Gran Turismo HD officially canned - Next stop is GT5

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Waitaminute... did someone bring up principle? are you kidding?

You're invoking Principle because a business that has developed a product wants to sell it to you at a profit?

Do you complainers think you are entitled to set Sony and PD's prices for them? If you don't think the product is worth the price, don't buy it! Problem solved!

Want to hear about principles? In a couple of months you'll be sitting in your safe homes playing GTHD on a thousand+ dollar gaming system (PS3 + HDTV) moaning about "having" to pay $.50 for each virtual car you want to drive...

Meanwhile all over the world men, women, and children are dying because they can't get $.50 worth of clean water.

I hate to sound melodramatic, but it's true...

It's pathetic that some of you think you have it rough in life because you have to pay for your entertainment.

I'm really losing respect for many of the posters on this board.
 
Actually, it's not the $0.50-$0.80 that we're complaining about (as if you've only ever used one car in GT4...). It's the fact that consumers will have to pay $400-$800 for content that used to be available for $50 (and may still be available for $50 elsewhere, depending on how many cars and tracks Forza 2 ends up having...). Will everyone really want to buy/drive every car and track in the game? No, but it'll be really easy to fill up that $50 with cars and tracks that you do want, and you'll still be getting ripped off all the same.

As for your "easy life" point, BuzzOrHowl, it's rather unnecessary. There are many better examples of the wasteful lives that we civilians of "western civilization" lead, such as the food/water/fuel/paper that we waste, and you take offense to the fact that we don't want some megalomaniacal Japanese industry giant to rip us off with a console and videogame that many people feel are turning out to be far too expensive?

What would you rather have us do -- fly over these desolate, third-world areas and dump bags of money out of the airplane window? Sell our house and try to get by living out of a cardboard box just because? We may have it easy, but that doesn't mean we have to smile and take it up the bum from corporations just because things could be worse. To believe that we should do so is positively ludicrous, if you ask me.
 
Maybe I missed the info but does anybody knows what will be minimal requirements for broadband connection for thin new GTHD???

Upload / Download??
 
Well said Wolfe2x7.

Its just all a bit confusing at the moment. We really dont know which way is up. I can't stand it when corporations make things so damn mysterious. Things dont sound really good with all this microtransaction kerfuffle. Its really not blowing my skirt up at all (at least.. not with the way Sony and PD seem to be hinting its going to be like). If it was like XBLive which i have experienced via X360. Thats fine. But otherwise, i have a very sour and disapointed taste in my mouth. But still pending final decisions on some kind of solid evidence. IF it should damn well come to light when even the console is released with some damn software finally.
 
HoffY
Its just all a bit confusing at the moment. We really dont know which way is up. I can't stand it when corporations make things so damn mysterious....But still pending final decisions on some kind of solid evidence. IF it should damn well come to light when even the console is released with some damn software finally.
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That is true, very little of this has been confirmed so far. However, in the past, Polyphony Digital, or more specifically, Kazunori Yamauchi, have been quick to deny any untrue rumors. The fact that the prices listed in the first post of this thread (which must be circulating the internet as we speak) haven't been denied/corrected leaves me with the feeling that we're looking at the real deal, here. As for the other items mentioned in the first post, many of them have been confirmed, if only informally in interviews with Yamauchi.
 
nathan_walls
btw, this is my first post ever on gtplanet :D
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welcome to GTP 👍.

BuzzOrHowl
Waitaminute... did someone bring up principle? are you kidding?

You're invoking Principle because a business that has developed a product wants to sell it to you at a profit?

Do you complainers think you are entitled to set Sony and PD's prices for them? If you don't think the product is worth the price, don't buy it! Problem solved!

Want to hear about principles? In a couple of months you'll be sitting in your safe homes playing GTHD on a thousand+ dollar gaming system (PS3 + HDTV) moaning about "having" to pay $.50 for each virtual car you want to drive...

Meanwhile all over the world men, women, and children are dying because they can't get $.50 worth of clean water.

I hate to sound melodramatic, but it's true...

It's pathetic that some of you think you have it rough in life because you have to pay for your entertainment.

I'm really losing respect for many of the posters on this board.
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You don't seem to be understanding either the point or the principal, which Wolfe has dealt with. As far as losing respect goes you won't have any at all to lose making posts like that. I don't see you cancelling your niterent service soyou can give the money you spend on it to some charity that helps starving kids. But also none of that has any bearing on any of this.
 
Fizio
Maybe I missed the info but does anybody knows what will be minimal requirements for broadband connection for thin new GTHD???

Upload / Download??
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No news my dear friend :(.

Still, current ADSL we all have is more then enough for playing XboxLive with no jags and delays for any game so far - even with its obnoxious upload speed.

