Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[sems4arsenal]

Does anyone else find it interesting how any of the threads specifically talking about good thing about GT Sport have all died out?

They're still there somewhat. What I find astonishing is Neo Gaf of all places is more positive about the game than GTPlanet

 

[Pillo-san]

They're still there somewhat. What I find astonishing is Neo Gaf of all places is more positive about the game than GTPlanet

Well if you really like something you often also criticize it. Just like you would when it comes to a family member or what not. You love it but you also know their shortcomings and are not afraid of speaking freely how you think they behave..

That is how I think at least.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Well if you really like something you often also criticize it. Just like you would when it comes to a family member or what not. You love it but you also know their shortcomings and are not afraid of speaking freely how you think they behave..

That is how I think at least.

Oh I agree, Heck I was one when we first saw the game.

 

[ImaRobot]

Do not use misnomers, such as "hardcore", and do not misname things. There is no such thing as a "hardcore sim". We are talking about specific high-fidelity driving simulators and their imperfections.

To bad you don't get to dictate what others call the higher end sims on the market. The terms are there, its nothing new. Don't want to use it? oh well. It's usually just to name the difference between heavy physics-oriented sims compared to games like GT and Forza. It fits.

Simulators and simulations have existed for decades. There is a number of terms that are used by scientists, engineers, and researchers, to communicate with exactitude. The use of those terms is required in order to talk with exactitude about everything.

This is the video game industry. The terms like these have been flowing around for a while.

Either way, I'm interested to know what terms would you use?

Now, regarding iRacing. I do not want GTS, and what will follow after GTS, to be iRacing clones. How did you conclude that? Why do you mention iRacing as if it is relevant in any way? Why do you believe that wanting everything in GTS to be of the highest fidelity possible will automagically make GTS an iRacing clone?

No one wanted an iRacing clone, but I'm sure most people didn't want a Pcars clone either, yet this game is running in a very, very similar vein. What people do want is good features from other games to be implemented. You know, like this game and many other games do? I fail to see what the issue is with that? I'm not even sure how you read that everyone's asking for a clone of a any game.

 

[Greek]

To bad you don't get to dictate what others call the higher end sims on the market. The terms are there, its nothing new. Don't want to use it? oh well. It's usually just to name the difference between heavy physics-oriented sims compared to games like GT and Forza. It fits.


This is the video game industry. The terms like these have been flowing around for a while.

Either way, I'm interested to know what terms would you use?


No one wanted an iRacing clone, but I'm sure most people didn't want a Pcars clone either, yet this game is running in a very, very similar vein. What people do want is good features from other games to be implemented. You know, like this game and many other games do? I fail to see what the issue is with that? I'm not even sure how you read that everyone's asking for a clone of a any game.

Do not lie. You are a human, not a robot.

Now, regarding the rest.

I do not dictate anything. I help people learn. I educate people.

Look at my previous posts for term usage examples.

In the beginning I also thought that GTS will be online-only. I am glad that it is not and that the GT series will continue to be a series of driving simulators that "has something for almost everyone", as i wrote in a previous post of mine in this thread.

RandomCarGuy17 is afraid, he worries, for no good reason, that GTS will become an iRacing clone if everything in GTS is of the highest fidelity possible.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Do not use misnomers, such as "hardcore", and do not misname things. There is no such thing as a "hardcore sim". We are talking about specific high-fidelity driving simulators and their imperfections.

Really? You're going to make a big deal out of how I use "hardcore" in this context? *sigh*

Now, regarding iRacing. I do not want GTS, and what will follow after GTS, to be iRacing clones. How did you conclude that? Why do you mention iRacing as if it is relevant in any way? Why do you believe that wanting everything in GTS to be of the highest fidelity possible will automagically make GTS an iRacing clone?

I didn't make any conclusions of the sort! I said I didn't want GT (as a franchise) to go down the serious route of a hardcore simulator and I needed an example. iRacing fits the bill, that doesn't mean I'm thinking GT will be an iRacing clone.

iRacing has nothing for me. That is why I care about the GT series and not about iRacing.

