Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[Silver_Wolf]

True, but its also a vintage Ferrari Le Mans car, so it will likely be around 15-20 million credits. Beautiful car, but only a small percentage of players will ever get to the point of being able to unlock it. I also believe most players will choose the P4 over the 512s if given the option between two vintage Ferrari Race cars. The 512S is a curious choice for sure, but Kazunori picking the cars by hand is what makes the Pebble Beach cars special I suppose.

Perhaps so but we may not 'require' to unlock it, you never know they might add it as a prize car or we win it in the 'rare' moments of daily roulette for expensive cars...

 

[JD_18]

This sounds like a political sentence.

Yeah no. Any one pretending one is worse than the other is just not being objective at all and is adding to that toxicity - or finger pointing at a community opposite of the one they prefer. For every community find that's toxic for one side, you can find equal amounts for the other. It's really not leaning any more one way than it is the other. For example, this being a primarily Sony/PD website, you see that toxicity from the Playstation side. Do the same thing for a Forza specific forum like the official forums for the game you'll see similarly enough, just for Microsoft' side. Then, within both those communities, are plenty of people who don't care either way. You're painting a misleading picture intentionally.

Give proof of this, otherwise this is just typical console war horse**** that this side of the forum likes to perpetuate because they aren't satisfied with the affairs on their side of the garden.

As you wish!



"You're painting a misleading picture intentionally."

Yeah,
I loved this one. You assume a bad intention on my part.

Which only reflects that you project yourself on me.

Unlike you, I do not speak to speak, I can prove it in 5 minutes.. On the other hand, pointing out something is not positioning oneself on a side, simply saying what it is.

 

[ImaRobot]

Yeah,
I loved this one. You assume a bad intention on my part.

Which only reflects that you project yourself on me.

Unlike you, I do not speak to speak, I can prove it in 5 minutes.. On the other hand, pointing out something is not positioning oneself on a side, simply saying what it is.

It is a bad intention if you're being misleading. Any one can find anything on either side of the fence showing that the community is toxic. So yes, you are just speaking to speak, and being intentionally, or unintentionally misleading about the subject. Unfortunately for you, 3 screenshots doesn't prove diddly about one side being more toxic than the other.

The ones pretending that only the other side of the fence is toxic, or more toxic then the community they're in are only adding to that toxicity within the community they are against. This is only fueling the exact things you're pointing fingers at others for being a part of. People like this is the exact reason console wars exist in the first place and it's completely ironic considering the things you're saying. If that's what you really think, than you're really just part of this console-war toxicity.

 

[Samus]

Come on, are we seriously doing this? Toxicity at any level on either side is stupid and it's always there. Who cares if Xbox staff like some random dude on twitter with his nonsense opinions?

Besides, why do you even know that? Why are you looking up who Xbox staff follow and what they like? Suggests you're in deep in the toxic cesspit yourself.

 

[Nowax]

View attachment 1090446

This kinda concerns me - Interiors in cars still seem to have that lowpoly 'play-dough' effect from GT Sport. The elimination of stuff like this from the 3rd person cam was what I was looking forward to most when it came to visuals on my PS5, hopefully this is only something that appears in replays.

I think that's the lowest setting you can get on GT7. Specially because there's no ray tracing. Perhaps once you choose the quality option you'll be seeing higher quality interiors on 3rd person.

 

[DefNotJake]

'Gran Turismo 7 Beta' has been found on the PS Stores internal database according to this dude who regularly posts his findings on Twitter, and is regularly right.

 

[Lux Klonoa]

'Gran Turismo 7 Beta' has been found on the PS Stores internal database according to this dude who regularly posts his findings on Twitter, and is regularly right.

He also says it's only for internal devs, I just saw.

 

[tankuroded]

He also says it's only for internal devs, I just saw.

Given how Destiny's internal QA build was disguised as a music player though, this might be sign that the game is in QA.

Edit: No, gamedev don't work that way - QA is done even from the first pre-alpha build.

