Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

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I’m not overly fussed about the amended rewards, but like a few have mentioned on here already, I think they need to give roulette tickets away more readily (maybe add them for completing CE - 2 star for bronze, 3 star for silver and 4 star for gold, then maybe another 6 star when you’ve completed all CE?) and also change the weighting of the prizes so it’s a bit more likely you’ll receive the better ones, that would IMO makes things a lot better!
Me either, but then again I don’t grind the same race over and over for credits. The way I see it they are rebalancing it in preparation for new events that will be added in the future. I won’t be surprised if it gets changed again.

It took them 2 months to add GT league to GTS, I think they will start adding new content much sooner this time.
 
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I wonder what they actually think back there in PD HQ. Let's lower the prize money, then people will buy more credits with real money! Yaaayyy! That's a good idea! Let's do it!

What is PD expecting now? That we're all massively going to buy credits??

It's like Russia invading Ukraine, bomb the country, and afterwards expecting everyone to be pro-russian. 🙄

I really hope this blows up in their face!

Not a single eurocent are they getting from me. I already paid 100 euros for their game.

If they really that desperate to make money:

Give us paid DLC that is worth it. Lot's of new races, cars, new menu books, seasonal events. And fix the online so that we can earn decent credits playing with friends or sweating in Sport Mode.

Yeah, in a way I wish for no paid DLC. But if 20-50€ DLC sorts absolutely everything out, GT mode, Sport Mode, lobbies, I consider paying that. Just because:

-PS4 is most likely the last console I ever buy, for myself. PS5 is too expensive and I would need a better tv too (1080p not good enough)
-GT been a big part of my start to my car gaming hobby. Without GT3 back in the day, would probably not play on console anymore since many years
 
I’m not overly fussed about the amended rewards, but like a few have mentioned on here already, I think they need to give roulette tickets away more readily (maybe add them for completing CE - 2 star for bronze, 3 star for silver and 4 star for gold, then maybe another 6 star when you’ve completed all CE?) and also change the weighting of the prizes so it’s a bit more likely you’ll receive the better ones, that would IMO makes things a lot better!
Changing the weighting so it's not the smallest pile of coins EVERY SINGLE TIME would certainly be appreciated. Even the random tuning parts for cars I'll never want doesn't bother me anymore as, through all the tickets for the 39 Café Menus, Nat A & B Licence and the driving marathon literally every day since launch, I've only ever been given one. They might just as well not be there. I'd rather go back to GTS' Carousel of Despair!
 
Read many comments. I think I would put the bigger blame on Sony. Still, PD could have just negotiated much more on their own terms and said heck you to greedy Sony 😎😈
You say greedy Sony, but I think this more of PD’s own doing than you would like to admit. No other first party Sony title have mandatory online connection and this level of micro transactions, not to my knowledge anyway. I just started playing Horizon Forbidden West a week or so before GT7 was released, and it’s great. No micro transactions, no issues, no mandatory connection. Just a great game. Same with Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man Miles Morales and Demon’s Souls.

Why is it only Gran Turismo that is this anti-consumer product, if it’s Sony’s doing?
 
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You say greedy Sony, but I think this more of PD’s own doing than you would like to admit. No other first party Sony title have mandatory online connection and this level of micro transactions, not to my knowledge anyway. I just started playing Horizon Forbidden West a week or so before GT7 was released, and it’s great. No micro transactions, no issues, no mandatory connection. Just a great game. Same with Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man Miles Morales and Demon’s Souls.

Why is it only Gran Turismo that is this anti-consumer product, if it’s Sony’s doing?
I’m no expert, but a point can be made in that there’s a lot of old-timers that are nostalgic for Gran Turismo. That target audience is a bit older, as the series is quite a bit older than the (R&C excluded maybe) games you’re mentioning.

That demographic has less time today, but a lot more money. I bet they’re hoping to cash in through these exact players.
 
I hope you are wrong, but you could well be right. I believe that PD are not willing to throw away their hard-earned reputation quite as cheaply as this though, and I hope that they at least take some of the major criticism that is coming their way over GT7 to heart and do something about it that at least helps to restore the faith of loyal fans to some extent.
And here's the worst part: when it backfires, the sales drop, the reviews plummet, active players drop below 25k a week and there's zero enthusiasm to Gran Turismo 8 as a result, Gran Turismo and Polyphony Digital will become next big IP that Sony mothballs.

They're probably already keeping a spot for it warm right next to WipEout and Studio Liverpool.
 
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Yeah, in a way I wish for no paid DLC. But if 20-50€ DLC sorts absolutely everything out, GT mode, Sport Mode, lobbies, I consider paying that. Just because:

-PS4 is most likely the last console I ever buy, for myself. PS5 is too expensive and I would need a better tv too (1080p not good enough)
-GT been a big part of my start to my car gaming hobby. Without GT3 back in the day, would probably not play on console anymore since many years
I don't wish for paid DLC either. I expected a game like GT4 or GT5 content-wise. But it's not. The fact that we are getting free DLC that will give us more content i'm ok with. But i rather take paid DLC from time to time with DECENT content, then this MT bs.

