Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[sems4arsenal]

I hope its ugly otherwise i have to buy it.....

It's a Sony bundle, you can bet your house it will be ugly

 

[PorscheHD]

It's a Sony bundle, you can bet your house it will be ugly

Xbox is good in that kind of stuff but like i said the Destiny version is very very nice!

 

[trustjab]

The point is that GT hardcore fans are readily prepared to lower their own standards of a GT logo is slapped on that turd.

4 years ago.

GT fans: ahhh what a scam Forza 5 is, rubbish. 150 cars 17 tracks, laughable. ( or something along those lines).

4 years later

GT Fans: wooo GTS 17, tracks, wooo that half mile oval looks awesome, that other oval looks awesome too, dull Tokyo track looks awesome woo, 150 cars wooo love GT Vision cars, No career mode? Woooo so hyped for GTS.

Yea the turd example is spot on.

It only took 4 years to get here, how long do you want to wait for these possible feature that never may come?

More to the point, why do you need more features when GTS will have the most features than any previous GT game at launch? Source- Kaz.

This comment made me chuckle a little.

Just thinking back, lots of GT 'fans' proclaim GT3 was the best of the series. It had the lowest car count, low track count, no aftermarket parts except wheels, couldn't paint your cars, no online, easy AI, arcade physics, was a full priced game on a new system (PS2) with less content than it's predecessor on the previous console (GT2) etc.

A lot of that is what's happening on GTS. Except we get actual new things this time like tracks and cars (even if lower than GT6), livery editor (the biggest request on these forums), custom races etc.

Yes, there's a lot of fanboys of GT on this site. It's a GT site! The title of the website is GTPLANET! Self explanatory on that one But in the same breath don't forget to mention there's a lot of detractors on this site. People are quick to label someone who supports GT, but rarely give credit where it's due. I said this a long time ago, a quote by Styles P on the song I'm black where he says "they focus on the negative attention, do something positive it never get mentioned". That's too true, not just on this site but all across life, the news, everything.

I say stay positive. It's ok to have a good out view on the game. Not everything has to be better than this game or that game. It's great that we have variety so if you like PCars or Forza or NFS or Assetto you can buy them and not GTS. But I guess it's cool to make fun of games you don't like. I used to do that, but now I don't feel like it's worth my time to crack on something someone else may enjoy. Don't think I'm trying to preach, just thought I'd share my thoughts!

 

[ImaRobot]

Just thinking back, lots of GT 'fans' proclaim GT3 was the best of the series. It had the lowest car count, low track count, no aftermarket parts except wheels, couldn't paint your cars, no online, easy AI, arcade physics, was a full priced game on a new system (PS2) with less content than it's predecessor on the previous console (GT2) etc.

Which makes the statements against Forza, and the general lack of them for GTS, all the more interesting.

Yes, there's a lot of fanboys of GT on this site. It's a GT site! The title of the website is GTPLANET! Self explanatory on that one But in the same breath don't forget to mention there's a lot of detractors on this site. People are quick to label someone who supports GT, but rarely give credit where it's due. I said this a long time ago, a quote by Styles P on the song I'm black where he says "they focus on the negative attention, do something positive it never get mentioned". That's too true, not just on this site but all across life, the news, everything.

The site being called GTPlanet doesn't expand much on the discussion we're talking about. There was an outcry for one, and not so much for the other, that's all that is being noted here. However, that quote you posted is just as relevant for you as anyone else, as you seem to only focus on the negative aspects of the post from these "detractors" and then proceed to put a label on them, and quickly at that.

I say stay positive. It's ok to have a good out view on the game. Not everything has to be better than this game or that game. It's great that we have variety so if you like PCars or Forza or NFS or Assetto you can buy them and not GTS. But I guess it's cool to make fun of games you don't like. I used to do that, but now I don't feel like it's worth my time to crack on something someone else may enjoy. Don't think I'm trying to preach, just thought I'd share my thoughts!

Every developer aims to be the best at what they're doing, so why not compare aspects of games that aren't as great as others? It's great to discuss, negatives and positives. No one is making fun of games, so it's your own fault for seeing it that way, as if we're picking on a close friend of yours. It's just odd how you say it's not worth your time discussing games in such a way, but what you do do is come in to post a lengthy post about the actual people posting instead. You're just as much into it, doing it that way.