 

[JD_18]

It is a bad intention if you're being misleading. Any one can find anything on either side of the fence showing that the community is toxic. So yes, you are just speaking to speak, and being intentionally, or unintentionally misleading about the subject. Unfortunately for you, 3 screenshots doesn't prove diddly about one side being more toxic than the other.

The ones pretending that only the other side of the fence is toxic, or more toxic then the community they're in are only adding to that toxicity within the community they are against. This is only fueling the exact things you're pointing fingers at others for being a part of. People like this is the exact reason console wars exist in the first place and it's completely ironic considering the things you're saying. If that's what you really think, than you're really just part of this console-war toxicity.

This is not a university community or scientific community to waste time, especially since you already go with the assumption of "bad intentions".

On the other hand, the point I am trying to demonstrate is that the toxicity - of a part of the xbox community - is so big that even important figures from the Microsoft division participate, reward and promote toxic attitudes.

Now, with the cheap demagoguery that you handle, then prove that a Playstation manager echoes a toxic Twitter or YouTube user, its easy, righ?

Come on, are we seriously doing this? Toxicity at any level on either side is stupid and it's always there. Who cares if Xbox staff like some random dude on twitter with his nonsense opinions?

Besides, why do you even know that? Why are you looking up who Xbox staff follow and what they like? Suggests you're in deep in the toxic cesspit yourself.

NOBODY said toxicity at any level didn't matter. It was not even suggested.

Let's learn to read.

On the other hand, I was asked to provide evidence for my claims (which only I did and the other guy didn't). I did that.

In which world is it negative to offer evidence? The toxic thing is pointing without evidence.

On the other hand, and this makes me quite funny, is that I only invested 5 minutes of free time to find something toxic on the twitter of Xbox Games Marketing & Home Appliance Visionary at Microsoft, not a "random guy", which very much to his Regret further proves my point.

To make this funnier, I'm doing a research about tribalism in the videogame industry, so not only I have evidence, also I know more about it than you do.

Simplifying and assuming things about people is very toxic.

You guys have a very wrong idea of toxicity.

 

[Nowax]

Oh my god this has become so annoying lol

 

[Samus]

The point I was making is that comparing levels of toxicity, and saying one community is worse than another, is pointless. Who cares, It's all bad and has nothing to do with Gran Turismo 7, which is what this topic is meant to be about.

 

[Dave A]

It seems this discussion has become a little toxic since the subject of X-Box fans being more toxic than Playstation fans was raised for little to no reason .

 

[05XR8]

I vote to keep it moving.

Now, about the steering In the trailer. Yes. Lots of steering correction, which is realistic.

 

[Terronium-12]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This is a Gran Turismo 7 discussion thread. No one cares how much you hate Xbox or Forza Motorsport. This isn't a Forza vs GT thread, nor is it a PlayStation vs Xbox thread.

It ends here.

 

[ImaRobot]

Well he sure did prove that it still exists to this day, just not against the side he’s pointing fingers at

Given how Destiny's internal QA build was disguised as a music player though, this might be sign that the game is in QA.

Edit: No, gamedev don't work that way - QA is done even from the first pre-alpha build.

That’s correct, QA isn’t done as a final step, it happens constantly throughout. Waiting till the end is recipe for disaster in any project.

 

[ScottPuss20]

It seems this discussion has become a little toxic since the subject of X-Box fans being more toxic than Playstation fans was raised for little to no reason .

It only became a "discussion" when 3 people decided that they had to take matters into their own hands instead of just ignoring the comment. OK I understand that the original comment was out of line and totally irrelevant to this this thread but that doesn't justify the response from others. That only serves to make things worse and bring the whole thing down. Certain individuals feel as though they MUST respond and then get annoyed when the original poster gets their back up and starts carrying on like an idiot with stupid claims and false information. If the post isn't relevant, don't respond! Let the moderators sort it out!

