • VW GTI Roadster
  • Audi
  • Porsche
  • Ferrari
  • Lamborghini
  • Puegeot L500/L750
  • Alpine (3 of them)
  • Bugatti
  • Toyota FT-1
  • Nissan
  • Honda
  • Mazda LM55
  • Suzuki
  • Daihatsu
  • Hyundai
  • Chapparel 2X
After this week's update I think it's 70% VGT's will have interiors
 
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AlexWilmot
These are the car's without:
  • Infiniti
  • Aston Martin DP-100
  • VW GTI Supersport
  • Merc-AMG
  • BMW
  • Mini Cooper
  • Zagato
  • ItalDesign
  • Peugeot VGT Gr.3
  • Subaru VIZIV
  • Mitsubishi
  • Lexus

Car's with interiors:
  • Dodge Tomahawk (all)
  • Jaguar
  • McLaren VGT
  • VW GTI Roadster
  • Audi
  • Porsche
  • Ferrari
  • Lamborghini
  • Puegeot L500/L750
  • Citroën GT
  • Alpine (3 of them)
  • Bugatti
  • Toyota FT-1
  • Nissan
  • Honda
  • Mazda LM55
  • Suzuki
  • Daihatsu
  • Hyundai
  • Chapparel 2X
After this week's update I think it's 70% VGT's will have interiors
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Wow i had no idea there were quite so many VGTs in the game!
 
Clinton Ducks
Wow i had no idea there were quite so many VGTs in the game!
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52/488 cars in the Game are VGT's, 10.65% to be increased to 11% if the Genesis is just the one version ie. no race version as spotted in the background of the video trailer.

Just to note a lot of the VGT's have been carried over from GT Sport and GT6 & are made by the manufacturers, so that haven't taken away from PD making other cars
 
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