 

[Zlork]

It'll just have Kaz's face on the side, thumbs up.

Don't laugh. I will be able to buy a PS4 with Kaz's face. He is my idol !

It's a Sony bundle, you can bet your house it will be ugly

It's true that Sony have a lot of problem to make nice livery for PS4. But they're progressing .... The PS4 Destiny 2 Edition isn't bad for example.

This comment made me chuckle a little.

Just thinking back, lots of GT 'fans' proclaim GT3 was the best of the series. It had the lowest car count, low track count, no aftermarket parts except wheels, couldn't paint your cars, no online, easy AI, arcade physics, was a full priced game on a new system (PS2) with less content than it's predecessor on the previous console (GT2) etc.

A lot of that is what's happening on GTS. Except we get actual new things this time like tracks and cars (even if lower than GT6), livery editor (the biggest request on these forums), custom races etc.

Yes, there's a lot of fanboys of GT on this site. It's a GT site! The title of the website is GTPLANET! Self explanatory on that one But in the same breath don't forget to mention there's a lot of detractors on this site. People are quick to label someone who supports GT, but rarely give credit where it's due. I said this a long time ago, a quote by Styles P on the song I'm black where he says "they focus on the negative attention, do something positive it never get mentioned". That's too true, not just on this site but all across life, the news, everything.

I say stay positive. It's ok to have a good out view on the game. Not everything has to be better than this game or that game. It's great that we have variety so if you like PCars or Forza or NFS or Assetto you can buy them and not GTS. But I guess it's cool to make fun of games you don't like. I used to do that, but now I don't feel like it's worth my time to crack on something someone else may enjoy. Don't think I'm trying to preach, just thought I'd share my thoughts!

I love you so much ! 👍

 

[queleuleu]

@trustjab GT3 is a 2001 game and that change a lot of things. In 2017, we expect much more from a first party dev. I'm playing GT3 lately and I can tell you there is not a single track that I don't love in this game (maybe not Complex String and obviously Test Course). When I look at the GTSport track list, Tokyo Expressway isn't Tokyo R246, Fisherman's Ranch isn't Tahiti Maze and Dragon Tail isn't Grand Valley. The same for the car list, much more diversity in GT3.

 

[jm79]

@trustjab GT3 is a 2001 game and that change a lot of things. In 2017, we expect much more from a first party dev. I'm playing GT3 lately and I can tell you there is not a single track that I don't love in this game (maybe not Complex String and obviously Test Course). When I look at the GTSport track list, Tokyo Expressway isn't Tokyo R246, Fisherman's Ranch isn't Tahiti Maze and Dragon Tail isn't Grand Valley. The same for the car list, much more diversity in GT3.

Why do we expect more from a 1st party dev in 2017? Genuinely don't understand this concept.

A game doesn't have to include tonnes of content to be compelling. As for the tracks, well that's your opinion of course, but maybe you would like them more after playing the game for a bit? Who knows.

 

[trustjab]

You don't have to look any further than this page to see people making fun of or praising games. People do it to Forza, to GT, to any game you can think of. If that's what you wanna do that's cool. I just think it's a waste of time repeating the same things over and over again positive or negative. There's a point where it becomes more about redundant argumentative showmanship and not discussion. I understand it being 2017 has something to do with expecting more. Doesn't change my example that GT3 still came out AFTER GT2 and had 'less'. I'm sure some back then thought the same things about GT3 being a 'smaller' game than GT2 was. I recall some of my friends saying "it's the year 2000" or "it's on the PS2" and having huge expectations about a big game but that didn't happen until GT4. Back then we didn't have a lot of forums and we relied more on "word on the street" and reading game magazines. So maybe the reaction was less than what we see here. The point is, GT3 became a classic. And when all is said and done, I feel like every GT has become a classic. I miss GT5's and GT6's versions of track maker. I miss the new tracks in GT5 like it's version of Rome and London and Madrid and yes, even some versions of Cape Ring. They were new and now are classic imo. I think when GTS is older, we could be saying the same thing for tracks like Tokyo Expressway and especially Dragon Trail and feel like thanks to GTS for introducing this bad ass livery editor!

 

[ImaRobot]

You don't have to look any further than this page to see people making fun of or praising games. People do it to Forza, to GT, to any game you can think of.