 

[JD_18]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This is a Gran Turismo 7 discussion thread. No one cares how much you hate Xbox or Forza Motorsport. This isn't a Forza vs GT thread, nor is it a PlayStation vs Xbox thread.

It ends here.

My intention was not to divert the thread, I simply find it unpleasant that they falsely accuse (not only me, but the original comment).

Regardless of the original offtopic, the guy didn't tell any lie, so I dont not understand why they make hole drama accusing bad "secret" intentions and afther complain about the offtopic.

Thats the real toxicity and I hope you and the all team of GT Planet can work it

Apologies about my offtopic of the offtopic (and my english) xD greetings!

 

[Lux Klonoa]

Given how Destiny's internal QA build was disguised as a music player though, this might be sign that the game is in QA.

Edit: No, gamedev don't work that way - QA is done even from the first pre-alpha build.

Heavier QA, then, from the moment a game goes into beta.

Anyway, hopefully, this is a sign that the game is on track for March. But you never know with PD, indeed. Another delay could still happen.

 

[Dolby89]

They definitely aren't. I've literally spoken to Geely, and Volvo, and Polestar, and Lotus, and Geely is not the reason no matter how many times people say it. I mean, I worked for Geely, writing internal brand newsletter pieces and speaking to all the PRs across the brands, so...

Lotus is simply a case of the brand feeling their agreement was not commensurate with the valuation of other brands' agreements. UK car manufacturers speak to each other pretty regularly (and have organisations for doing so), and Lotus pretty much discovered that they were getting less than an equivalent brand (not named, but I expect it to be McLaren). I suspect they were getting less money due to the contract paying out diminishing returns and the year delay on GT Sport resulting in a lower payment, but I've never had that confirmed.


Basically it's not Geely, it's money. Oh, for Polestar, they didn't want to be in games, and then Ghost Games (of the same Sweden as Polestar) approached them and asked them to be the cover car, rather than just being one brand among many.

Yeah, of course it's the money. What other reason could there be? Yet it was just fine until Geely. The chinese are too greedy, that is all.

 

[Famine]

Yeah, of course it's the money. What other reason could there be? Yet it was just fine until Geely. The chinese are too greedy, that is all.

It's not Geely. I just explained the entire situation...

 

[Dolby89]

It's not Geely. I just explained the entire situation...

Who else wasn't happy with the money? Lotus? Don't think they have anything to say if Geely holds a 51% majority stake.

 

[Famine]

Who else wasn't happy with the money? Lotus?

Yes. As literally explained in the post I spent quite some time on in order to explain it.

Don't think they have anything to say if Geely holds a 51% majority stake.

Geely - or rather Zhejiang Geely Holdings, which is the parent company (Geely is just one sub-brand like Lotus, LEVC, Volvo, and Polestar) - doesn't run Lotus PR. Lotus does. It also doesn't run Volvo or Polestar PR. The PR teams are who decide how and where to advertise the products and brand; ZGH might set the annual budget, but that doesn't apply when it comes to contracts that see money coming in.

I've worked for ZGH. I've literally been, in person, and spoken to Lotus about this situation - and I've spoken to Polestar PR about how it came to be the cover car for NFS Heat and had a one-on-one interview with the CEO Thomas Ingenlath. I actually had dinner with Volvo UK PR last month, but the topic didn't come up.

It is, as I walked you right through in my post, Lotus that withdrew after discovering it was being paid less than what it considers "an equivalent brand" (as I said, probably McLaren, though not specifically named) - likely due to the fact the contract paid diminishing returns, combined with the year's delay to GT Sport.

Geely did not withdraw Lotus.


The only case I'm aware of where an overarching parent company directly controls the PR departments of subsidiary brands is Stellantis, which unified almost all the PR teams (Peugeot, Citroen, DS, Vauxhall, FIAT, Chrysler, Alfa Romeo, Jeep) into one. In all other cases - Volkswagen AG, Renault-Nissan Alliance - the PR teams are separate entities.