Cool, whatever.

 

[ImaRobot]

Do not lie. You are a human, not a robot.

Now, regarding the rest.

I do not dictate anything. I help people learn. I educate people.

No, you very much did dictate. Although you're not really educating anyone either, you're just telling them to use a term you prefer rather than use the one that has been in the genre for quite a while now. As long as terms like that aren't used in a derogatory manner, or used to show inferiority, they work just fine.

In the beginning I also thought that GTS will be online-only. I am glad that it is not and that the GT series will continue to be a series of driving simulators that "has something for almost everyone", as i wrote in a previous post of mine in this thread.

It's not online only, but it's so Online-focused that as it sits there is a lack of things to do outside of online, taking into consideration the "campaign" mode, and the fact that the only other option is arcade mode. While they have made changes to the campaign, it still looks no different, yet. Hopefully theres a substantial update before release.

RandomCarGuy17 is afraid, he worries, for no good reason, that GTS will become an iRacing clone if everything in GTS is of the highest fidelity possible.

No, he didn't say that at all. He said that GT will cease to be GT if they opt to be more "hardcore" in the physics department.

 

[CrazyJohn]

Off topic with your current conversation, but PD posted a link to pre-order on their Instagram bio.

http://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/gran-turismo-sport-ps4/

 

[marcvic]

It's usually just to name the difference between heavy physics-oriented sims compared to games like GT and Forza. It fits.

GT is not a heavy physics oriented game?

So there is simcade, simulation and hardcore sim? Which games falls under what category?

 

[ImaRobot]

GT is not a heavy physics oriented game?

So there is simcade, simulation and hardcore sim? Which games falls under what category?

No, I think GT fits perfectly in the same category as Forza. If I was to place these two anywhere I'm not sure if I'd put it at the highest spectrum of "simcade" or just above it. @Scaff has noted some changes in the physics department, but has also noted other issues, so I wouldn't necessairly say it has changed its placing in regard to Forza.

It's not a bad thing, and while I haven't played it, I am taking on information from trusted sources.

 

[Johnnypenso]

When I go into Brand Central, from what I see, I feel as if I'm getting the 5-star treatment (like we get in real life at car dealerships). When I'm in the main menu, I find myself having to forcefully peel myself away from looking at the beautiful sight in front of me (just like when I'm walking away from my car, and any other awesome car in real life). Like in real life, I must make sure my oil is changed, and car washed - because I want my car to look/perform in tip top shape.

I haven't seen the oil change or car wash animation yet in GTS. Do you have a link to it? In Brand Central can you open the doors, pop the hood and explore the engine bay and interior of the car like you would in a real car, or in Forza? Do you have video of that as well?

Scapes: During my trip to NYC, I insisted on driving everywhere, just to drive and see my car in these different environments. I even chose to drive 1.5 hours for 12 miles from Brooklyn to Manhattan just to drive my car around and take pictures of it in Manhattan - even though my folks thought I was crazy and didn't understand the point of it all. "Just take the train," they said.

So a good driving simulator is about taking pictures? I thought that was a photography simulator.

I would love to go through a driving school to better my driving skills at the limit, but that is very expensive (autocross is my cheap alternative). I'm looking forward to the hundred-something offline events, especially since they teach you real-world techniques. So if I do eventually have enough spare money to join a race track, I'll have a good basis of understanding (not betting on automatically receiving an FIA license though ).

We don't have details on this yet but it sounds more like racecraft and skill training, not driving training.

We'll have to see how they treat credits, but in past GT games, buying cars was tough. A lot of thought went into car purchases because they don't just give you everything or throw money at you all the time. With each purchase your garage becomes a story of what you value in a car. Just like in real life I have only 3-4 bucket list cars that I have thought extremely hard about.

In the beginning it was tough but once the Seasonals and bonuses rolled around, you could spend less than an hour on a series of events and earn enough money to buy literally dozens of cars. The severely unbalanced economy was one of the worst parts of GT5/6 IMO. If it remains severely unbalanced in GTS it'll be one of the worst parts of that game as well.

