Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread
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Sounds a lot like Trackmania, since literally forever.
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- RandomCarGuy17
I can agree that we're all satisfied with different things. But I can't appreciate what GT7 has to offer, because for each thing I want to enjoy with the game, it keeps coming with a catch. Free updates, which amount to just 3 events and a couple of menu books on average. Yes, there's new cars added, but after doing the new races; I'm back to square one. Doing hotlaps, taking some pictures before finally clicking off the game again and going to play something else.
and well, I'm not going to repeat myself with points already said regarding issues with this game.
I haven't either, but I have met games that got way closer to perfection than this one in what they're trying to do.
and the first sentence goes back to my point. The choices we've seen right now in GT7 in regards to A.I. in custom races or in GT Cafe aren't down to limitations they have. Even before sophy, they had shown they can make more fun and challenging A.I. to race against, but they simply choose not to do it. There's specific races in GT Cafe mode that prove that.
Fully fleshed out in this context is talking about the single-race structure for GT Cafe mode, the stand-in for what would be Gran Turismo mode in a past GT title. In which, Polyphony Digital being the huge studio it is has the resources to do this. This isn't challenging like you think it is. They didn't need to make sophy, they just needed to make better use of what they had.
Going to continue disagreeing with this.
No, my stated preference would be to concentrate on both and they should be able to have done that. Yes, online won't impact me as I prefer single-player racing, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize those problems. I just didn't bring them up here as it wasn't relevant to this discussion and since I don't play online; I'm not educated enough to know the issues with it. If there are things the fans are complaining about there, then I still recognize them as problems.
Okay, I think you're confused on what players like me are complaining about.
GT4 and GT Sport's singleplayer career modes are brought up continuously due to GT4 being considered the peak of GT by most fans of the series and GT Sport is just the most recent game released before this one. They're being used as benchmarks for what a GT career mode should be.
However, that doesn't mean I or other players want a copy/paste of those exactly. Most of us like you said have a preference in what we want the career mode to be, but we all share one common thing. We want the career mode to be lengthy and fun. Which is NOT the case here. GT Cafe was too short and custom race mode doesn't have enough options nor satisfying enough A.I. to make up the difference...
and once again, they didn't do it well enough. If the continuous complaint about the GT Cafe mode and custom races are still present, then that means they didn't adhere to single-player racing enough. and they clearly don't show any interest in doing so since there's things previously promised that aren't here yet.
and you don't have to agree.
I will agree that there will always be people not satisfied with the economy of a game no matter what PD or Turn 10 did with their career mode choices like you said. However once again, I still fully believe that the complaints can be significantly minimized if they structured their economy system better.
I can also say the same with FM23's career, if Turn 10 structured the part unlock system to be tied to not each car, but maybe the brand or racing category; I bet that would've been recieved way better. The complaints are just down to a balancing issue really, which I believe both studios are easily capable of fixing. Turn 10 technically has fixed their issue and I think their economy system was pretty good outside the parts thing.
Depends if Polyphony Digital ever finds middle ground themselves.
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It is evident that in all that you mention about Gran Turismo 7 it is better than Gran Turismo 4, but there is one thing, at least for me and for many that surpasses it, its Arcade mode
And I know that for some this is ridiculous but it is incredible the detail and care that was previously in that mode and that after four wonderful games they went from giving it love to treating it like a garbage mode
If Yamaychi added all the cars available on Custom Race Mode, believe me, many people would be quite happy
Because I'll say it again, a lot of people don't want to collect or buy a car worth 20 million credits, plus all the time it would take to have to spend for just one damn car.
Yamauchi must realize that the public has changed, he must stop the obsession of collecting cars and listen to his players.
If there are people who want to collect, let them do it, but let people choose what they want without PD putting up barriers.
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I remember wanting to drive an LMP car back on GT4 (there was a demo video using them), but none of them were available in Arcade mode by default.
So I had to win and sell about 15 Toyota RSC Rally Raid Cars to have 4.5 million credits, enough to buy a Pescarolo C60. After that I could use it in either mode.
That was kind of like the equivalent of the 20 million credit cars at the time, although LMP's now cost between 1 & 3 million.
Thankfully the credit cheat codes were found to make buying all the other race/rallycars easier. Plus the event gold cheat for cars you can't buy, but have to win.
So although GT4 had a lot of cars available in its Arcade mode by default, it didn't cover all bases nor have complete freedom of the car list, which from what you've said would be your ideal situation.
Side note. I then found out that the car can gain speed just by cornering, with no throttle input. I think it's something to do with how the downforce system worked back then, which wouldn't be noticable on most cars due to them not having high enough downforce. Bit of a weird one.
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The gameplay of GT7 (physics, graphics and sounds) far outweighs any previous GT. The older games had much better structure, but they were never addictive for me like GT7 - thanks to its gameplay.
I will even argue that GT7 also has the best car list. Of course, there were so many cars in GT6 but it was quantity over quality with myriads of near duplicates and many very pixelated models. In GT7 the car modelling is superb across the board and there are hardly any fillers, except the semi-fictional Gr. cars from GT Sport.
I will even argue that GT7 also has the best car list. Of course, there were so many cars in GT6 but it was quantity over quality with myriads of near duplicates and many very pixelated models. In GT7 the car modelling is superb across the board and there are hardly any fillers, except the semi-fictional Gr. cars from GT Sport.