 

[Strittan]

Yeah, of course it's the money. What other reason could there be? Yet it was just fine until Geely. The chinese are too greedy, that is all.

Lol, the Chinese are too greedy? I’d argue that the greediest bunch are those who outsource their production or sell off their entire business to China.

 

[KevinHeryanto]

Yeah, of course it's the money. What other reason could there be? Yet it was just fine until Geely. The chinese are too greedy, that is all.

Oh look a racist, famine already explained it, plus generalizing 1.4 billion people just because a company took something you wanted (which is not even true) is a bit too far.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I like how, to some, it is simply impossible that Polyphony (and by extension in this case, Sony) are never wrong, and problems are always off loaded onto someone else. Sony and Polyphony trying to play hardball with licensing rights that they can easily pay for without question? Blame the parent company of the company rightfully pointing out that they aren't getting paid enough.

What a joke.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

They definitely aren't. I've literally spoken to Geely, and Volvo, and Polestar, and Lotus, and Geely is not the reason no matter how many times people say it. I mean, I worked for Geely, writing internal brand newsletter pieces and speaking to all the PRs across the brands, so...

Lotus is simply a case of the brand feeling their agreement was not commensurate with the valuation of other brands' agreements. UK car manufacturers speak to each other pretty regularly (and have organisations for doing so), and Lotus pretty much discovered that they were getting less than an equivalent brand (not named, but I expect it to be McLaren). I suspect they were getting less money due to the contract paying out diminishing returns and the year delay on GT Sport resulting in a lower payment, but I've never had that confirmed.


Basically it's not Geely, it's money. Oh, for Polestar, they didn't want to be in games, and then Ghost Games (of the same Sweden as Polestar) approached them and asked them to be the cover car, rather than just being one brand among many.

Speaking of which, Tesla does not want to be in games either, but GTS and probably GT7 will have the 2012 Model S, which puts into perspective how long-term these contracts Sony signed truly are.

I noticed GT is one of the games where the 12C is still called "MP4-12C" and the SLR McLaren never lost its McLaren branding. Either Gran Turismo's contracts were signed a while ago or Kaz has much more leeway with manufacturers than others.

Regarding Lotus, I think I'm with Sony here. Lotus has great history, but today it simply isn't as premium as McLaren (or whichever brand they referred to). It doesn't make much sense to pay the same amount for both. On the other hand, Lotus is a great fit for Gran Turismo and Sony was short-sighted here. Due to Lotus' history and recent offerings, it's worth going the extra mile for Lotus.

One thing I'm scared of is the willingness of manufacturers to accept deals for licensing of dead brands. Automotive licensing for videogames has been increasingly commercial for a long time. To the point pretty much every track game has at least a couple SUVs because "the manufacturer wanted them in the combo". Somehow I don't see Stellantis interested in licensing Plymouth nor Lancia without a catch. It's almost a miracle Forza got Sunbeam and Hillman.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Lotus has great history, but today it simply isn't as premium as McLaren (or whichever brand they referred to). It doesn't make much sense to pay the same amount for both.

Ah yes, compared to a brand that checks notes consistently cranks out models at hyper speed to the point of diluting the entire brand significantly, and who's customer service has consistently been labeled as horrible at best.

Somehow I don't see Stellantis interested in licensing Plymouth nor Lancia without a catch.

You know as well as I do that this isn't the case by a long shot. It's simply a matter of paying the rights holder - or in the case of Stellantis (and specifically FCA Italy, which is where the most damage was done in FH5) trying to wade through the rivers of legal red tape and consolidated licensing to get it. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's almost a miracle Forza got Sunbeam and Hillman.

Both of these brands have very clear owners that one could look at on Wikipedia, and in this case, is PSA, and has been since the early 80's. Once more, it's a simple matter of reaching out to who owns the rights and paying for it. Nothing more, and nothing less. There's no sort of back scratching or 'catches' for licensing dead brands, and if you seriously think that, then I don't really know what to say.