In these regards GT can be considered one of, if not the best driving simulator of them all - not a meaningless feat. Even in the last two or three days of discussing terminology, we've seen mention of how GT wouldn't "feel" like GT anymore as a hardcore sim* - the GT formula makes GT games such a great place to simulate owning/enjoying/driving cars - we'll have to see from the A.I. and Sport mode features at release if its a great place to race cars.

I'm not sure how accurate it is to say it was a "great place to simulate owning/enjoying/driving cars". You've never been able to take a virtual tour of a car. You've never had to pay for damage to a car. Damage was never persistent either. You've never been able to paint your car with anything other than a single colour. You've never opened your "garage" in the game and actually seen your car in a garage and been able to take a virtual tour of the car in it's natural environment. For more than a decade, the majority of the car list was low res and the cars had no interior. Heck some of the brand new, high res cars had/have no interior. Sure, you could own cars, you could own a lot of cars, but most of what some would consider the core elements of actually owning a virtual car have always been missing.

All that aside though, the past is long gone for PD, the future is motor racing. PD defines this game as, "the future of motorsports", and, "the definitive motor racing experience" aka a racing simulator and the best on around apparently. That's what it'll be compared to, for better or worse.

 

[Greek]

I didn't make any conclusions of the sort! I said I didn't want GT (as a franchise) to go down the serious route of a hardcore simulator and I needed an example. iRacing fits the bill, that doesn't mean I'm thinking GT will be an iRacing clone.

You misunderstood. PD creates high-fidelity driving simulators for the PlayStation systems. iRacing was designed for a group of people that cares about online racing only. The GT series is for everyone, not only for one group of people.

"DRIVING IS FOR EVERYONE", and if you want to compete, you can Join the Human Race.

No, you very much did dictate. Although you're not really educating anyone either, you're just telling them to use a term you prefer rather than use the one that has been in the genre for quite a while now. As long as terms like that aren't used in a derogatory manner, or used to show inferiority, they work just fine.


It's not online only, but it's so Online-focused that as it sits there is a lack of things to do outside of online, taking into consideration the "campaign" mode, and the fact that the only other option is arcade mode. While they have made changes to the campaign, it still looks no different, yet. Hopefully theres a substantial update before release.


No, he didn't say that at all. He said that GT will cease to be GT if they opt to be more "hardcore" in the physics department.

A bus is a bus, not a skyscraper. Wishful thinking and ignorance will not change what something really is.

I used to worry too. You worry for nothing. The beta version is not the complete product. It does not include everything that will be included in the BD-ROM release version of GTS.

 

[ImaRobot]

A bus is a bus, not a skyscraper. Wishful thinking and ignorance will not change what something really is.

What's the relevance with this statement?

I used to worry too. You worry for nothing. The beta version is not the complete product. It does not include everything that will be included in the BD-ROM release version of GTS.

What's worse? worrying about a game, or worrying about peoples opinions of the game? I would say the latter, and that's exactly what you're doing.

The beta is not the complete product but they have outlined what the game is and what is going to be available. The Career mode isn't even in the beta but they've already outlined what was going to be included in that, specifically, and whats available for offline besides that, which was only Arcade mode.

If there is going to be something else, than we wont know until they tell us that there is, so it's pointless to pretend that it's going to be different if theres been no info on more.

 

[Tornado]

I watched a few videos of the arcade version. It is a driving simulator. I never said that you cannot find simulators in amusement arcades. When I said arcade games, I meant and mean products like Ridge Racer and Daytona USA.

So you should have said that, instead of acting like the word "arcade" is diametrically opposed from the word "simulation" in one of your many rants about how you want people to stop using terms you don't like but have been used for at least a decade in the context being used in this thread.


Words have meanings after all.

 

[Scaff]

You misunderstood. PD creates high-fidelity driving simulators for the PlayStation systems. iRacing was designed for a group of people that cares about online racing only. The GT series is for everyone, not only for one group of people.