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Last weekend I went back to GT4 to do the Infineon endurance race, 2h 45m 117 laps. I liked the sense of accomplishment when doing those races. You don’t get that in custom races. Even if they added endurance races to GT7 they need to add a reason to do it besides credits, like a special edition car for example 🤷🏻♂️
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For sure was cool to have cars that money can’t buy.
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- SpacedustDaddy
I’m not sure PD added Custom Racing to fix anything. The Weekly races were added. It’s like a reason it took so long to get a proper livery editor.
In GT5P, GT5 and GT6, we saw it as a mix of Racing Modification, Base Models and color chips.
I remember Kaz saying how amazed he was with players creativity with Liver Editor. Hence why, as pointed out by Famine in regards to sponsor licencing for race cars, we see less race cars and more cars that can be recreated into those versions. We even see PD do this for certain in game events.
It comes down to why why why?
Why not have the Practice Mode from GT4?
Why not have qualifying from the earlier GTs?
Why not have 24H races? 24h multiplier isn’t a fix.
Why not have course creator?
Why so few Championship races?
Why all the one and done races(which Kaz preempted before the Missions races)?
Why the lack of certain cars(regardless of the real life cars destroyed, switching hands of brands, etc.) when PD boasted of its manufacturer relationships? We can see relationships are strong with the VGT program.
There are long lists of whys in most complaint threads.
Should be a GT vs GT thread.
In GT5P, GT5 and GT6, we saw it as a mix of Racing Modification, Base Models and color chips.
I remember Kaz saying how amazed he was with players creativity with Liver Editor. Hence why, as pointed out by Famine in regards to sponsor licencing for race cars, we see less race cars and more cars that can be recreated into those versions. We even see PD do this for certain in game events.
It comes down to why why why?
Why not have the Practice Mode from GT4?
Why not have qualifying from the earlier GTs?
Why not have 24H races? 24h multiplier isn’t a fix.
Why not have course creator?
Why so few Championship races?
Why all the one and done races(which Kaz preempted before the Missions races)?
Why the lack of certain cars(regardless of the real life cars destroyed, switching hands of brands, etc.) when PD boasted of its manufacturer relationships? We can see relationships are strong with the VGT program.
There are long lists of whys in most complaint threads.
Should be a GT vs GT thread.
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Question:
I'm not very good with remembering track-layouts. Is there maybe a list of layouts that are not part of any world circuit events. I have the feeling that PD delivered a lot of layouts but many are not really used a lot. I am thinking about creating a custom championship of underappreciated layouts.
Thank you!
I'm not very good with remembering track-layouts. Is there maybe a list of layouts that are not part of any world circuit events. I have the feeling that PD delivered a lot of layouts but many are not really used a lot. I am thinking about creating a custom championship of underappreciated layouts.
Thank you!
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this whole GT vs GT discussion probably needs its own thread 
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Preferably not on this sitethis whole GT vs GT discussion probably needs its own thread
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The only reason why any of us go back to GT4 is the career mode. Take that away and it's rubbish compared to GT7. The core driving mechanics, the sounds and the graphics do not hold up, even if the presentation does. How can any of you sit here and complain about the game structure when everything else has improved? GT4 was a great game for the time but I can't bare going back to it now because it's OLD.
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As one of "us", I also go back to GT4 for the splitscreen, which is vastly superior to any GT that came after.
But I feel like this discussion has degraded to "do you still enjoy playing old games?"
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It's OK to play old games but they do have their issues which most modern games have solved. Proclaiming that the old game is objectively "better", despite evidence pointing to the contrary, is silly.
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Why drag races are just on missions and we do not have a real mode where we can do it or online against people. 🤣🤣 i mean, the list is quite long
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I agree, whats holding back gt7 is the career mode, but i think it sad when people forget all the improvments the made to gt7,
1 The sounds is massivly better, and not only that upgrades changes how the cars sounds , not just exhaust but even other upgrades, in older gt games all sound changes was quite basic, in gt7 it works almost different for each car.
Putting exhaust changes visually as well.
Pd attention to detail is mindblowing
2 cars feel so much better to drive as well,
Rain physics is also the best its ever has been.
3 visuals is really good specially the car models is fantastic. They really step up their game and through out all the low quality car models. And vr experince is also very good. Sure not for everyone.
4 customize options is also the best it has been, regardless of the tuning shop or gt auto, for the first time we have been able to turbo charge the Honda nsx,
And this is the reason i always come to play gt7 more than any other gran turismo game, and what gets me excited when their is new car i am intrested in.
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Is anyone else having trouble starting up the game right now?
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- UnkaD
No one is refuting those points. Criticizing one of the game's biggest shortcomings does not mean a lack of appreciation for its strengths. And why does one of the series core elements become worse over time when virtually everything else has improved? Even when we see flashes of its potential within the game already. Yet that's all we get; a small taste of what they could do, of what the game could be if they decided it so.
I love the game to death, but the career/campaign sucks. Simple as that. And the custom race feature has way too many holes to pick up the slack.
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I think that the next 2 big updates will sort this out to some extent or maybe fix it completely.. With Spec 2 they've already increased the number of events available plus the addition of the weekly challenges... Imagine what they could do with the next and next after... This game has still the potential to become the GOAT GT game
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