Take into concern that Vodatel's TriplePlay service currently offers 2Mbt/2Mbt for 200 kunas and should be available throughout Zagreb in mid 2007. That should be more then enough :).
 
Wolfe2x7
Why should a long-time fan of a racing game series be forced to "jump ship" to an inferior (Forza) series, or a series that has nowhere near as much content (GTR), just because the company that controls their favorite series decided that it wanted to rip people off? :confused:
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that´s the best reply i read so far to describe why i´m worried about the future of the series
 
BuzzOrHowl
Waitaminute... did someone bring up principle? are you kidding?

You're invoking Principle because a business that has developed a product wants to sell it to you at a profit?

Do you complainers think you are entitled to set Sony and PD's prices for them? If you don't think the product is worth the price, don't buy it! Problem solved!
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Which is, of course, how we set Sony and PD's prices for them.

They will only charge what they think we will pay. If we don't pay it, the value for money ratio is too low and they've overestimated what we will pay.

So of course we are entitled to set their prices for them, through the magic of capitalism.

BuzzOrHowl
Want to hear about principles? In a couple of months you'll be sitting in your safe homes playing GTHD on a thousand+ dollar gaming system (PS3 + HDTV) moaning about "having" to pay $.50 for each virtual car you want to drive...

Meanwhile all over the world men, women, and children are dying because they can't get $.50 worth of clean water.

I hate to sound melodramatic, but it's true...

It's pathetic that some of you think you have it rough in life because you have to pay for your entertainment.

I'm really losing respect for many of the posters on this board.
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The idea I'm getting here is that you think we have no right to complain about being ripped off because we can afford to be ripped off. That's quite a shaky position to take.

The society in which I live says that my endeavours are required and worth "x", so I have a job and get paid "x". It also says that the products I buy are worth "y", because that's the level at which people will buy it and still allow the producer to retain enough money to pay its employees "z" and still create profit.

If people are of the opinion that "y" is too much then they have every right to say so and exercise consumer discretion by not paying "y". The producer must then either reduce "y" to a level where people will buy it again or go out of business. In order to reduce "y" they can either reduce their payments of "z" to their employees, which would result in job vacuums and loss of productivity, or reduce profit.


People of other cultures do not enter into this equation, concerning the price of Gran Turismo, at all - though they may appear in other equations regarding what I also do with my "x".

If a product is perceived to be overpriced, consumers can refuse it. And they are allowed to say so here.
 
FACT:

NO PRICING STRUCTURE OR BUISNESS MODEL HAS BEEN FORMALLY ANNOUNCED BY SONY OR PD.

QUOTE FROM KAZ:

"Yamauchi explained the thinking behind GT HD Classic: "We wanted to pursue the possibilities behind network gaming offered by the PS3. We took the Gran Turismo assets and recreated them in full HD, then focused on the online aspect of the HD experience." Essentially, GT HD Classic imports most of the assets from Gran Turismos from the past, and assembles them into an online game which, among other things, will allow players to create their own track days and have drifting competitions. GT HD Classic will have 770 cars, 51 tracks and over 4,500 items in all -- as Yamauchi explained: "All downloadable. This is where the PlayStation Store comes into play. Prices for the downloads have not yet been decided, or the structures of the business models."

Why are the vast majority of you being such crybabies about this? Are you so terrified that you won't get everything you want handed to you on a silver platter? Such is life. Nothing is concrete and for all you know you might be able to pay around $50 dollars for all the tracks and cars. All of the prices mentioned so far have come from magazines and gamesites. Kaz even said himself that he is trying to get the game released at a minimal price. Even if the cars are somewhat expensive, you will not be paying a fee for using Sony's online network like you would if you were on XBOX Live. I'd gladly spend $10 bucks a month or so spending money on cars that I want, at the pace that I want, in the order that I want, instead of paying subsciption fees. So save your moaning until something concrete is announced. If you don't like it, wait 2 years or so for GT5, and stay off of Sony's network until then so there's less strain on the servers while I'm racing.

By the way, if you remember the original GT had what, 100 cars maybe? And GT3 had 180ish cars. Yet most people ran right out and paid $40-50 for each.

Face it people, buisness models are changing every day. Downloadable content may end up being more expensive, but the flexibility it gives the game desingers will allow more features and ideas to be implemented than ever before. The bug in GT2 that wouldn't allow you to get 100%? Gone with a simple patch. With Kaz being such a perfectionist, I'm sure that once GT5 comes out, he will make sure things keep getting implemented until it reaches his final vision, or the PS3 runs out of processing power. I think the possiblities are quite interesting and promising.👍 The more profitable the GT franchise becomes, the more resourses will be put into development. Even if I end up spending $200 or more on the game and downloads, if the gameplay is great and constantly infused with new features, it is really so much worse than a game that costs $50 and is put on the shelf after I've lost interest after finishing the game? Not in my opinion.
 