"DRIVING IS FOR EVERYONE", and if you want to compete, you can Join the Human Race.



A bus is a bus, not a skyscraper. Wishful thinking and ignorance will not change what something really is.

I used to worry too. You worry for nothing. The beta version is not the complete product. It does not include everything that will be included in the BD-ROM release version of GTS.

You can drop the attitude right now.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

You misunderstood. PD creates high-fidelity driving simulators for the PlayStation systems. iRacing was designed for a group of people that cares about online racing only. The GT series is for everyone, not only for one group of people.

"DRIVING IS FOR EVERYONE", and if you want to compete, you can Join the Human Race.

I don't think you understood my point at all.

 

[badaboum528]

What's new with the 1.07 patch?

 

[Ameer67]

What's new with the 1.07 patch?

Here you go: https://www.gtplanet.net/gt-sport-closed-beta-1-07-update-now-available/

 

[Greek]

What's the relevance with this statement?


What's worse? worrying about a game, or worrying about peoples opinions of the game? I would say the latter, and that's exactly what you're doing.

The beta is not the complete product but they have outlined what the game is and what is going to be available. The Career mode isn't even in the beta but they've already outlined what was going to be included in that, specifically, and whats available for offline besides that, which was only Arcade mode.

If there is going to be something else, than we wont know until they tell us that there is, so it's pointless to pretend that it's going to be different if theres been no info on more.


No, you're just making ridiculously wrong, far off base, assumptions of his point because you obviously don't understand. It's a bit ironic that you would call someone else ignorant.

As I said in a previous post of mine. I care about facts, not opinions. According to the website's rules, everyone has the right to post opinions. I did not tell anyone to not post opinions. What I said is that if we are to have a discussion about things that require a specific breadth and depth of knowledge, all interlocutors must posses, or must be will willing to gain, knowledge about those things. Otherwise it will be like it is in other places. For example, "It sucks because it has less than 200 cars!11!!", "The graphics suck lolololol!", "No offline trololol", etc.

So you should have said that, instead of acting like the word "arcade" is diametrically opposed from the word "simulation" in one of your many rants about how you want people to stop using terms you don't like but have been used for at least a decade in the context being used in this thread.


Words have meanings after all.

Yes, and I told you. I also mentioned Ridge Racer before you posted that. Read carefully all of my posts, again. Do not cherry-pick.

You need to chill.

It's a game. Why are you so mad?

I am not angry at all. We all start ignorant. Wanting to remain ignorant is what is truly unacceptable. There is a number of things I am ignorant about too. There is a number of things each one of us is ignorant about. It is not an insult. For example, he might know more about cooking than I do. He might be a top chef, and if he is, he knows better about cooking than I do.

You can drop the attitude right now.

I did not treat anyone badly.

I don't think you understood my point at all.

I asked you a few questions in a post of mine. You did not answer those questions. You are claiming that them doing x, will result to y. That claim is false, and I explained why it is false. x being "making GTS simulate everything with the highest fidelity possible", and y being "the GT series will become something else than what it has always been if they do that".

[Edit: corrected x]

 

[ImaRobot]

As I said in a previous post of mine. I care about facts, not opinions.

So again, what's the relevance with that statement you made?

Also, you're guessing that there's going to be more to the online mode, that is not a fact as they've said nothing of the sort.

According to the website's rules, everyone has the right to post opinions. I did not tell anyone to not post opinions.

Yeah, and whats your point? Not one person has came around stating otherwise. No, you did not tell someone to not post an opinion, you dictated to them what words to use because you didn't like the ones he was using.

What I said is that if we are to have a discussion about things that require a specific breadth and depth of knowledge, all interlocutors must posses, or must be will willing to gain, knowledge about those things.

What you told him is "don't use that term." Then you called him ignorant. The term used was fine, you just wanted to nitpick and proceed to be a smart ass just because he used a term (which is widely understood and has been used in the genre for literal years. Everyone knows it) that fits the bill.