If you grinded an hour and half on Fishersmans Ranch you could get close to 2 million credits. They are asking 19.99!! euro's for the same amount of credits. Come on, who pays for this?
 
I’m no expert, but a point can be made in that there’s a lot of old-timers that are nostalgic for Gran Turismo. That target audience is a bit older, as the series is quite a bit older than the (R&C excluded maybe) games you’re mentioning.

That demographic has less time today, but a lot more money. I bet they’re hoping to cash in through these exact players.
But I’d quite confidently say that this demographic you’re referring to are the least likely to pay for micro transactions, or am I the exception? I’ve been a fan since the first game, and I’m definitely among those who’re the most upset about these things.
 
You say greedy Sony, but I think this more of PD’s own doing than you would like to admit. No other first party Sony title have mandatory online connection and this level of micro transactions, not to my knowledge anyway. I just started playing Horizon Forbidden West a week or so before GT7 was released, and it’s great. No micro transactions, no issues, no mandatory connection. Just a great game. Same with Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man Miles Morales and Demon’s Souls.

Why is it only Gran Turismo that is this anti-consumer product, if it’s Sony’s doing?
I wonder why?

Always online is 100% PD, but MT and low payouts? yeah thats sony considering all MT revenue goes to them.
 
You say greedy Sony, but I think this more of PD’s own doing than you would like to admit. No other first party Sony title have mandatory online connection and this level of micro transactions, not to my knowledge anyway. I just started playing Horizon Forbidden West a week or so before GT7 was released, and it’s great. No micro transactions, no issues, no mandatory connection. Just a great game. Same with Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man Miles Morales and Demon’s Souls.

Why is it only Gran Turismo that is this anti-consumer product, if it’s Sony’s doing?
Yet. Sony has confirmed they have 10 new online service games on track to be available 2025/2026. This is just the beginning and probably has more to do with the direction Sony is going than what PD wants to do.
 
I switched to Arcade mode and actually had a really fun race, even though there's only one car available that I wanted to use. I was about to say that will do me for the moment, but now the game has crashed. Seriously?? One game offline and the game's crashed?!
Same thing happened to me. I'm relieved (and dismayed) that this was a PD issue not my console.

Is anyone hoping the payouts are missing a "1" in front of the payouts, like Gr4 at HSR being $135,000? Yea, I know.....:grumpy:
 
But I’d quite confidently say that this demographic you’re referring to are the least likely to pay for micro transactions, or am I the exception? I’ve been a fan since the first game, and I’m definitely among those who’re the most upset about these things.
Absolutely, I am amongst those as well. They will not be getting a dime extra, all they had to do was be satisfied with me paying extra for the deluxe (which was already something I was hesitant on doing).

This is either pure greed or massive incompetency. Knowing the amount of detail and thought PD puts into their games, I don’t have to second guess what is the case here.
 
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Just to play Devil's Advocate for a moment; if every third post (not just here, in fairness) wasn't about the best three grinds to get 20m credits by midnight on launch day, would PD & Sony have left that side of things as it was?
Or hearing about the grind and actually benefit the player. Not only by the payout but also the other artificial scarcity like the invitations.
You say greedy Sony, but I think this more of PD’s own doing than you would like to admit. No other first party Sony title have mandatory online connection and this level of micro transactions, not to my knowledge anyway. I just started playing Horizon Forbidden West a week or so before GT7 was released, and it’s great. No micro transactions, no issues, no mandatory connection. Just a great game. Same with Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man Miles Morales and Demon’s Souls.
Horizon Forbidden West, Ratchet and Clank, Spider-Man Miles Morals, and Demon's Souls shouldn't be perfect games either. But either way PD is a lowkey black sheep over their utter incompetence in gaming part of the game.
 
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Yet. Sony has confirmed they have 10 new online service games on track to be available 2025/2026. This is just the beginning and probably has more to do with the direction Sony is going than what PD wants to do.
Considering the amount MTX makes, it does makes sense why Sony wants live service games. even though its very very anti consumer
 
PD really wants to sell you those sweet credits.
Get the credit card ready /s
At least, I already have some of the cars I wanted. Only problem now, the LMP cars that were once 1mil, have skyrocketed to 3mil and I’m not that enthused to add them to my garage. Would get them just to have a higher class, for my custom races. I prefer Gr.4 and under. So, I could just not buy them.
 
Who cares if it's Sony or Polyphony? Is it the tree or a branch of the tree? It doesn't matter, cut the branch and watch the tree to see if the problem exists in its other branches.
GT is Sony's longest active IP. Polyphony are a first party studio and Kaz has been a major player at Sony from the beginning. You're right that it doesn't really matter whose decision this is.. it's near enough the same decision.
 