That is true, someone did make a snide comment against GT. However, the point is very much valid when context is added to it.

If that's what you wanna do that's cool. I just think it's a waste of time repeating the same things over and over again positive or negative.

You keep saying that, but you very much come in to repeat the same thing every time you encounter a discussion where someone is talking negatively about GT. I don't think it's as much a waste of time as you think it is, otherwise you wouldn't keep insisting on this point of view. Yes, it happens, so I'm not sure why it's necessary to keep acknowledging the fact, but also go against it at the very same time.

The way you go about things very much lines up exactly with what that quote is talking about. You prefer to see the negatives of the people in question, yet the vast majority of them have actually posted things they've liked about the game as well.

There's a point where it becomes more about redundant argumentative showmanship and not discussion.

That's usually at the last leg of the discussion, not the beginning, from what I notice. It's likely not as redundant as you coming in to say the same thing every time.

I understand it being 2017 has something to do with expecting more. Doesn't change my example that GT3 still came out AFTER GT2 and had 'less'. I'm sure some back then thought the same things about GT3 being a 'smaller' game than GT2 was. I recall some of my friends saying "it's the year 2000" or "it's on the PS2" and having huge expectations about a big game but that didn't happen until GT4.

My opinion is that the amount of cars is just fine, I have no issue with it. I played Forza 5 and got around just fine, so this time is no different. I've experienced cut in content between iterations, and didn't feel short changed. they where still very good games. However, that aspect has little to do with the discussion about the fact that the things that Forza got so much flack for, seems to be generally ignored when it's come to happening with GT. It's neither here nor there, but it's interesting.

 

[Zlork]

Why do we expect more from a 1st party dev in 2017? Genuinely don't understand this concept.

A game doesn't have to include tonnes of content to be compelling. As for the tracks, well that's your opinion of course, but maybe you would like them more after playing the game for a bit? Who knows.

Personally, I loved so much Dragon Trails and Tokyo Expressway - and the other variation seems even more interesting -. These two tracks are really my favorites.

Blue Moon Bay, I also liked it. I don't know why but it reminds me Daytona USA, the arcade game. The Rally tracks are superb, especially Sardegna and Colorado Springs. And I'm looking forward to discovering the circuit of Alsace, in France which is my country. In short, I repeat myself, but i find track list exciting !

 

[trustjab]

That is true, someone did make a snide comment against GT. However, the point is very much valid when context is added to it.


You keep saying that, but you very much come in to repeat the same thing every time you encounter a discussion where someone is talking negatively about GT. I don't think it's as much a waste of time as you think it is, otherwise you wouldn't keep insisting on this point of view. Yes, it happens, so I'm not sure why it's necessary to keep acknowledging the fact, but also go against it at the very same time.

The way you go about things very much lines up exactly with what that quote is talking about. You prefer to see the negatives of the people in question, yet the vast majority of them have actually posted things they've liked about the game as well.

That's usually at the last leg of the discussion, not the beginning, from what I notice. It's likely not as redundant as you coming in to say the same thing every time.


My opinion is that the amount of cars is just fine, I have no issue with it. I played Forza 5 and got around just fine, so this time is no different. I've experienced cut in content between iterations, and didn't feel short changed. they where still very good games. However, that aspect has little to do with the discussion about the fact that the things that Forza got so much flack for, seems to be generally ignored when it's come to happening with GT. It's neither here nor there, but it's interesting.

If I went against every negative thing being said on GT, I'd have more posts on these forums than everyone combined.

If I repeated the same thing, I noted that. I even said it in my post that I quoted a song by Styles P before.

What I see from your post is that you feel like you need to defend your position on pointing out mostly negatives. You leave out that I said if that's what you wanna do it's your right and it's on your time (but I feel like it's a waste of it). And you also leave out I said it seems like a waste of time to go back and forth with the same positives and negatives about the game. That's not what you're saying...

Ties in with this snippet from your reply-

The way you go about things very much lines up exactly with what that quote is talking about. You prefer to see the negatives of the people in question, yet the vast majority of them have actually posted things they've liked about the game as well.