I am not angry at all. We all start ignorant. Wanting to remain ignorant is what is truly unacceptable

Except the only one showing ignorance is you. You missed his point by a country mile, and then argued something he didn't say whatsoever. The ignorance lies on you, no one else.

I asked you a few questions in a post of mine. You did not answer those questions. You are claiming that them doing x, will result to y. That claim is false, and I explained why it is false. x being "the desire for everything in GTS to be of the highest fidelity possible", and y being "the GT series will become something else than what it has always been if they do that".

Still missing the point completely, and moved the goal post from what you originally stated too. You kept claiming that he was saying it'll be an iRacing clone, and you even said

Now, regarding iRacing. I do not want GTS, and what will follow after GTS, to be iRacing clones. How did you conclude that? Why do you mention iRacing as if it is relevant in any way? Why do you believe that wanting everything in GTS to be of the highest fidelity possible will automagically make GTS an iRacing clone?

When he never mentioned it'll be a clone in the first place, but that if GT goes the route of the more hardcore simulations, it will lose part of what made GT, GT.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Not sure it's a compliment to GTS or an insult to every other game, but I've had by far the best time racing online in the beta than in any other game.

In US land the SR/DR is working like a treat.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I asked you a few questions in a post of mine. You did not answer those questions.

Oh that's a load of nonsense, I did answer your questions.

You asked this:

Now, regarding iRacing. I do not want GTS, and what will follow after GTS, to be iRacing clones. How did you conclude that? Why do you mention iRacing as if it is relevant in any way? Why do you believe that wanting everything in GTS to be of the highest fidelity possible will automagically make GTS an iRacing clone?

I answered with this:

I DIDN'T make ANY conclusions of the sort! I said I DIDN'T want GT (as a franchise) to go down the serious route of a hardcore simulator and I needed an example. iRacing fits the bill, that DOESN'T mean I'm thinking GT will be an iRacing clone.

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That claim is false, and I explained why it is false. x being "making GTS simulate everything with the highest fidelity possible", and y being "the GT series will become something else than what it has always been if they do that".

Oh for crying out loud, I did NOT claim that! You're misunderstanding my point again!
When I said I didn't want GT becoming more serious, I meant as a whole. I didn't mean if it just becomes more realistic in terms of simulation! I DO NOT care if PD makes later games more realistic to drive, I welcome that!

What I don't welcome is the idea of the series becoming completely serious, if it broke away from the style of game it has been in the past. I'm very well aware that realistic driving physics and collisions don't affect the whole game.

 

[Nasherwood]

I'm not sure if this has been posted on another thread but this interview with Kaz just got posted on Gamespot

 

[queleuleu]

I'm surprised by the lack of E3 article on gran-turismo.com. Like here's a trailer, bye. The new screenshots are not even hosted on the official website. The GTSport section hasn't changed since May 2016.

 

[Greek]

So again, what's the relevance with that statement you made?

Also, you're guessing that there's going to be more to the online mode, that is not a fact as they've said nothing of the sort.


Yeah, and whats your point? Not one person has came around stating otherwise. No, you did not tell someone to not post an opinion, you dictated to them what words to use because you didn't like the ones he was using.


What you told him is "don't use that term." Then you called him ignorant. The term used was fine, you just wanted to nitpick and proceed to be a smart ass just because he used a term (which is widely understood and has been used in the genre for literal years. Everyone knows it) that fits the bill.


Except the only one showing ignorance is you. You missed his point by a country mile, and then argued something he didn't say whatsoever. The ignorance lies on you, no one else.


Still missing the point completely, and moved the goal post from what you originally stated too. You kept claiming that he was saying it'll be an iRacing clone, and you even said

When he never mentioned it'll be a clone in the first place, but that if GT goes the route of the more hardcore simulations, it will lose part of what made GT, GT.

I care about about the truth and correctness.

I am interested in the offline features the most. About the rest, we will see.