CFM
FACT:

NO PRICING STRUCTURE OR BUISNESS MODEL HAS BEEN FORMALLY ANNOUNCED BY SONY OR PD.
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This much is true - hence my qualifier of "From what I've read so far".

But remember, you and I are obsessives. The majority - and I do mean the majority - of PlayStation gamers and Gran Turismo buyers are kids. When mum & dad find out they have to buy a game and then the tracks, and then the cars, they're going to react in quite a similar way to how many of the people in this thread have. Come 2008 when the next game's out and they aren't going to be so eager to shell out - and the kids who had to slog through GTHD with 2 tracks and 9 cars won't want it anyway, because the game was rubbish for them.

And this impinges on us obsessives - as the phenomenal loss from GT5 will result in there not being the breadth of download we're expecting, or the download service itself canned altogether after 6 months, along with any plans for GT6...


That's without even having to think about the prices. You and I might be more than willing to spend a couple hundred dollars/several hundred pounds (good ol' Blighty!) on downloads, but the Bank of Mum & Dad won't.
 
Well, I don't think that people will be as hesitant to buy for their kids if the game costs $5-10 as Kaz is hoping. If they were really smart, Sony would give it away as a free pack-in with the PS3. People would see GT-HD on the box, and impulse purchases would commence. :) Plus it would give kids receiving the console something to play if they don't have a game yet.

Poeple who aren't as into GT as some of us, will not want all the cars like we do. So paying little to nothing for the game, and some added cash for the extra cars & tracks will probably not be that big of a deal. I think people will know what they are buying, and if they are looking a complete prepackaged game, they will pass. If they just want something to putz with to pass the time waitng for GT5, then they will.
 
What's the possibilty of HD working in a similar fashion to GT4?

In GT4 - Win/buy a car in GT mode and it becomes available in arcade mode.

In HD - Win/buy a car in HD's equivalent of GT mode and it becomes available in HD's equivalent of arcade. If you're unable to win it or can't afford it, then maybe you would be able to download it for a fee.
 
daan
In HD - Win/buy a car in HD's equivalent of GT mode and it becomes available in HD's equivalent of arcade. If you're unable to win it or can't afford it, then maybe you would be able to download it for a fee.
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I'd like it to work that way.

My erratic driving seems to get the job done (albeit messily) so I could try and win the cars I want, and should any races be too difficult for me to understeer, weave in and out of people, and nudge by accident to win, I could download them!

But this would require an internet connection and membership to something, ja?

Potentially decimating the number of people who can use the system.
 
We know final prices haven't been set yet, but they haven't been denied, either.

If you are willing to pay about the same for just GT:HD tracks, for an incomplete game, as what you paid for the whole of GT4, then be my guest. Then you will have to very carefully pick and choose which cars you want because, if you don't, you won't be able to put gas into the tank of your real car!

GT is supposed to be a game, not an investment tool, or something that we should have to continually include in our monthly budgets!

Cheers,

MasterGT
 
CFM
Well, I don't think that people will be as hesitant to buy for their kids if the game costs $5-10 as Kaz is hoping.
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With an alleged 2,000 cars and 100 tracks, it's going to get like Pokemon - gotta catch 'em all. "Awww, but Dave's mum bought him Spa-Francorchamps and Zandvoort"... :lol:

Notwithstanding the fact that many people "of vintage" are distrusting of "buying stuff on the interweb" (when the only time my card details were nicked was at a petrol station).

CFM
People who aren't as into GT as some of us, will not want all the cars like we do.
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Which creates its own problem. Kaz wants GT to be an encyclopaedia of cars. Sony want GT to sell pots of copies and prevent them going bust. Who wins when a car isn't a popular download - the guy whose game it is or the company whose server it sits on, taking up space?

The only way round it is to bury a zillion cars on the disk to start with - then Sony don't come into it. And it's not like there isn't space for it... :lol: As we all know, BluRay has apparently almost infinite storage capacity... :D

CFM
If they just want something to putz with to pass the time waitng for GT5, then they will.
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Mmm. Prologue springs right to mind here.