I made it clear in my post that people post positively and negatively about this game and other games. So you're not progressing the conversation at all, you're just repeating the same argumentative tone and only focusing on me saying that 'people talk bad about GT'. Even though I said they do both. So your post is basically proving my point, it's not proving that I'm countering my point. The quote is saying that people only focus on the negative things you do and never mention anything positive. Fits with what you just concluded from my comment.

 

[Marky264]

If this is a GT Sport Themed PS4 Pro Bundle... After shelling out for a PS4 Pro recently... (2 Months) I would for sure go for this Bundle. I'm a Sucker for GT Related stuff. I have the PDP Faceplate for My PS3 Slim & I love It. If It's designed as well as this then I may snap as I honestly hate the Black Texture feel of the Pro (also when I bought It brand new there was an annoying white line on top looks like a manufacturer defect so It bothers me) xD

 

[ImaRobot]

If I went against every negative thing being said on GT, I'd have more posts on these forums than everyone combined.

Ok, but again, that's neither here nor there. We are specifically talking about aspects of Forza 5's release, and how dogged it got in comparison to GT, when they are doing something extremely similar. It's an interesting thing to see.

If I repeated the same thing, I noted that. I even said it in my post that I quoted a song by Styles P before.

Sure you did, but that doesn't go against the point. You keep saying that it's redundant and a waste of time, yet here you are repeating yourself anyways. It happens, let them discuss, you don't need to repeatedly tell the people that are discussing that they can discuss. I'm sure everyone's aware of that. It seems like you've done that in just about any discussion you come across that is heated.

What I see from your post is that you feel like you need to defend your position on pointing out mostly negatives. You leave out that I said if that's what you wanna do it's your right and it's on your time (but I feel like it's a waste of it). And you also leave out I said it seems like a waste of time to go back and forth with the same positives and negatives about the game. That's not what you're saying...

I don't need to defend my posts, I'm simply replying to a person that brought himself into a discussion. My negatives have been the career mode, and customization. That I've posted in-depth about it doesn't mean I've mainly posted negatives, that's just all you choose to focus on, and that's just because you get drawn to the discussion we're in because of the negatives being posted. My positives are Photomodes and the scapes, as well as the Livery editor. So how is that mostly negatives? However, it all just seems very contradicting that you keep saying it's a waste of time, but here you are, repeating it over and over throughout many threads, where discussions like these take place, how you think it's a waste of time. What I am saying, since you've missed it, is that you're being accidentally contradicting, or purposely hypocritical.

I made it clear in my post that people post positively and negatively about this game and other games. So you're not progressing the conversation at all, you're just repeating the same argumentative tone and only focusing on me saying that 'people talk bad about GT'. Even though I said they do both.

Yes, but there's no confusion that you came into the thread focusing purely on the negatives and only that at first.

People are quick to label someone who supports GT, but rarely give credit where it's due.

a quote by Styles P on the song I'm black where he says "they focus on the negative attention, do something positive it never get mentioned"

But I guess it's cool to make fun of games you don't like.

It's not hard to make the connection on where your focus was, even though you did actually insert "positives" into the next post. I am progressing the conversation just as much as you are. You just don't like where it's progressing. You then claimed that discussions are about showmanship, rather than discussing, however that usually only happens on the last leg of that discussions life, when one more multiple people don't feel like taking on what the others have said. You state it's a waste of time and redundant, if that's how you feel I have no idea how you can come into so many threads and say the exact same thing every time. I'm sure taking your own advice wouldn't be to hard if you're going to portray it to other people.

There was nothing positive in your statement, all you have posted is how you think these discussions are a waste of time, no matter what side you're on. Either way, not one person has to acknowledge a positive just to post a negative, so your insistence on that means very little. I post my negatives and positives in different area's, they don't all need to be jumbled in the same post every single time. But hey, look at that, I even acknowledge a positive, that you seemed to completely ignore to focus on the negative aspect of my post.

The quote is saying that people only focus on the negative things you do and never mention anything positive. Fits with what you just concluded from my comment.

It's ironic that you don't see how hypocritical and contradictory you're being with statements like these.

 

[ImaRobot]

dp

 

[PhaedrusSocrate]

@Marky264 That is a really beautiful Slim PS3 version with GT5 theme

 

[Marky264]

@Marky264 That is a really beautiful Slim PS3 version with GT5 theme

Really is the faceplate was a great option for those that could change the look quickly as It Just snaps onto your regular Slim, They also Released a "Racing Pack Edition" in Japan/Asia Territories only, Some felt the Blue was a little over kill but It's still on My Wish List till this day. Looks stunning as well.

