Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[Skython]

I would very much like it if Forza Motorsport to be released on PS5. Maybe that would give PD the kick up the arse they need.

Trouble is that they too would have to try and make a decent game first.

 

[BrunusCL82]

I feel very comfortable predicting PD are never going to make a primarily racing car/motorsports-focused Gran Turismo game again, GT Sport 2 or otherwise.

There's too many road car models in the game now that they won't throw away, too many manufacturers who they have rebuilt good relationships with and who like the exposure their road cars have in the game. Plus the memory of all the mediocre reviews of launch GT Sport saying "this isn't really Gran Turismo, where's the road cars and progression" - and both SIE and PD historically care a lot about review scores. Then you add MFGT being road car-exclusive as well, and I just don't think keeping up with the modern racing car treadmill is what they want the series to do.

If simulation of modern racing series is what you're looking for, I just don't think this is going to be the series for you going forward to be honest.

I don't think so.

Firstly, the sport mode — the apple of PD's eye — is mostly built on the racing car stereotype. It is because of the sport mode that PD created four categories of racing cars (Gr.1 — Gr.4).

According to PD-Yamauchi, historically, it have always liked racing cars, to the point of even resorting to fictional models. What is the rational basis for believing that the PD would be abandoning the racing cars? I see exactly the opposite of your speculation.

PD is increasingly dedicated to GT racing cars, to the point of creating this revolutionary game design that debuted in GT Sport. But you ask me: then why didn't PD launch an important number of new racing cars for GT7?

I would say that, firstly, from a utilitarian point of view, it is not necessary. There are enough and varied cars to promote the championships. And secondly, from a marketing point of view, new cars (such as some LMh and new GT3 cars) are being stocked to serve as an attraction and one of the reasons to buy GT Sport 2 or GT8.

The GT franchise has always worked in two ways — street cars and race cars. But in the last decade, PD has dedicated more to racing car game design. The GT World Series championships, for example, are 80% held with racing cars.

I would prefer PD to launch GT8. But wishful thinking aside, I suspect PD is working on GT Sport 2 because of the scarcity of modern race cars in the GT7 updates. I suspect PD is saving these cars for a new game, just like it did with GT Sport when it released several debut and original race cars, Gr.3 and Gr.4 models especially.

 

[needfspeed999]

So funny seeing this cycle again. What is wrong in GT7 was wrong in GT Sport, wrong in GT6 and started being wrong in GT5.

I have no idea why people still hold out with the blind hope that GT8 will suddenly change the game design mindset that turned Sophy into a chase the rabbit or purposefully limits the throttle of AI in custom races to 95%.
The game is how they want it to be. You think they wouldn't just add an event that isn't the 472nd instance of a Sunday Cup in an update if they wanted to? They're not going to be beholden to doing that - they do it because that's their mindset and that's not going to drastically change with a new instalment.

Finally someone said it. The same thing all over again.
GT8 is not gonna be anything more than GT7 with a bunch of more cars and 1 or 2 more tracks (and tons of nostalgia bait again to sell out lol) Forget about proper singleplayer mode, good AI and online features.
You guys asked for it by glorifying Kaz for every thing he does/says, treating him like a god instead of adressing the issues.

It's gonna be so fun watching people's reaction to GT8 if it'll turn out like that lol, players getting made fun of by PD since what, 2010?

But i guess the only important thing is cool graphics, right?

 

[Doncarlone]

Finally someone said it. The same thing all over again.
GT8 is not gonna be anything more than GT7 with a bunch of more cars and 1 or 2 more tracks (and tons of nostalgia bait again to sell out lol) Forget about proper singleplayer mode, good AI and online features.
You guys asked for it by glorifying Kaz for every thing he does/says, treating him like a god instead of adressing the issues.

It's gonna be so fun watching people's reaction to GT8 if it'll turn out like that lol, players getting made fun of by PD since what, 2010?

But i guess the only important thing is cool graphics, right?

My first prediction for gt8:
Players will complain it takes longer to earn credits than in gt7.

 

[Lomic]

You guys asked for it by glorifying Kaz for every thing he does/says

Please stop making generalizations like this, it is annoying, to keep polite.

 

[OultonP]

I would prefer PD to launch GT8. But wishful thinking aside, I suspect PD is working on GT Sport 2 because of the scarcity of modern race cars in the GT7 updates. I suspect PD is saving these cars for a new game, just like it did with GT Sport when it released several debut and original race cars, Gr.3 and Gr.4 models especially.

There's no logic bringing back a tarnished brand in GT Sport after all the hard work PD & Sony have put into reviving the Gran Turismo franchise with GT7. The official line may say different, but it seems obvious GT Sport came about as PD only had time to release a smaller title, so this was a convenient workaround.

GT Sport offers nothing that isn't in GT7 - in fact the online portions of the game are far more extensive - in addition to a single-player mode. For the next title PD will build on this with GT8, as they did with GT2, GT4, GT6. It's clear they have been holding back modern race cars, and arguably tracks. But as others have said these will be the major selling points for GT8 - alongside full implementation of GT Sophy - and likely other game modes/features that where not feasible on PS4.

I don't like to use the word comfortable as game development in very challenging. But unlike many other studios, who are adopting new technology and building game worlds and mechanics from scratch. PD have the technical foundations and much of their content ready to go for their next title. They can focus on game structure, technical refinements, and addressing shortcomings highlighted by the community.

It wouldn't surprise me if we get another 6-12 months of updates with GT8 announced for a '26 launch.

 

[Fezzik]

It wouldn't surprise me if we get another 6-12 months of updates with GT8 announced for a '26 launch.

I would be extremely surprised, honestly astonished, if they managed to develop and release a AAA game in 4 years considering current game dev timelines. Even more so considering they have been developing GT7 over the last 2 years, they didn't stop immediately after release and switch to a follow-up.

 

[PuffelPizza]

Here's why I think we won't be getting GT8 for a while:


Kaz just made the announcement they started working on it. (It is not even known if it's GT8, it could be GT Sport 2)

It is very clear that PD wants to increase marketing for GT7, which is why they made MFGT.

Speaking of MFGT, Kaz said that he wants to expand it in the future.

 

[newmedia_dev]

As long as the GAAS/Live service crap doesn't turn in to the FIFA/Cod levels of stuff.

What will be will be. You can't please all of the people all of the time.

 

[Nakano219]

The other thing about a game set around modern race cars is, outside of IMSA who do license out LMDhs/GTPs like candy (PD should really talk to them, it'd be a good PR win), licensors are increasingly preferring their own standalone games and/or iRacing these days. A few examples:

• The only 2 2020s F1 cars I can think of outside of the licensed F1 games are the 2020 Mercedes in iRacing and the Red Bull in The Crew.
• The only 2 LMHs outside of officially licensed LMU are the GR010 here and the 499P that just got added to iRacing.
• The cars in GT5/6 might still be the most modern rally cars outside of the official WRC series, modern versions of these don't really show up at all.
• The current Indycar is iRacing-exclusive.
• NASCAR's current generation of cars is only iRacing and Forza.
• Super Formula is GT7 and iRacing exclusive.
• Super GT GT500 doesn't exist in modern form anywhere, The only GT300s are the BRZ GT300 and Lexus GT3 livery we have here.
• DTM may as well be RaceRoom exclusive, except for the RS5 we have here.
• Current-gen V8 Supercars is iRacing-exclusive (Forza just got the old generation models back; claiming that is like claiming PD have modern Super GT GT500 from the 2016 models)
• Basically every GT3 model that's been added to anything other than officially licensed ACC in the past couple of years has come in a factory base livery (or a custom livery like we got the '18 GT-R in) rather than a racing team livery.

I don't profess to know the reasons at all, but it's clear most racing series licensors are either being more picky with where they license or aren't being approached by many places for their licenses.

 

[Clinton Ducks]

GT Sport offers nothing that isn't in GT7 - in fact the online portions of the game are far more extensive - in addition to a single-player mode.

A few weeks ago I decided to give Sport a little spin, mainly just to compare the physics models. It was when GT7’s physics update was new and I was struggling to get to grips with at first. Sport’s single player content is actually pretty good. It doesn’t have as much stuff as GT7’s event directory, but what is in there, to me, is a bit better quality (like the drivetrain challenges not having the ridiculous nationality restrictions) and has better variety.

Honestly they could so easily just transplant all the races that’re in GT Sport’s SP mode that are missing in GT7’s event directory overnight, and with hardly any effort (I’m sure) it’d improve GT7 vastly.

It’s almost craziness not to!

 

[Keef]

Not very related but just so everyone knows, Adam LZ is giving away a yellow Evo 5 currently. Epic troll lol.

 

[05XR8]

Kaz said GT players weren’t ready for GT Sport.

It’s also a bit ironic when some say there weren’t enough road cars in GT Sport Yes there are. It’s that we couldn’t tune them as much as we could in the past games.
PD even gave us vehicles in all guises: road car, Gr.4(GT4) and Gr.3(GT3) and even off-road and Gr.3 road versions.
Mustang, WRX and NSX could be had in all flavors. The “GT-R” could even be had in an LM and so to speak VGT spec.

GT7 have brought back the lineage of cars. I figure the next game will do the same. Wouldn’t make sense to do a GT Sport 2 when there’s a Sport Mode in GT7. There doesn’t need to be a say, smaller game to just feature Sport Mode racing. PD do their PDLogic, but My First GT seems like that “app” will do the honors of some type of spillage.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see as always.

 

[BrunusCL82]

The other thing about a game set around modern race cars is, outside of IMSA who do license out LMDhs/GTPs like candy (PD should really talk to them, it'd be a good PR win), licensors are increasingly preferring their own standalone games and/or iRacing these days. A few examples:

• The only 2 2020s F1 cars I can think of outside of the licensed F1 games are the 2020 Mercedes in iRacing and the Red Bull in The Crew.
• The only 2 LMHs outside of officially licensed LMU are the GR010 here and the 499P that just got added to iRacing.
• The cars in GT5/6 might still be the most modern rally cars outside of the official WRC series, modern versions of these don't really show up at all.
• The current Indycar is iRacing-exclusive.
• NASCAR's current generation of cars is only iRacing and Forza.
• Super Formula is GT7 and iRacing exclusive.
• Super GT GT500 doesn't exist in modern form anywhere, The only GT300s are the BRZ GT300 and Lexus GT3 livery we have here.
• DTM may as well be RaceRoom exclusive, except for the RS5 we have here.
• Current-gen V8 Supercars is iRacing-exclusive (Forza just got the old generation models back; claiming that is like claiming PD have modern Super GT GT500 from the 2016 models)
• Basically every GT3 model that's been added to anything other than officially licensed ACC in the past couple of years has come in a factory base livery (or a custom livery like we got the '18 GT-R in) rather than a racing team livery.

I don't profess to know the reasons at all, but it's clear most racing series licensors are either being more picky with where they license or aren't being approached by many places for their licenses.

Either PD has a business vision focused on its own identity to strengthen the GT franchise, or PD does not receive the necessary budget to close agreements with motorsport leagues to exchange assets.

It's hard to know. Especially because PD has sponsored Super GT for many years, sponsors Pikes Peak, sponsors some GT3 teams, and has not transferred the most important assets from these leagues to the game. In the end, I only saw something important with Super Formula, but it still didn't bring the other racetracks of the season, such as Sugo and Okayama.

It would be very helpful if PD closed agreements with Super GT, IndyCar, DTM or IMSA to bring classic and modern cars, as well as circuits; if indeed these leagues have legal rights to the image of these cars.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Either PD has a business vision focused on its own identity to strengthen the GT franchise, or PD does not receive the necessary budget to close agreements with motorsport leagues to exchange assets.

They literally lost their commercial esports licences to ACC

They have the money, the appetite is waining it appears.

Have they backed the right horse in fanatec who knows.

My gut feeling is that the game will either do the game stuff or double down on esports. But if I was Sony I'd bring/buy ACC in house and give them some internal competition

 

[Nebuc72]

Considering the money they supposedly lose with each GTWS event, I would be very surprised to see them focus on it again with the next instalment.