In those posts he failed putting in words what he really wanted to say. That is why there was a misunderstanding.

Oh that's a load of nonsense, I did answer your questions.

You asked this:


I answered with this:

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Oh for crying out loud, I did NOT claim that! You're misunderstanding my point again!
When I said I didn't want GT becoming more serious, I meant as a whole. I didn't mean if it just becomes more realistic in terms of simulation! I DO NOT care if PD makes later games more realistic to drive, I welcome that!

What I don't welcome is the idea of the series becoming completely serious, if it broke away from the style of game it has been in the past. I'm very well aware that realistic driving physics and collisions don't affect the whole game.

You finally explained what do you mean, after the dashes.

Both of us want the fidelity of GTS to be as high as possible. It has become clear that you are not against that. Good.

Now, regarding the "serious" thing.

What do you want? You want the GT series to stay in the living rooms forever? It can become something more than what it already is.

The below is evidence that the GT series is evolving. Are you against the below?
http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gtsport/sport_mode/
http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gtsport/license/

 

[ImaRobot]

I care about about the truth and correctness.

And yet not one person here is saying lies, nor are the coming incorrect. The term is part of the genre, community, and is widely used and has been a round for a long time. Just because you don't like it doesn't make you more "true and correct."

I am interested in the offline features the most. About the rest, we will see.

Yeah, and they told us what those would be already. We know what the offline campaign is and we know what is in arcade mode.

In those posts he failed putting in words what he really wanted to say. That is why there was a misunderstanding.

No he didn't fail anything. The only misunderstanding here came from your very own reading comprehension. Again, the only ignorance that came from the thread is the fact that you are arguing something that someone never said in the first place.

You finally explained what do you mean, after the dashes.

Both of us want the fidelity of GTS to be as high as possible. It has become clear that you are not against that. Good.

The explanation did not change one bit from the very first post, you're just barely getting it.

 

[jm79]

Not sure it's a compliment to GTS or an insult to every other game, but I've had by far the best time racing online in the beta than in any other game.

In US land the SR/DR is working like a treat.

That's great man - my best experience online is currently still DriveClub, so I hope this works even better.

 

[praiano63]

I'm not sure if this has been posted on another thread but this interview with Kaz just got posted on Gamespot

I love the way this mercedes drift at 12:00 , it show a real good physics behaviors in my opinion. Not only the way stay on his angle but also the way driving inputs seems so real and naturals.
I m not a drifter at all but i love this precision and i m sure this will give a great driving pleasure at least for powerfull road cars. If N300 seems a bit dead in beta, the way this mercedes drive look amazing.

 

[sems4arsenal]

That's great man - my best experience online is currently still DriveClub, so I hope this works even better.

Driveclub was great when I was racing with the GTP crowd. Most of the online DC players ram and hit you constantly.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

In those posts he failed putting in words what he really wanted to say. That is why there was a misunderstanding.

No, I didn't fail to explain until now. You just couldn't understand it until I elaborated to a certain degree.
Well, at least you're finally able to get it though.

Now, regarding the "serious" thing.

What do you want? You want the GT series to stay in the living rooms forever? It can become something more than what it already is.

The below is evidence that the GT series is evolving. Are you against the below?
http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gtsport/sport_mode/
http://www.gran-turismo.com/us/products/gtsport/license/

No, I'm not against those features. My original point is that I don't want to see Gran Turismo in the future lose any of the things that made it Gran Turismo. For GT titles after GT Sport, I don't want to see the classic GT career mode gone. I don't want to see the used car dealerships go away, GT Auto, customization, the fun menu music, and being able to drive multiple cars from small Kei cars to the ultra fast LMPs. Yes, it's good the GT series is evolving, but I don't want it to lose any of the things I listed that I become so used to in the franchise.

Just in case you point it out, I know Kaz has said in an interview that all of the features from the past aren't going away for GT Sport, but I'm talking about the future of the franchise. I'm not just talking about GT Sport when saying this. Also, Kaz has been known in the community to say things, but not actually do those things.