EDIT 900th Post! Wooo

 

[jm79]

Really is the faceplate was a great option for those that could change the look quickly as It Just snaps onto your regular Slim, They also Released a "Racing Pack Edition" in Japan/Asia Territories only, Some felt the Blue was a little over kill but It's still on My Wish List till this day. Looks stunning as well.

EDIT 900th Post! Wooo

I think I prefer that blue one, very classy.
And it's Chelsea blue too haha (formal apologies to all other team's supporters)

 

[Johnnypenso]

Why do we expect more from a 1st party dev in 2017? Genuinely don't understand this concept.

A game doesn't have to include tonnes of content to be compelling. As for the tracks, well that's your opinion of course, but maybe you would like them more after playing the game for a bit? Who knows.

Do you go into the local electronics store and expect to find a flip phone and computers with 486 cpu's? How is this software any different?

 

[jm79]

Do you go into the local electronics store and expect to find a flip phone and computers with 486 cpu's? How is a this software any different?

Ah hey JP! How's everything? Life treating you well?

 

[MisterOne77]

If this is a GT Sport Themed PS4 Pro Bundle... After shelling out for a PS4 Pro recently... (2 Months) I would for sure go for this Bundle. I'm a Sucker for GT Related stuff. I have the PDP Faceplate for My PS3 Slim & I love It. If It's designed as well as this then I may snap as I honestly hate the Black Texture feel of the Pro (also when I bought It brand new there was an annoying white line on top looks like a manufacturer defect so It bothers me) xD

Give me you PS3.

 

[trustjab]

Ok, but again, that's neither here nor there. We are specifically talking about aspects of Forza 5's release, and how dogged it got in comparison to GT, when they are doing something extremely similar. It's an interesting thing to see.


Sure you did, but that doesn't go against the point. You keep saying that it's redundant and a waste of time, yet here you are repeating yourself anyways. It happens, let them discuss, you don't need to repeatedly tell the people that are discussing that they can discuss. I'm sure everyone's aware of that. It seems like you've done that in just about any discussion you come across that is heated.


I don't need to defend my posts, I'm simply replying to a person that brought himself into a discussion. My negatives have been the career mode, and customization. That I've posted in-depth about it doesn't mean I've mainly posted negatives, that's just all you choose to focus on, and that's just because you get drawn to the discussion we're in because of the negatives being posted. My positives are Photomodes and the scapes, as well as the Livery editor. So how is that mostly negatives? However, it all just seems very contradicting that you keep saying it's a waste of time, but here you are, repeating it over and over throughout many threads, where discussions like these take place, how you think it's a waste of time. What I am saying, since you've missed it, is that you're being accidentally contradicting, or purposely hypocritical.


Yes, but there's no confusion that you came into the thread focusing purely on the negatives and only that at first.







It's not hard to make the connection on where your focus was, even though you did actually insert "positives" into the next post. I am progressing the conversation just as much as you are. You just don't like where it's progressing. You then claimed that discussions are about showmanship, rather than discussing, however that usually only happens on the last leg of that discussions life, when one more multiple people don't feel like taking on what the others have said. You state it's a waste of time and redundant, if that's how you feel I have no idea how you can come into so many threads and say the exact same thing every time. I'm sure taking your own advice wouldn't be to hard if you're going to portray it to other people.

There was nothing positive in your statement, all you have posted is how you think these discussions are a waste of time, no matter what side you're on. Either way, not one person has to acknowledge a positive just to post a negative, so your insistence on that means very little. I post my negatives and positives in different area's, they don't all need to be jumbled in the same post every single time. But hey, look at that, I even acknowledge a positive, that you seemed to completely ignore to focus on the negative aspect of my post.

It's ironic that you don't see how hypocritical and contradictory you're being with statements like these.

You either didn't read, or you skipped when I said this

You don't have to look any further than this page to see people making fun of or praising games. People do it to Forza, to GT, to any game you can think of. If that's what you wanna do that's cool. I just think it's a waste of time repeating the same things over and over again positive or negative.