It's just too problematic as a business model - it's an interesting risk, but Sony don't have the luxury of taking risks right now. I don't think there's much potential to increase sales by it - but there is an awful lot of potential to lose them.
 
what about GT mode? how can you make a progressive careear mode without having a standard of cars?

i know, this is GT HD, no carrear here, and GT5 will be different, but if they take some of those microtransactions assets to GT5, it might create an odd GT mode
 
I think some +REP should go to Amar212...
A Quality Posts badge would look nice under his avatar...
After all he is allways first to bring us news on GT Serises...
 
well one thing's for sure... there will still not be any 'LAN' functionality... it seems. Technically speaking, you'd play GT classic for multiplayer, but you gotta buy tracks and cars... but if you don't have internet and just a LAN connection with friends and easy-to-carry 17"LCDs... you're screwed...

sometimes i get the feeling PD doesn't think things through.
 
That's the same video as is on the official Gran Turismo site, linked to in post 1...
 
Famine
This much is true - hence my qualifier of "From what I've read so far".

But remember, you and I are obsessives. The majority - and I do mean the majority - of PlayStation gamers and Gran Turismo buyers are kids. When mum & dad find out they have to buy a game and then the tracks, and then the cars, they're going to react in quite a similar way to how many of the people in this thread have. Come 2008 when the next game's out and they aren't going to be so eager to shell out - and the kids who had to slog through GTHD with 2 tracks and 9 cars won't want it anyway, because the game was rubbish for them.
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OK, when GT5 comes out, we presume it will have the normal GT structure we've always known - it should come with unlockable cars, so that everyone can play it properly, whether they are on-line or not, have a credit card or not. But what does this mean for all of the GT:HD suckers who forked over hard cash? These players will have bought cars the rest will unlock for free! What's wrong with this scenario? There are just so many unanswered questions about all of this.

Famine
You and I might be more than willing to spend a couple hundred dollars/several hundred pounds (good ol' Blighty!) on downloads, but the Bank of Mum & Dad won't.
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... or can't.

Cheers,

MasterGT
 
The Vanishing Boy
-> Since this topic opened up and read replies after replies, I don't see on why people are panicking about this "microtransaction" thing. All I can say is this, GT HD is purely a test mule system, I'll be more worried if this was GT5. If some GT fan doesn't agree on what PD is doing right now, then theres the door and get Forza 2 or GTR2 or don't buy GT HD altogether. As for me, I'll wait till the real GT5 comes out (if I still don't have any internet connection). I may get GT HD (if I have internet) because I like to test drive this "prolouge" before the real game comes out and be not in shock and awe when GT5 is out. (:

-> I'm already happy and satisfied on what PD has been doing so far one baby step at a time. Some said Ferrari is an impossible feat for GT/PD, but here comes Ferra (maybe I have to re-edit my sig to LamPorMas{Lamborghini, Porsche, Maserati}). But who knows, maybe someday all this griping will be solved way before GT5 (Complete) comes out. (:
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But here's the thing. Games like Oblivion have allready proven that there will always be lots of gamers that buy the content. It's deceptively easy to push the okay button to buy the stuff. It also only takes a relative few to make the publisher think it is a succes. So if there are enough people buying the content(and there will be) the system has a very good chance of being implemented in future games. So even if I don't personally buy stuff, the system will still screw me over for games I do want to buy.

But we'll have to see. Many of sony's ideas have never been implemented. Even so, before GT4 even came out, Kaz allready said Sony had plans to implement the system the supposedly anounced. There seems to be a lot riding on this.
 
As far as not being hooked up to the internet goes, I assume most people are talking about not having their PS3 hooked up, right? Everyone on here obviously has some access to internet, or else they wouldn't be on here. So what if PD enabled you to download content from a regular computer on a regular website, and then transfer it to the PS3 via a USB drive? Seems simple enough to me. That would also create the possibility of user-created add-ons, although I'm sure it would be very difficult and not very likely. Even so, if it does happen, can you imagine how great (or horribly confusing) it could be?
 
JTSnooks
As far as not being hooked up to the internet goes, I assume most people are talking about not having their PS3 hooked up, right? Everyone on here obviously has some access to internet, or else they wouldn't be on here. So what if PD enabled you to download content from a regular computer on a regular website, and then transfer it to the PS3 via a USB drive? Seems simple enough to me. That would also create the possibility of user-created add-ons, although I'm sure it would be very difficult and not very likely. Even so, if it does happen, can you imagine how great (or horribly confusing) it could be?
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Piracy, anyone?
 
there is not a chance in the world this will happen. The only way we'll be able to download anything is through the official GT service.

As for pay per download, i have no actual problem with that... although i have a bit of a problem understanding how it will work...

I presume its not gonna be a download but rather a 'unlock'... else lets say i download a Lotus Elise and race with it... what car models will appear when i race someone else? The game needs the physical data of each cars/textures/blablabla to display it localy... Its that or each race takes 4 minutes to 'download' the data from other players, which would be stupid.
 

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