Gran Turismo Sport delayed to 2017

[SlipZtrEm]

The GTS website introduces us to 4 of the latest production cars.

'13 LaFerrari

'15 MX-5

'15 AMG GT

'15 Mustang GT

Those cars are in the used car market today.

To be fair, two of those are still just as up to date going into 2017 as they were in 2015 (the MX-5 and Mustang). The LaFerrari's production run is done, but since there were no updates to it, a '13 isn't a problem (it's the most recent halo car from Ferrari regardless).

The Mustang's rumoured to be getting a facelift within the next 12 months though, so that does mean it will no longer be the "latest" in GT Sport. The MX-5 has the RF, but otherwise is still fine. The AMG is getting some mild tweaks in the form of the GT C (and GT R), so yeah, it'll also be slightly less than the latest when the game ships.

 

[05XR8]

Another thing. Since this game is to be a new Gen GT, the first GT took 4-5(?) years to develop. Seems like the game is right on track.

 

[Samus]

Another thing. Since this game is to be a new Gen GT, the first GT took 4-5(?) years to develop. Seems like the game is right on track.

Hardly, the first GT they started with zero. No code, no assets, no ideas, no plans. They may have started from scratch on car models but not the rest.

 

[GordonS]

Another thing. Since this game is to be a new Gen GT, the first GT took 4-5(?) years to develop. Seems like the game is right on track.

One have to remember also that they had to make the game 100% complete back in the day because 'offline'.
One can only hope GTS will be launch day bug-free which is rare nowadays even in AAA games.

I believe GTS is at most in the beginning of its third development year now, meaning it started to shape some time after FIA-Polyphony D. collaboration announcement when they ditched GT6 Online championship.
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/2014/06/25/fia-certifies-four-tracks-gran-turismo-6/

Hardly, the first GT they started with zero. No code, no assets, no ideas, no plans. They may have started from scratch on car models but not the rest.

Ahem!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Toon_Grand_Prix
Kaz actually had the vision before GT.

 

[Samus]

One have to remember also that they had to make the game 100% complete back in the day because 'offline'.
One can only hope GTS will be launch day bug-free which is rare nowadays even in AAA games.

I believe GTS is at most in the beginning of its third development year now, meaning it started to shape some time after FIA-Polyphony D. collaboration announcement when they ditched GT6 Online championship.
https://blog.eu.playstation.com/2014/06/25/fia-certifies-four-tracks-gran-turismo-6/


Ahem!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Toon_Grand_Prix
Kaz actually had the vision before GT.

A game with a few vague similarities is hardly the same as having 15 years of experience, code and assets in the exact same game.

I don't see how GTS can be considered "on track" by any measure. It's a small game (relative to any previous full GT game) and is taking far too long with an official delay and cancelled beta.

 

[syntex123]

Hardly, the first GT they started with zero. No code, no assets, no ideas, no plans. They may have started from scratch on car models but not the rest.

No code, no ideas, no plans. Hmm. Motor Toon Grand Prix was essentially GT in disguise. Kaz already then had the idea and plans of how he wanted GT to be, MTGP even had the basic physics etc of GT. 👍

 

[Samus]

No code, no ideas, no plans. Hmm. Motor Toon Grand Prix was essentially GT in disguise. Kaz already then had the idea and plans of how he wanted GT to be, MTGP even had the basic physics etc of GT. 👍

Yes ok but again, it hardly compares to what they had in the bank for GT Sport.

 

[syntex123]

Of course. Just saying what @05XR8 said, looks like GTS in right on time, even though it feels like it is way overdue.

 

[Samus]

But that's my point, you can't say it's on time because it's a new start like GT1 was. The situation is really not comparable.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

How can something be considered "on time" when it's been officially delayed?

Is the public beta on time too?

 

[syntex123]

You're reading way too much into this. Just meant if it takes 5 years before GTS comes out, so what? GT1 did. GT5 did. Both games are the full first game of its console generation.

 

[Samus]

You're reading way too much into this. Just meant if it takes 5 years, so what? GT1 did. GT5 did. Both games are the full first game of its console generation.

Yeah and my point is that GT1 is unique because it's the first one and if you're going to talk GT5 I'm sure you don't need reminding what they delivered between GT4 and GT5. We've had diddly squat for 3 years now on PS4. Absolutely zero output.

So what? Well for the die hard fan no, it's not exactly a problem. They're going to buy it no matter what. For the franchise, it hurts. Firstly the simple fact that no game = no profits and secondly the general public are going to lose interest the more time goes on. It's not a unique facet to GT or even game development, if you disappear for huge periods of time people lose interest, they find alternatives to your product or service, they move on.

 

[queleuleu]

I think Poly should know its priorities. Sometimes taking shortcuts is smarter than a whole year of delay. Forza 6 is a good illustration IMO. Sure, there is not the same level of details when you compare Bathurst in GT6 and Forza 5/6 but do we need this ridiculous level? I don't think so. When Forza 6 is a solid 60fps game, where is GTSport?
Look at the level of detail on the white wall, does it make a good game or the track more enjoyable?
https://cdn.unwire.hk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/image034.jpg

 

[Tired Tyres]

I think Poly should know its priorities. Sometimes taking shortcuts is smarter than a whole year of delay. Forza 6 is a good illustration IMO. Sure, there is not the same level of details when you compare Bathurst in GT6 and Forza 5/6 but do we need this ridiculous level? I don't think so. When Forza 6 is a solid 60fps game, where is GTSport?
Look at the level of detail on the white wall, does it make a good game or the track more enjoyable?
https://cdn.unwire.hk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/image034.jpg

Good grief. You think it would be sensible to take detail out of the Toyko track!