I’m no expert, but a point can be made in that there’s a lot of old-timers that are nostalgic for Gran Turismo. That target audience is a bit older, as the series is quite a bit older than the (R&C excluded maybe) games you’re mentioning.

That demographic has less time today, but a lot more money. I bet they’re hoping to cash in through these exact players.
Not to mention GT7 is basically a game as a service and relies heavily on being online and the only way to receive the free DLC is by having an online connection. All these other games are not service based games. Most of the patches are not for free DLC they are for bug fixes and small content such as new armor for Aloy.
 
GT is Sony's longest active IP. Polyphony are a first party studio and Kaz has been a major player at Sony from the beginning. You're right that it doesn't really matter whose decision this is.. it's near enough the same decision.
I personally think some of the budget that's frittered away on Polyphony would be better spent on making a PS5 WipEout and marketing it properly as opposed to a couple of banner ads here on the internet.
 
Yet. Sony has confirmed they have 10 new online service games on track to be available 2025/2026. This is just the beginning and probably has more to do with the direction Sony is going than what PD wants to do.
Let’s take the mandatory internet connection as an example. That was already a thing in GT Sport, to many people’s disgust. Not a single first party Sony game to my knowing has demanded a constant online connection in order to progress through the campaign/story since then, not until GT7. So is it feels to me like, if not micro transactions, then at least the mandatory internet connection is on PD, not Sony.
I wonder why?

Always online is 100% PD, but MT and low payouts? yeah thats sony considering all MT revenue goes to them.
One feeds the other, the way I see it. Why are there no micro transactions in other Sony titles, other than for cosmetics and alike?
 
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I personally think some of the budget that's frittered away on Polyphony would be better spent on making a PS5 WipEout and marketing it properly as opposed to a couple of banner ads here on the internet.
Well Wipeout is the only series I like more than GT, so this is music to my ears.

The long leash that Polyphony gets when the likes of Studio Liverpool and Evolution are shut down, with IP like Wipeout and Motorstorm left in the garbage heap, has been a long term annoyance of mine for years.
 
The trouble is, some loyal players who have played the entire GT series over the last 25 years have waited very patiently and for a very long time to see some of these cars, tracks, features etc. in the GT series, but to then face the prospect of not even being able to access some of that content is very disappointing indeed. You mention the premium content cars in GT Sport... well, much of that will remain forever beyond my reach. I would hate for the same thing to not only be repeated but amplified in GT7.

I accept your general point about the game having years of shelf-life, and yes, I also accept that it is not unreasonable to reserve some of the most sought-after content for those who expend the most effort with the game, but there does need to be a limit... and when dedicated players can end up not accessing some of the most desirable content in the game at all (unless they are willing to pay stupid money - many cars would cost more than the game itself) it is a very poor situation indeed.
I understand, but GT7 is only here since weeks.

Of course, at this moment, nobody can see how to have a 10million car without running 1000 times the same race.
The thing is, nobody know how the game will be in the next months too for example. This game is here for years, and during this time... what sort of new events will come, with new rewards.

I'm maybe wrong, and maybe PD will not add events with big rewards to help the players. But the game didn't reach his first birthday month.

I'm more disappointed concerning the all-online side of the game.
 
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I can't tell whether we're supposed to take this seriously or if this is a copypasta from reddit :ill:
GT7's success is calculated by player numbers, if there is enough of a percentage of players that all of a sudden stop playing after the 1.07 patch. They will investigate and research what the possible culprit could be. No they won't assume that a percentage of players would have died at exactly the same time! :lol:
 
Let’s take the mandatory internet connection as an example. That was already a thing in GT Sport, to many people’s disgust. Not a single first party Sony game to my knowing has demanded a constant online connection in order to progress through the campaign/story since then, not until GT7. So is it feels to me like, if not micro transactions, then at least the mandatory internet connection is on PD, not Sony.

One feeds the other, the way I see it. Why are there no micro transactions in other Sony titles, other than for cosmetics and alike?
Always Online was always at the start of GTS, back when PD were still planning to use the Paid DLC model rather than MTX. So i dont think its because of MTX.

Because were in the beginning of the Sony live service era, theyre probably testing the waters with this ****. Lets see if Factions 2 will have MTX in it, because im 99% sure it will and many others will come. Also, most sony titles are single player only. in the last decade they have 3 games (besides GT) that have multiplayer, 2/3 have MTX.
 
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Exactly. What the game needs is more content. I bet if the rewards were higher, all things equal, people would have finished every single player race/mission/license and have all the cars in a few months. And then they would complain there was nothing else to play for.

They need to strike a nice balance between content (which collecting cars is part of) and rewards. I’m not saying they nailed it but imo it’s mostly because of lack of content with a springle of low rewards for custom races/sport mode.
 
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