Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[rono_thomas]

However it was to a high enough standard for it to be the number 1 racing title for esports for the last year.

Was it perfect? Nope, but neither were GT5 and 6, and nor from the beta is GTS.

Cant disagree with the figures, but best of the worst isn't a trophy that I would want.

Just to clarify we are talking PS4 stats?

 

[cutmeamango]

Cool. Get back to me when the PS4 is sitting at ~76-78 million at the end of this holiday season.

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I guess I can get back to you if you really want me to since forecast is 78mi shipped til FY2017 ends (end of march 2018).

But why should or would I?

So unless they are completely surprised, it won't keep up with the PS2 in the long run either.

But the italicized above are probably the reasons why PS4 won't reach its (PS2) lifetime sales. Stronger concurrents and slower cost reductions.

 

[Scaff]

Cant disagree with the figures, but best of the worst isn't a trophy that I would want.

Oh dear.

I've raced online on the GTS beta and PCars, I know which I would put my money on for offering the best online esports platform come the end of the year.

Just to clarify we are talking PS4 stats?

I'm talking across all platforms, as if GTS wants to target esports that's the field of competition it's got.

 

[Coiler]

Oh dear.

I've raced online on the GTS beta and PCars, I know which I would put my money on for offering the best online esports platform come the end of the year.


I'm talking across all platforms, as if GTS wants to target esports that's the field of competition it's got.

It's hard to not love 15mins of qualifying just to end up on the wall in the first corner

 

[rono_thomas]

I'm talking across all platforms, as if GTS wants to target esports

Respectively dissagree with you. GTS can only ever directly effect whatever platform it operates on, it can only ever have access to the target audience it targets.

For example It cant directly target racing PC esports other than tempting PC users to PS4, it can however become as attractive as possible by being the best esports racing sim for PS4 to enable this as a possibility. So comparing its esports slice cross platforms is pointless and will mean nothing to PS4 only users who play GTSport and nothing to PC only users who play pCars.

There is a grey area for users who use both. But being the best for their platform is the only goal to have.

Its the same mantra in sports car racing, you have to drive your car quicker than your rivals to win, its up to your opponents to drive quicker.

 

[Scaff]

Its hard to not love 15mins of qualifying just to end up on the wall in the first cornet

Ah, you played the Beta as well then!

Respectively dissagree with you. GTS can only ever directly effect whatever platform it operates on, it can only ever have access to the target audience it targets.

For example It cant directly target racing PC esports other than tempting PC users to PS4, it can however become as attractive as possible by being the best esports racing sim for PS4 to enable this as a possibility. So comparing its esports slice cross platforms is pointless and will mean nothing to PS4 only users who play GTSport and nothing to PC only users who play pCars.

There is a grey area for users who use both. But being the best fir their platform is the only goal to have.

Its the same mantra in sports car racing, you have to drive your car quicker than your rivals to win, its up to your opponents to drive quicker.

PD have claimed it's going to redefine Motorsports for the next 100 years, as such that would suggest a wide net.

It's also irrelevant what PD may claim to be targeting (and I've not seen them limit it in that regard), it's what they will be compared with that matters, and that's not going to have platform barriers to it.

 

[rono_thomas]

Ah, you played the Beta as well then!


PD have claimed it's going to redefine Motorsports for the next 100 years, as such that would suggest a wide net.

It's also irrelevant what PD may claim to be targeting (and I've not seen them limit it in that regard), it's what they will be compared with that matters, and that's not going to have platform barriers to it.

But still whatever they are compared to in whatever platform means nothing until they become the best for the PS4, if they become, can they become? Its fighting talk, an advertising gimmick. To PS4 users if its not better then its rivals then its failed, GTS can only be measured with its direct competitors.

 

[Soundtrack]

The PS4 has not finished its fourth year yet.

No but FY 2013 to 2016 are done and dusted and Sony's corporate paperworks are likely to provide the most reliable figures. The graph posted above suggests PS4 is constantly outperforming PS2 (with the exception of month 32 to 36). I find this a bit curious if you consider Sony will effectively need to push 10M+ units during FY2017 Q1 and Q2 (very unlikely) to just break even.

 

[Scaff]

But still whatever they are compared to in whatever platform means nothing until they become the best for the PS4, if they become, can they become? Its fighting talk, an advertising gimmick. To PS4 users if its not better then its rivals then its failed, GTS can only be measured with its direct competitors.

I disagree, GTS can be, and more importantly, will be measured across platforms.

That's always been the case and I certainly don't see it changing.

 

[PzR Slim]

But still whatever they are compared to in whatever platform means nothing until they become the best for the PS4, if they become, can they become? Its fighting talk, an advertising gimmick. To PS4 users if its not better then its rivals then its failed, GTS can only be measured with its direct competitors.

That's rubbish, it should and will be compared against all the other racers out there. Particularly when it comes to feature set. I own every console and a decent PC. I'm not constrained by platform and nobody else is unless they choose to be. To disregard other racing games because they or on another platform is nonsensical.