Once more, this is a simple issue of Polyphony, and by extension Sony, deciding to play hardball when in reality, there is no need to do so. There is no outside factors dictating why Sony or Polyphony can't pay the licensing fee to get Lotus, or even Glickenhaus, since this is related. The ball is entirely in the developer and publisher's court. And they certainly have the money to pay it.

 

[Strittan]

Regarding Lotus, I think I'm with Sony here. Lotus has great history, but today it simply isn't as premium as McLaren (or whichever brand they referred to). It doesn't make much sense to pay the same amount for both. On the other hand, Lotus is a great fit for Gran Turismo and Sony was short-sighted here. Due to Lotus' history and recent offerings, it's worth going the extra mile for Lotus.

So, you think you’re with Sony, but on the other hand you’re not? Never mind.

All I know is that Lotus should be in the game, period. It’s one of the most legendary automotive companies, with a history far richer than most, certainly than McLaren. I mean, without Lotus there’d be no McLaren F1 (which to me is the only truly great road car McLaren has ever made) as Colin Chapman was Gordon Murray’s hero, and one of the reasons he went to the UK in the first place.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

Ah yes, compared to a brand that checks notes consistently cranks out models at hyper speed to the point of diluting the entire brand significantly, and who's customer service has consistently been labeled as horrible at best.

McLaren is currently at a higher level. No car made by Lotus competes with the 720S in tech, past or present.

And not just McLaren. Pretty much every exotic automaker is above Lotus right now, especially Porsche, which is the only one offering a similar product to Lotus (maybe you could count Alpine too). The Cayman is lighter than the Emira.

Lotus no longer has an F1 team associated with it (EDIT: actually they never did, due to Chapman's love for legal loopholes) and the only thing separating it from the usual British garagiste is its history. It came to that after numerous ownership changes and Chapman's mismanagement of his own companies. If anything, Lotus thanks its existence to Chapman, but its continuity to Romano Artioli.

Geely's current plans for Lotus, in fact, involve making Lotus finally abandon its niche and embrace its premium status it should've had but, for historical reasons, it lost.

That being said, I don't think it was the right decision to remove Lotus from the game. Sony had more to gain by paying Lotus' price. But they were right to question the value.

Both of these brands have very clear owners that one could look at on Wikipedia, and in this case, is PSA, and has been since the early 80's. Once more, it's a simple matter of reaching out to who owns the rights and paying for it. Nothing more, and nothing less. There's no sort of back scratching or 'catches' for licensing dead brands, and if you seriously think that, then I don't really know what to say.

Once more, this is a simple issue of Polyphony, and by extension Sony, deciding to play hardball when in reality, there is no need to do so. There is no outside factors dictating why Sony or Polyphony can't pay the licensing fee to get Lotus, or even Glickenhaus, since this is related. The ball is entirely in the developer and publisher's court. And they certainly have the money to pay it.

I'm pretty sure Kunos came out saying the only reason they added SUVs to Assetto Corsa was because Porsche requested it.

Also, I don't think it's a coincidence that several cars in FM7's DLC did not make it to FH4 despite being more suited to the latter. Brand placement is a thing.

Either way, since I don't know the scope of the negotiations, everything I say is indeed speculation based on anecdotal evidence. I could perfectly be wrong.

 

[Famine]

I noticed GT is one of the games where the 12C is still called "MP4-12C" and the SLR McLaren never lost its McLaren branding. Either Gran Turismo's contracts were signed a while ago or Kaz has much more leeway with manufacturers than others.

The Mercedes SLR McLaren is literally called that so I'm not sure how it's supposed to "lose" its McLaren "branding".

As for the 12C and the MP4-12C, 2011 and most 2012 cars are called MP4-12C, while late-2012 to 2014 cars are called 12C - roughly corresponding to the introduction of the Spider model. Here, have a picture of the inside of an MP4-12C, specifically #232 built in 2011: