Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[TS050]

McLaren is currently at a higher level. No car made by Lotus competes with the 720S in tech, past or present.

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[AlexWilmot]

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Is this a joke? You’re comparing one car to the entire McLaren lineup

 

[Samus]

Not to mention the Emira doesn't actually exist as a production model yet, and it surely didn't exist when Lotus were negotiating prices for GT Sport.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

The Mercedes SLR McLaren is literally called that so I'm not sure how it's supposed to "lose" its McLaren "branding".

As for the 12C and the MP4-12C, 2011 and most 2012 cars are called MP4-12C, while late-2012 to 2014 cars are called 12C - roughly corresponding to the introduction of the Spider model. Here, have a picture of the inside of an MP4-12C, specifically #232 built in 2011:

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Interesting. Thanks for clarification!

I asked because FM6 was the last Forza with the SLR and, in that game (and in FH2), the McLaren branding was dropped. When it comes to the 12C, I'd have to check but, if they have a 2012, there's the answer.

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McLaren has released at least 3 cars of that caliber in the last 10 years, whereas the Evija is not in production yet.

 

[TS050]

Is this a joke? You’re comparing one car to the entire McLaren lineup

Show me where I compared it to the entire McLaren lineup because I’m pretty sure I compared it to the 720S dude.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

So, I'm confused. Do the pr teams for car brands decide on licensing or no?

 

[Famine]

So, I'm confused. Are the pr teams of car brands, in general, decide on licensing or no?

Generally, yes.

In the case of almost all individual car brands there will be someone on the PR team whose job it is to interface with other brands and develop partnerships - such as licensing the brand's vehicles to game developers (through their publishers usually) - while the ultimate final decision will be with the general big PR boss at head office, wherever in the world that is.

There are some situations where that might not be the case; some brands, like Caterham in the UK, outsource their PR to specialist PR companies. It's still basically the same idea, but I can't say for certain if the brands would allow an external PR team a sufficient level of autonomy to decide on game licensing.

Stellantis is also an unusual case, but then it always has been before it was even Stellantis. In the UK at least, the PR teams for Peugeot/Citroen and DS (PSA) were pretty interchangeable, and Vauxhall was absorbed into that structure, while the FCA brands of FIAT, Alfa, and Jeep were also managed by the same team; now they're all under one roof and while I can't say that this is the case at head office where licensing decisions are made, the fact Stellantis went to the trouble of unifying UK PR teams suggests it restructured throughout and it's likely all global PR is managed by one team; there has been some recent strangeness with Stellantis licensing (see Forza Horizon 5) that suggests something like this is afoot.

As I say, that is not the case with ZGH. The brands' individual PR teams are separate, as they are with Volkswagen, Audi, Skoda, SEAT, and Porsche, and make their own decisions on this sort of thing; they absolutely speak to each other, and there are broader PR teams that deal with the entire company as a whole, but they're not "above" the brands' PRs in the sense of being able to overrule or impose decisions. Volkswagen AG doesn't control what Volkswagen, Audi, etc. does in PR terms with the budgets they've set - and in any case licensing brings money in.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

@Famine Thanks for the explanation, that helps with what I was curious about.

Hmmm, so Lotus in this case decided on their own licensing price then and not with Geely. I guess that also explains why it can be easier to license a VW than a Porsche for instance despite them being under the same umbrella.

 

[Phaceless_Ph]

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Posting a picture of a car without any context or any proof of sales or commercial success doesn't mean it's "better" than the other car (or whatever the hell it is you're trying to prove here), mainly because you won't be able to find it. On the other hand, if you emailed McLaren via the appropriate professional channels about the sales and commercial success of the 720S they'd probably have the data ready within a few hours.

Also, please read up on "Brand Value" and "Brand Equity", then apply it to the two brands in question here and ask yourself:

"Is Lotus really on the same level as McLaren?"
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There's nothing wrong with having an opinion on something, but don't force it upon others as if it's an indisputable fact when you don't have anything outside of a jpeg and no sales or commercial numbers to back it up.

 

[TS050]

This is the second person who thinks I’m talking about overall commercial success when the post I initially replied to talks about the technology in the the 720S versus any car that Lotus has made. I never implied a car was better or worse, tried to imply Lotus had greater brand heritage/value than McLaren, or tried to force any kind of opinion onto others.

It’s like my words are being misconstrued purposely. Strange

 

[Dave A]

Posting a picture of a car without any context or any proof of sales or commercial success doesn't mean it's "better" than the other car (or whatever the hell it is you're trying to prove here), mainly because you won't be able to find it. On the other hand, if you emailed McLaren via the appropriate professional channels about the sales and commercial success of the 720S they'd probably have the data ready within a few hours.

Also, please read up on "Brand Value" and "Brand Equity", then apply it to the two brands in question here and ask yourself:

"Is Lotus really on the same level as McLaren?"
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There's nothing wrong with having an opinion on something, but don't force it upon others as if it's an indisputable fact when you don't have anything outside of a jpeg and no sales or commercial numbers to back it up.