You're reading way too much into this. Just meant if it takes 5 years before GTS comes out, so what? GT1 did. GT5 did. Both games are the full first game of its console generation.

If it was GT7 with normal content levels you'd have a point. This however is barely more than a prologue and is severely overdue.

 

[queleuleu]

What is the probability to see the same five tracks at the Playstation experience? From Poly, everything is possible like showing the same tracks for 6 months.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Well, they may be doing that to save the rest of the content for a big pre release blowout. Might not be either though.

 

[sems4arsenal]

What is the probability to see the same five tracks at the Playstation experience? From Poly, everything is possible like showing the same tracks for 6 months.

I'd say highly unlikely, they wouldn't be going on panels to talk about the same stuff they've said for a whole year.

So tell me Kaz for the millionth time why is it called GTSport and not GT7?

 

[05XR8]

GTS has 140 cars and 19 tracks. GT1 has 140 cars 11 tracks.

GTS is also on a new system, models from scratch, possibly sounds from scratch, don't know how much they had to remake tracks, plus online mode, scapes.

GT1 was developed from around '92 with release in '97.

GTS was said by Kaz, to have started when GT6 was released. It'll be 4 years next year.

Plus, (I am not defending GTS by any means) this is to be a different GT. A brand new one. We cant look at it AS normal GT1-GT4. It's a completely "new" experience in Gran Turismo(we'll see about this).

 

[queleuleu]

GTS has 140 cars and 19 tracks. GT1 has 140 cars 11 tracks.

GTS is also on a new system, models from scratch, possibly sounds from scratch, don't know how much they had to remake tracks, plus online mode, scapes.

GT1 was developed from around '92 with release in '97.

GTS was said by Kaz, to have started when GT6 was released. It'll be 4 years next year.

Plus, (I am not defending GTS by any means) this is to be a different GT. A brand new one. We cant look at it AS normal GT1-GT4. It's a completely "new" experience in Gran Turismo(we'll see about this).

I can't agree with you. 15 years of experience, a huge budget and the car world in your pocket (But Porsche...). The core of GT is still the same : beautiful graphics with nice physics and awful collisions... Maybe the features will be the biggest differences.

 

[nhraracer]

Expect the worst and we won't be disapointed! lol

 

[Samus]

Hmmm just been on the Game website here in the U.K. And no sign of GT Sport anymore!

http://www.game.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...RL=&searchTerm=Gran+turismo+sport&searchBtn=z

I think that is very interesting that GAME have removed it. I'll email them, see what they say, but this could be the first sign of the game changing name/scope IMO.

I got a response today, make of it what you will.

Yes unfortunately it isn't available for pre order yet we have to wait on the manufactures to let us know what is happening with new releases. Keep an eye out on our website for this game. Sorry to for the inconvenience.

 

[queleuleu]

Well, I don't understand if Sony asked them to stop taking pre orders? Like we don't know what will be the future product so we can't take pre orders. I really hope so. I'd like to know the case of preorders with The Last Guardian, another first party game delayed multiples times.

 

[Samus]

Well, I don't understand if Sony asked them to stop taking pre orders? Like we don't know what will be the future product so we can't take pre orders. I really hope so. I'd like to know the case of preorders with The Last Guardian, another first party game delayed multiples times.

Most retailers will take pre-orders for anything, minutes after a game is announced you can usually find a placeholder listing and a pre-order even if there is no release date at all. Final Fantasy VII Remastered for instance, you could pre-order almost instantly and still can. So obviously delays won't stop them, since no money is actually exchanged, it does no harm to either party.

http://www.game.co.uk/en/final-fantasy-vii-remake-654780

Or Death Stranding, next to no info and certainly no release date

http://www.game.co.uk/en/death-stranding-1328010

So to remove the entire thing from the site and waiting for info from Sony, something must be going on IMO. Plus of course they cancelled a lot of digital pre-orders.

 

[TrevorPhilips]

It could be that they have changed the scope of the game.

It could be that they have halved the price of the game.

It could be that someone else is picking up the tab and it's free.

It could be that they have gone F2P with aggressive DLC.

It could be that they have gone subscription based.

It could be none of the above.

 

[nickg07]

Basically PD have made some drastic mistakes over the past few years. From an asset perspective they assumed that the GT premium models they over engineered for GT6 could be taken into the PS4 title.

This cost them time and money on the PS3 gen game and has also put them behind schedule on the PS4 because they either decided to start afresh or had to.

The buck stops with the top brass for issues like this. So ultimately Kaz is to.blame for that.

 

[05XR8]

I tell you what having 15 years experience means nothing when you've been doing somethings completely wrong. Kaz admits the sounds were done wrong. Having to source the right people and/or get them or train your team to do it the right way, adds time.

Who knows what else PD have been doing wrong all these years. Hmm, modelling. Graphics of the cars will always get better, but what about the environments? Going by the investigations and complaints in the GT6 threads, PD have lacked in that. Have they had to take time to rethink how to carry out that process? Remember, this is PDI.

We all just want answers.

Is the VR Mode turning this into a 2 games in 1?

Have they decided to forego Day 1 patch and make this a completed game nearly bug free?

Are PD readying the car list for a steady influx of cars in this game's shelf life?

Is online their biggest headache? Is VR glitching online versus normal users?

Has the beta to the beta revealed unforseen woes?

We all have our own questions about when will we see this game and why so long.

I still feel it's right on time for a 1st in a Gran Turismo.

 

[speeeyskells]

not too much longer if we get a new time frame today

 

[05XR8]

435am here in Australia. What time is it at this conference?

 

[Tired Tyres]

12 minutes from now.

 

[Samus]

Still just 2017. They must be miles off being done, obviously not coming any time soon.