 

[Imari]

It's hard to not love 15mins of qualifying just to end up on the wall in the first corner

Welcome to motorsports.

 

[rono_thomas]

That's rubbish, it should and will be compared against all the other racers out there. Particularly when it comes to feature set. I own every console and a decent PC. I'm not constrained by platform and nobody else is unless they choose to be. To disregard other racing games because they or on another platform is nonsensical.

That is not what I am saying if its a sucess or not depends on how much of the pie it takes against its direct competitors in PS4, compare away but it wont mean anything if its sucessful on PS4.

If its better or worse than pCars / AC/ iracing etc on PC is irrelevant to most PS4 consumers.

 

[jm79]

I own every console and a decent PC. I'm not constrained by platform and nobody else is unless they choose to be. To disregard other racing games because they or on another platform is nonsensical.

Bit harsh. Perhaps some people can't afford all that kit. Not exactly a choice then, is it?

 

[another_jakhole]

That is not what I am saying if its a sucess or not depends on how much of the pie it takes against its direct competitors in PS4, compare away but it wont mean anything if its sucessful on PS4.

If its better or worse than pCars / AC/ iracing etc on PC is irrelevant to most PS4 consumers.

I know what you mean.

Bit harsh. Perhaps some people can't afford all that kit. Not exactly a choice then, is it?

Who said anything about being able to afford it? I assume they stole it. If not, I assume they were saying if you work paycheck to paycheck, it's your fault. Either way, I'm a loser and they're better than me.

But I've lived in more than one world.

 

[Northstar]

I assume they stole it. If not, I assume they were saying if you work paycheck to paycheck, it's your fault. Either way, I'm a loser and they're better than me.

But I've lived in more than one world.

You do know what happens when you assume don't you? You make an ass out of u and me.

Also, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, video games probably aren't the right hobby.

 

[PzR Slim]

That is not what I am saying if its a sucess or not depends on how much of the pie it takes against its direct competitors in PS4, compare away but it wont mean anything if its sucessful on PS4.

If its better or worse than pCars / AC/ iracing etc on PC is irrelevant to most PS4 consumers.

We weren't talking about it's success, we were talking about what it should be compared to. And if it's successful on PS4 or not is completely immaterial to it's comparison against other games. The Toyota Corolla is the best selling car ever made, does that automatically mean there is no comparison to the worlds hypercars because the Corolla has been such a success?

Bit harsh. Perhaps some people can't afford all that kit. Not exactly a choice then, is it?

I'm not saying they should be able to afford them all but that's no reason not to compare GTS against all racing games no matter what platform. I can't afford to buy a car over £30,000 does that mean all cars over £30,000 should not be in a comparison of which is best?

We are talking about comparing one game with another, that's all. It's very easy to do. Which looks better? Which has the most realistic sounds? Which games physics model more closely matches the real world? Which has the slicker UI? Which has the better car/track selection?

None of those questions are dependent on which platform the game running on. If there are benefits to certain platforms then they can be factored into the comparison. I don't understand the need to protect GTS from other games.

 

[Tornado]

You do know what happens when you assume don't you? You make an ass out of u and me.

Also, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, video games probably aren't the right hobby.

Better than RC cars though.

 

[Northstar]

Better than RC cars though.

You can buy a Traxxas RTR for as cheap as $120.

 

[PzR Slim]

Who said anything about being able to afford it? I assume they stole it. If not, I assume they were saying if you work paycheck to paycheck, it's your fault. Either way, I'm a loser and they're better than me.

But I've lived in more than one world.

I've lived in several worlds too. I make lifestyle choices to be able to afford to make the most of my hobby. I do without a lot as a result. My point was not to say 'I can afford all this', I apologise if it read that way. I was just pointing out that game comparisons should not be limited on a platform basis.

 

[rono_thomas]

We weren't talking about it's success, we were talking about what it should be compared to. And if it's successful on PS4 or not is completely immaterial to it's comparison against other games. The Toyota Corolla is the best selling car ever made, does that automatically mean there is no comparison to the worlds hypercars because the Corolla has been such a success?

We were this was my post you replied to

But still whatever they are compared to in whatever platform means nothing until they become the best for the PS4, if they become, can they become? Its fighting talk, an advertising gimmick. To PS4 users if its not better then its rivals then its failed, GTS can only be measured with its direct competitors.

And tried to clarify with

That is not what I am saying if its a sucess or not depends on how much of the pie it takes against its direct competitors in PS4, compare away but it wont mean anything if its sucessful on PS4.

If its better or worse than pCars / AC/ iracing etc on PC is irrelevant to most PS4 consumers.

so yes i was always talking about its sucess on the PS4 and how that is more important.

 

[marcvic]

Also, if you're living paycheck to paycheck, video games probably aren't the right hobby.

Or, you just have to be extremely thoughtful about what video games you buy. For instance right now, an XB360/PS3 + a healthy library of games can be had for under $200.