What's really ironic is that someone who mostly observes negatives about the game and negatively comments on anyone having a positive outlook on it has the nerve to say I had nothing positive in my statement. The first line I said was positive about how I got a laugh out of the comment about GTS being a turd. And the last paragraph was as well.

First line-

This comment made me chuckle a little.

Last paragraph-

I say stay positive. It's ok to have a good out view on the game. Not everything has to be better than this game or that game. It's great that we have variety so if you like PCars or Forza or NFS or Assetto you can buy them and not GTS. But I guess it's cool to make fun of games you don't like. I used to do that, but now I don't feel like it's worth my time to crack on something someone else may enjoy. Don't think I'm trying to preach, just thought I'd share my thoughts!

 

[zzz_pt]

This comment made me chuckle a little.

Just thinking back, lots of GT 'fans' proclaim GT3 was the best of the series. It had the lowest car count, low track count, no aftermarket parts except wheels, couldn't paint your cars, no online, easy AI, arcade physics, was a full priced game on a new system (PS2) with less content than it's predecessor on the previous console (GT2) etc.

A lot of that is what's happening on GTS. Except we get actual new things this time like tracks and cars (even if lower than GT6), livery editor (the biggest request on these forums), custom races etc.

Yes, there's a lot of fanboys of GT on this site. It's a GT site! The title of the website is GTPLANET! Self explanatory on that one But in the same breath don't forget to mention there's a lot of detractors on this site. People are quick to label someone who supports GT, but rarely give credit where it's due. I said this a long time ago, a quote by Styles P on the song I'm black where he says "they focus on the negative attention, do something positive it never get mentioned". That's too true, not just on this site but all across life, the news, everything.

I say stay positive. It's ok to have a good out view on the game. Not everything has to be better than this game or that game. It's great that we have variety so if you like PCars or Forza or NFS or Assetto you can buy them and not GTS. But I guess it's cool to make fun of games you don't like. I used to do that, but now I don't feel like it's worth my time to crack on something someone else may enjoy. Don't think I'm trying to preach, just thought I'd share my thoughts!

I just had to comment on this.

When GT3came out (2001) there was no competition. If back then, Forza existed with 700 cars, PCars with 100+ tracks and AC with the superior level of simulation we would criticize GT3 a lot, I'm sure.

It happens that FM came out in 2005, AC in 2014 and PC in 2015.

Now, in 2017, the comparison with GT3 makes only sense within the context of PD, not in the context of the competitors in 2017. Because PC2 and FM7 will come out around the same time as GTS and they have, in fact, a lot more content.

FM5 came out a while back, with a small car list, but ready for the new generation. GTS is 4 years later to the party and lagging behind FM (around 500 cars short).

 

[jm79]

I just had to comment on this.

When GT3came out (2001) there was no competition. If back then, Forza existed with 700 cars, PCars with 100+ tracks and AC with the superior level of simulation we would criticize GT3 a lot, I'm sure.

It happens that FM came out in 2005, AC in 2014 and PC in 2015.

Now, in 2017, the comparison with GT3 makes only sense within the context of PD, not in the context of the competitors in 2017. Because PC2 and FM7 will come out around the same time as GTS and they have, in fact, a lot more content.

FM5 came out a while back, with a small car list, but ready for the new generation. GTS is 4 years later to the party and lagging behind FM (around 500 cars short).

All fair points, but what I slightly object to is this standardised criteria for what is essentially a creative endeavour.

I mean, if it's a good game, who cares? 150 cars is a lot of cars lol.

 

[zzz_pt]

All fair points, but what I slightly object to is this standardised criteria for what is essentially a creative endeavour.

I mean, if it's a good game, who cares? 150 cars is a lot of cars lol.

To say X game is a good game, isn't it better to have some competition to compare it against? I mean, I'm a great runner when I'm alone. But my quality would be more palpable and factual if I had some people running along side me.

PS: thinking about changing my signature to "I've preoreded GTS collector's edition", which I did, just so people don't think I don't like GTS.

 

[jm79]

To say X game is a good game, isn't it better to have some competition to compare it against? I mean, I'm a great runner when I'm alone. But my quality would be more palpable and factual if I had some people running along side me.

Don't want to deconstruct your analogy too much, because your opinion is valid and I actually partly agree, but running ability is objective, you're fast or you're not.

These categories of 'amount of stuff' or similar, are more subjective.