@TS020 literally quoted the post he was replying to, which if you read it, gives you all the context you need to understand his post. I'd recommend that people read before replying or move along. If you did you would see that neither posts referred to brand value or brand equity and neither posts were forcing any views on any other person. It's fine to dissagree, but at least dissagree with the point made.

 

[DS13_supergt]

this is a post on Instagram made by the official Nurburgring 24h page, interesting...

 

[Jack_10_9_8_7]

That is genuine, but look at the caption too…

 

[DS13_supergt]

That is genuine, but look at the caption too…

Yeah i know, but is always nice to see this kind of things

 

[RACECAR]

View attachment 1090879this is a post on Instagram made by the official Nurburgring 24h page, interesting...

Just gonna say I have access to photoshop, google as well as the specific font so...

 

[dimassa19]

What about the rumor these past few days that the GT7 had entered the PSN database [Chess] an internal beta?

 

[Samus]

What about the rumor these past few days that the GT7 had entered the PSN database [Chess] an internal beta?

It is, for now, a private dev beta. Not for public. Chess is just another game added at the same time, nothing to do with GT.

 

[dimassa19]

It is, for now, a private dev beta. Not for public. Chess is just another game added at the same time, nothing to do with GT.

I thought it was the code name, lol

Well, thanks anyway.

 

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[Shakengandulf]

It is, for now, a private dev beta. Not for public. Chess is just another game added at the same time, nothing to do with GT.

Im still confident of a beta happening.

At the same time, this might cement the release of March with no more delays.

 

[dimassa19]

Im still confident of a beta happening.

At the same time, this might cement the release of March with no more delays.

I agree. Plus the recent avalanche of trailers makes me think the same thing.

 

[Auditore]

I'm still surprised PD seems to be ready for the march date.I know GT7 was supposed to release this year but i was expecting one more big delay.
Maybe the outsourcing of car models helped

 

[dacc10]

Is there a reason for expecting another delay? Even as content goes, nowadays that's not really a problem, as it can be added post launch, so unless there are problems within the game, I don't see why they would delay it again.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Yeah, I don’t understand why a GT game coming out on its set release date is inconceivable to some people. GT6 released on time, so there’s every chance that GT7 will too.

 

[tankuroded]

Yeah, I don’t understand why a GT game coming out on its set release date is inconceivable to some people. GT6 released on time, so there’s every chance that GT7 will too.

GT6 does have it's share of delays, although it was a feature/mode (the X2014 Standard/Fan Car was the only one they explicitly delayed btw), not a whole game.

 

[ProjectF]

Yeah, I don’t understand why a GT game coming out on its set release date is inconceivable to some people. GT6 released on time, so there’s every chance that GT7 will too.

GT6 is the only time in history that it was released on time without changes after the first confirmation of the release date.

At that time I was young and naively thought that the GT series would never make the same mistakes again, until I met GT SPORT.

 

[Dave A]

GT6 is the only exception in GT series history where it is confirmed that there will be no postponement after the release date.

At that time I was young and naively thought that the GT series would never make the same mistakes again, until I met GT SPORT.

I dont recall that GT1 was delayed, or GT2 for that matter. But from GT3 onwards delays became pretty much normal for the series.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

GT6 is the only exception in GT series history where it is confirmed that there will be no postponement after the release date.

That doesn’t mean an on-time release can’t happen again though.

At that time I was young and naively thought that the GT series would never make the same mistakes again, until I met GT SPORT.

Sport had to be made completely from the ground up, so yeah, it getting delayed wasn’t surprising. GT7 however is using Sport as its foundation, just like GT6 used GT5.

I’m not saying a second delay is totally impossible, but I don’t see a good reason why it would be likely. We’ve been getting surprisingly regular info about the game since the September trailer. Things seem to be going smoothly.

 

[ProjectF]

That doesn’t mean an on-time release can’t happen again though.

Sport had to be made completely from the ground up, so yeah, it getting delayed wasn’t surprising. GT7 however is using Sport as its foundation, just like GT6 used GT5.

I’m not saying a second delay is totally impossible, but I don’t see a good reason why it would be likely. We’ve been getting surprisingly regular info about the game since the September trailer. Things seem to be going smoothly.

I certainly hope that they can do it again, no matter how early or late the date is, I also hope that they can release it on time once they set a clear date.

 

[Nielsen]

Is there a reason for expecting another delay? Even as content goes, nowadays that's not really a problem, as it can be added post launch, so unless there are problems within the game, I don't see why they would delay it again.

PD have a history of being perfectionists, so the current launch window probably relies greatly on their ability to make the game stable ahead of the release. We really don’t know how close GT7 currently is to matching their quality standards.

On a similar note, the recent screenshots of the main menu looked quite unfinished. Almost like an early-stage sketch lacking refinement. One can only imagine how many loose ends they may be dealing with.