Just last year I purchased a Nintendo Wii, plus 15 games for under $120

 

[PzR Slim]

We were this was my post you replied to

Nope, it was you who brought success into it. Your first line to which I replied.

But still whatever they are compared to in whatever platform

So the conversation was originally about what it should be compared to and you then started talking about it's success. Any game can and should be compared to any other no matter which platform it is on. If you can't accept that then I'm not sure there is any point in continuing the discussion.

 

[jm79]

I was just pointing out that game comparisons should not be limited on a platform basis.

For you, yes, that makes a lot of sense. You own all the relevant platforms, that's why you think those comparisons are sensible, and maybe even required.

But i think you have to consider that for a person with one console, there are less necessary comparisons. It really matters very little how GTS compares with iracing, for example, to someone who only owns a PS4. It's interesting to read about iracing. But if I can only choose between two new racing games, then the comparison between just those two games is more relevant.

It's all relative, and each person's situation is different. I don't want to sound too obvious with this, but it's true.

 

[PzR Slim]

For you, yes, that makes a lot of sense. You own all the relevant platforms, that's why you think those comparisons are sensible, and maybe even required.

But i think you have to consider that for a person with one console, there are less necessary comparisons. It really matters very little how GTS compares with iracing, for example, to someone who only owns a PS4. It's interesting to read about iracing. But if I can only choose between two new racing games, then the comparison between just those two games is more relevant.

It's all relative, and each person's situation is different. I don't want to sound too obvious with this, but it's true.

Each persons situation does not come into it when you are comparing things as a whole. We are not here discussing which game is best based on one particular persons situation that would be impossible, which person would you choose? The vast majority of us will never be able to afford a hyper car, does that mean they should not enter the discussion when you are comparing which car is best?

When we compare anything we don't compare it from the position of the lowest common denominator. We compare things based on the merits of each thing. As an individual you are free to compare what you want based on your own circumstances. However, we are not an individual, we are community of like minded people and as a result for a correct comparison any game should be compared to every other game.

 

[rono_thomas]

Er no i have been saying the best for PS4 esports since the beginning of the conversation with scaff read:

Respectively dissagree with you. GTS can only ever directly effect whatever platform it operates on, it can only ever have access to the target audience it targets.

For example It cant directly target racing PC esports other than tempting PC users to PS4, it can however become as attractive as possible by being the best esports racing sim for PS4 to enable this as a possibility. So comparing its esports slice cross platforms is pointless and will mean nothing to PS4 only users who play GTSport and nothing to PC only users who play pCars.

There is a grey area for users who use both. But being the best for their platform is the only goal to have.

Its the same mantra in sports car racing, you have to drive your car quicker than your rivals to win, its up to your opponents to drive quicker.

But still whatever they are compared to in whatever platform means nothing until they become the best for the PS4, if they become, can they become? Its fighting talk, an advertising gimmick. To PS4 users if its not better then its rivals then its failed, GTS can only be measured with its direct competitors.

That is not what I am saying if its a sucess or not depends on how much of the pie it takes against its direct competitors in PS4, compare away but it wont mean anything if its sucessful on PS4.

If its better or worse than pCars / AC/ iracing etc on PC is irrelevant to most PS4 consumers.

Edit : Again i never said it shouldnt be compared i said it was pointless in terms if its sucess first post if you dont fancy reading

 

[PzR Slim]

Er no i have been saying the best for PS4 esports since the beginning of the conversation with scaff read:
Edit : Again i never said it shouldnt be compared i said it was pointless in terms if its sucess first post if you dont fancy reading

I'm not hear to discuss it's success. I'm hear to discuss GTS and how it compares to it's competitors. So as I said above, absolutely pointless to keep discussing it with you.

 

[rono_thomas]

I'm not hear to discuss it's success. I'm hear to discuss GTS and how it compares to it's competitors. So as I said above, absolutely pointless to keep discussing it with you.

Then why coment on a post of mine? If you dont want to hear my opinion and begin a post by calling my opinion rubbish when your completely off the mark then mine and your time would not have been wasted.

 

[PzR Slim]

Then why coment on a post of mine? If you dont want to hear my opinion and begin a post by calling my opinion rubbish when your completely off the mark then mine and your time would not have been wasted.

Because at that time I didn't realise you had such stringent rules about what you are prepared to discuss. You are only interested in PS4. I now know that so wont trouble you further.

 

[rono_thomas]

Because at that time I didn't realise you had such stringent rules about what you are prepared to discuss. You are only interested in PS4. I now know that so wont trouble you further.

Your off the mark again if youd like me to try to explain again then please ask.

 

[jm79]

"We are not an individual, we are community of like minded people."

Sounds like a quote from the communist manifesto .

Seriously though, it's totally legit for you to want to compare it to everything. I just think you're not correct in stating everyone should do this.

It's all relative.

Also, this minor point of principle is being laboured somewhat (again, guilty as charged). I'll stop now