 

[zzz_pt]

Don't want to deconstruct your analogy too much, because your opinion is valid and I actually partly agree, but running ability is objective, you're fast or you're not.

These categories of 'amount of stuff' or similar, are more subjective.

Do you think number of cars, tracks, career mode length or dynamic weather are subjective?

Sounds and UI and UX design might be.

 

[jm79]

Do you think number of cars, tracks, career mode length or dynamic weather are subjective?

Sounds and UI and UX design might be.

Yep, subjective in the sense of whether they're important to me.
I've said it a bunch of times now, but GT5P was my most played Gran Turismo entry to date, a superb piece of streamlined and compelling game design that just happened to feature some driving. PD's best, in my humble opinion.

My preference is for that, rather than hundreds of cars I don't care about, and won't ever drive. Seemed like a waste of human resources. Which is strange, incidentally, because the Vision GT program gets a lot of flak for the same reason - that the staff could be spending their time making 'real' cars instead.

I guess the cliched moral of the story is, you can't please everyone.

 

[zzz_pt]

Yep, subjective in the sense of whether they're important to me.
I've said it a bunch of times now, but GT5P was my most played Gran Turismo entry to date, a superb piece of streamlined and compelling game design that just happened to feature some driving. PD's best, in my humble opinion.

My preference is for that, rather than hundreds of cars I don't care about, and won't ever drive. Seemed like a waste of human resources. Which is strange, incidentally, because the Vision GT program gets a lot of flak for the same reason - that the staff could be spending their time making 'real' cars instead.

I guess the cliched moral of the story is, you can't please everyone.

I agree no one can please everyone. But surely having more tracks and cars only has the chance to make the game better for more people. Even if there are players like you who only like a handful of cars and tracks, they can choose between more cars and tracks. Just to give the example of the cars and tracks.

I never collected all the cars in any GT game. I had maybe a few hundred and some duplicates with diff colors and tunes. But I'm sure other people drove the cars I didn't and raced on tracks I would avoid.

 

[jm79]

I agree no one can please everyone. But surely having more tracks and cars only has the chance to make the game better for more people. Even if there are players like you who only like a handful of cars and tracks, they can choose between more cars and tracks. Just to give the example of the cars and tracks.

I never collected all the cars in any GT game. I had maybe a few hundred and some duplicates with diff colors and tunes. But I'm sure other people drove the cars I didn't and raced on tracks I would avoid.

I think some of the variety thing can be addressed with the Livery Editor and whatnot perhaps? And choice is obviously good, but there will always come a point, without infinite people and money, where the amount of stuff a developer tries to stuff in negatively affects the quality of that content. This is a common complaint about GT5&6, no, what with the premium models controversy and all that? There has to be a balance somewhere.

Also, I like the idea of an episodic, 'game as a service' model for a driving game. It doesn't work for something like Hitman, which is narrative driven (at least in part) but when it's something as linear as a driving game, havng a 'core' of the game available with minimal content, then add bits regularly over time (coupled with the online competition stuff), it could be a decent method of maintaining a player's interest far longer than might otherwise be the case.

Won't happen with GT, probably ever, but it's an idea I'd like to see someone try, at least.

 

[trustjab]

I just had to comment on this.

When GT3came out (2001) there was no competition. If back then, Forza existed with 700 cars, PCars with 100+ tracks and AC with the superior level of simulation we would criticize GT3 a lot, I'm sure.

It happens that FM came out in 2005, AC in 2014 and PC in 2015.

Now, in 2017, the comparison with GT3 makes only sense within the context of PD, not in the context of the competitors in 2017. Because PC2 and FM7 will come out around the same time as GTS and they have, in fact, a lot more content.

FM5 came out a while back, with a small car list, but ready for the new generation. GTS is 4 years later to the party and lagging behind FM (around 500 cars short).

No competition? What about Ridge Racer V, Project Gotham Racing, Tokyo extreme racer, Burnout 2, Midnight Club, NFS Hot Pursuit 2, Auto Modelista (really cool game), Total Immersion racing (one my favs with those lmps), F1 2001/2002, Sega GT etc.? I think GT had more competition back then than it does now. I bet you could find games with more content than GT3 and ones with less but probably with better physics or this or that. I said it before (don't criticize on me on this) but GT doesn't need to be the best at everything. It never was.